I largely different with Bruce, and encourage the development of Bibliographic
applications that can effectively interact with OpenOffice. I differ from
Bruce in not yet being fully convinced that we should abandon the idea of
building a native integrated bibliographic facility in to OpenOffice.
However, whilst some Bibliographic enhancements ARE scheduled for OpenOffice
version 3. ( http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Features ). There is
no date set for this release, although I would hazard a guess for mid to late
2008. Also there is as yet no decision as to the Bibliographic features that
would be included in that release. We know that the Writer development team
has rather limited development resources and as a OOo Project. Thus third
solution for a usable bibliographic facility now or in the near future.
Currently there are complexities involved with Zotero and other 3rd party
bibliographic apps in sharing documents and the related bibliographic data,
which would be greatly reduced with an integrated bibliographic facility.
Maybe applications like Zotero will solve these problems (they are being
discussed on the Zotero development wiki) and if they can solve them then my
desire for an integrated bibliographic application may well be weakened.
Regarding deprecate the existing citation and bib support ASAP, I have never
considered it usable, and would be happy to see it gone.
A list member recently pointed out to me that my first enhancement request
that started this project #5038, was filed 1999 days ago by yours truly .
and that it makes me wonder if we'll see any working implementation before I
retire (in about 15 years). I have not yet given up hope.
I urge all the list members to to contact any skilled developers that they
know who may be interesting in working on this project. A couple of skilled
and committed programmers could really accelerate this project. Otherwise we
completely are at the mercy of the priorities and limitations of the SUN
Writer development team.
regards
david
On Wed, 5 Dec 2007, Bruce D'Arcus wrote:
This brings up something I've been thinking about for awhile. I'm not
sure if David or others agree with me on this, but here's my thinking:
The OOo bibliographic project started with the idea to replace the
integrated bibliographic component with something much better, but
still developed within the framework of OOo.
For a variety of reasons, I think this is the wrong way to go. One of
those reasons is that the Zotero project has pretty much done what I'd
hope to achieve with OOoBib:
1) a rich data model and nice UI
2) good import/export
3) use of the CSL citation styling language
4) integration iwith Word and OOo
... and so, finally a good, cross-platform application that is
suitable for a wide range of fields, including the social sciences and
humanities (where traditional tools often fail). I'm currently using
it for an article manuscript.
I'd like to see this project, then, work on enhancing the integration
of tools like Zotero and JabRef with OOo. I'd encourage people, for
example, to get their hands dirty with testing, with trying to offer
support on places like the Zotero forums, and where possible to spend
time figuring out the code so that we can ensure excellent support
long-term, enhancements, and so forth.
I'd ideally like to use this work to converge on an enhanced citation
API in OOo that allows for standardized integration (and encoding in
ODF 1.2)
I'd also like to see other projects pick up CSL, but that's a somewhat
separate issue.
So I'm basically suggesting a shift in focus designed to get stuff
working NOW, and enhance as we go.
Thoughts?
Bruce
PS - Oh, and I think we should urge Sun deprecate the existing
citation and bib support ASAP.
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