[dev-biblio] RE: document/collection types

2007-07-30 Thread John P. McCaskey
   Book # do we need a separate class for edited books?

In years of using EndNote, I solved many problems by having two distinct
types, Book and Edited Book (= Edited book of essays by multiple authors,
not just a book with an editor). I don't now remember all the difficulties,
only that before I had a clear distinction, life was difficult and
afterwards life was good. I don't think the problems was limitations of
EndNote.

I think the basic semantic difference was that in one the author is primary.
The book is presented with the author as the person primarily responsible.
The book may have had an editor, translator, etc. but they are secondary. In
the second, the editor is the primarily responsible person, even though
there may be several authors.

Maybe you can have just one category, but then you need a flag saying
whether author or editor is primary. I vote for having two categories an
Authored Book (maybe just called Book, but I think Authored Book is better)
and an Edited Book, even though an Authored Book can have editors and an
Edited Book can have authors.

John

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Re: [Fwd: Re: [dev-biblio] document/collection types]

2007-07-30 Thread Bruce D'Arcus

Matthias Steffens wrote:

My tendency has been to think in terms like libraries think; 
more about the physical form. So a book is always a document, 
whether it includes separate items or not.



Good for me.


I agree that clearly defining the words collection and container
is important. The lack of a clear definition caused quite some
confusion when discussing this stuff at the Zotero forums:


Yeah, I know.

Let's try this. I'm going to try to link this into the FRBR world view.

Document: a written, transcribed, or recorded manifestation of a work 
typically intended to communicate some intellectual or artistic 
information or ideas.


Collection: a collection of documents

By this definition, an edited book or a proceeding both qualify as 
documents because those objects are themselves manifestations. OTOH, I 
think one could say they also qualify as collections because they each 
contain separate documents (unlike, say, an authored book, which only 
contains sub-documents parts like chapters).


We could say, then, that edited books and proceedings are both 
subclasses of a union of Document and Collection. E.g. they are neither 
one nor the other, but both.


Am not sure this actually helps or simply confuses things more!

Bruce

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