Re: [dev-biblio] My Introduction

2008-09-27 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 12:57 AM, dnw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The most useful activity you could do at this time would be to work with the Zotero team to fix the Zotero plugin/ extension for OpenOffice version 3. FYI, the Zotero devs have been working on a new version of the plug-in to cover

[dev-biblio] reminder on Zotero, OOo 3.0

2008-06-28 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
Just a reminder to any developers out their that might want to contribute to enhancing bibliographic support in OOo, there's still work to be done by somebody in upgrading Zotero's OOo integration to support OOo 3.0, including the new Mac port. Am really not even sure what's involved in doing

[dev-biblio] OOo 3.0 and Zotero

2008-06-28 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
Anyone have any ideas about the bug outlined here? http://forums.zotero.org/discussion/3349/openoffice-30-macro-error/ TIA, Bruce - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [dev-biblio] [Fwd: [RFC] RDF metadata API draft]

2008-03-19 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 7:39 AM, Michael Stahl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... Am *really* not sure about this, but I wonder if it would make sense to consider the document itself a graph? hmmm, interesting idea. If I understand the RDF model correctly, then a document would have a

[dev-biblio] call for volunteers: Zotero plug-in

2008-01-05 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
I asked Dan Stillman at the Zotero project if there was anything we could do here to do to help with development, maintenance, or support of the Zotero plug-in for OOo. His answer was: As for maintenance and support, we'd certainly appreciate any development work from the OOo project in keeping

[dev-biblio] Re: [users-biblio] JabRef - OpenOffice integration

2007-12-07 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree that the bibliographic functionning need not be within OpenOffice, however just to remind you : Zotero is not the only working example out there , Bibus integrates nicely with OO and Word without using the OO integrated database. True enough. But to be

Re: [dev-biblio] Re: [users-biblio] JabRef - OpenOffice integration

2007-12-05 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Dec 5, 2007 7:55 PM, David Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Currently there are complexities involved with Zotero and other 3rd party bibliographic apps in sharing documents and the related bibliographic data, which would be greatly reduced with an integrated bibliographic facility. Well,

[dev-biblio] Re: [users-biblio] JabRef - OpenOffice integration

2007-12-04 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Dec 4, 2007 2:42 PM, Morten Omholt Alver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been working on a plugin for integrating JabRef better with OpenOffice.org via the UNO interface (to clarify: it's a plugin for JabRef - which will support plugins from the next version). It's far from finished, but

Re: [dev-biblio] new endnote x1 support for odt files?

2007-11-03 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
Matt Price wrote: ... my main interest in broaching the subject is to help my colleagues, who all use endnote, to move to openoffice. Hmm ... I guess that depends. Do your colleagues express interest in moving away from Word? If yes, what kinds of sacrifices are they willing to make to

Re: [dev-biblio] new endnote x1 support for odt files?

2007-11-02 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
Matt Price wrote: does anyone know more about this? ... * Formatting support for Open Document Type (ODT) files using the Format Paper command No, but I'd speculate that the support is something like what you'd get with RTF. E.g. not what you'd get with MS Word, or using

Re: [dev-biblio] new endnote x1 support for odt files?

2007-11-02 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On 11/2/07, Matthew Yates [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... As I said, I think this is great. My graduate students use MS Word and EndNote, while I use Openoffice.org on Linux for most things. Since this appears to work (almost) flawlessly in wine, I think I may be able to switch my group over

[dev-biblio] zotero support

2007-08-16 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
For those interested in using Zotero with OOo, see: http://www.zotero.org/documentation/word_processor_integration The goal of the support last I heard (I don't have time to test the latest version) is that it not only be equivalent to the MS Word support, but that it be possible to

Re: [Fwd: Re: [dev-biblio] document/collection types]

2007-07-30 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
Matthias Steffens wrote: My tendency has been to think in terms like libraries think; more about the physical form. So a book is always a document, whether it includes separate items or not. Good for me. I agree that clearly defining the words collection and container is important. The

Re: [dev-biblio] Some Considerations for Bibliographic Management

2007-06-16 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Jun 15, 2007, at 7:40 PM, David Wilson wrote: As I understand them, the current proposals for the OOo Bib Project would allow for the selection of and retention of disparate fonts and font sizes within citation and citation prefixes and suffixes. We've not settled on the precise

[dev-biblio] zotero and OOo

2007-05-08 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
An update from the Zotero guys about work (by Ian Laurenson) on integrating Zotero with OOo. http://forums.zotero.org/discussion/804/word-plugin-status-update Bruce - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional

[dev-biblio] feedback needed on citation formatting

2007-03-20 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
It seems we're (finally!) about wrapped up with the ODF metadata work on which we'll base the new citation support. To make a long story short, we've realized that likely the easiest way to proceed with the details of formatting is that Writer has an API which knows how to track citations,

Re: [dev-biblio] feedback needed on citation formatting

2007-03-20 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Mar 20, 2007, at 7:12 PM, David Wilson wrote: A couple of questions come to mind- 1. Locator formatting (page numbers etc). If CiteProc is handling the locator formatting I would guess that intend that the RDF in package would look like: b:Book rdf:about=urn:isbn:34982376:123-128#An

Re: [dev-biblio] feedback needed on citation formatting

2007-03-20 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Mar 20, 2007, at 10:19 PM, David Wilson wrote: I am leaning towards not supporting traditional flags of this sort, with the idea that they're more trouble than they're worth, for both author and programmer. I am not sure what you mean precisely. Do you mean 'by not supporting traditional

[dev-biblio] Re: [sw-discussion] Re: zotero and OOo

2007-02-12 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
The dbus vs. uno stuff is beyond me, but ... On Feb 12, 2007, at 3:54 PM, Mathias Bauer wrote: Currently we are talking about Zotero. They are using SOAP and this is fine for both MSOffice and OOo as well. And I don't see a reason that KOffice can't use it that way. So I would go for it. SOAP

Re: [dev-biblio] Fwd: [sw-discussion] Re: [dev-biblio] Re: [sw-discussion] Re: zotero and OOo

2007-02-11 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Feb 10, 2007, at 9:20 PM, David Wilson wrote: I put together my ideas about possible Citeproc - Writer Interaction at http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Citeproc_Writer_Interaction I think we might need to pull back and get more abstract to address Mathias' question? It seems

[dev-biblio] Fwd: [office] data templating (and citations)

2007-02-01 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
Germany - ham02 - Hamburg [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: February 1, 2007 8:50:49 AM EST To: Bruce D'Arcus [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: office Office [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [office] data templating (and citations) Hi Bruce, Bruce D'Arcus wrote: Hi Michael, On Feb 1, 2007, at 5:45 AM, Michael Brauer

Re: [dev-biblio] zotero and OOo

2007-01-31 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Jan 31, 2007, at 12:11 PM, Herbert Snorrason wrote: On 31.1.2007, at 17:03, Bruce D'Arcus wrote: I still think it'd be easier if we could have a standard API on the word-processor end (Word, Writer, KWord, etc.) so that this is easier to do in a standard way. Hopefully we can get

Re: [dev-biblio] Fwd: [Bibdesk-users] Long author name

2007-01-30 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On 1/29/07, James Howison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just a use-case that might be useful for considering the range of formatting requirements for the in-page citation. Jurabib offers a way to have an abbreviation of the full author show up in author-year type styles. Can CSL handle that? No,

Re: [dev-biblio] important question

2007-01-30 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On 1/30/07, Leonard Mada [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Instead of having flags for every citation field, I suggested: - have styles for citations - AND allow more than one citation styles in the same document -- styles are set globally (therefore, IF one decides to change a style, he changes all

Re: [dev-biblio] important question

2007-01-30 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Jan 30, 2007, at 2:52 PM, Leonard Mada wrote: Bruce D'Arcus wrote: But this all can get very tricky to deal with, particularly when you consider things like substitution logic (what happens when there's no author?), first/subsequent citations, and so forth. I worry how adding

Re: [dev-biblio] important question

2007-01-28 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Jan 28, 2007, at 3:43 PM, Matthias Basler wrote: James Howison wrote: From time to time users are going to want to drop out of the style defined ways of citing and use the flags themselves (ie I like this style in general, but I want a comma instead of a semi-colon separating the

Re: [dev-biblio] important question

2007-01-28 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Jan 28, 2007, at 3:55 PM, Bruce D'Arcus wrote: I, for example, don't see why we should allow users to change the delimiter for a citation per James' example above. Ahem, just to be clear, I mean *locally.* E.g. I don't see why the global configuration of a style says the citation should

Re: [dev-biblio] important question

2007-01-28 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Jan 28, 2007, at 5:45 PM, Gannon Dick wrote: As I see it, there are several reasons to keep locale. None are related to computer processing, but rather Library Science. Locale for the source metadata, sure, but I'm still unclear why the citation field itself needs it. Bruce

Re: [dev-biblio] smarttags in OOo

2007-01-27 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
Hi CPH, On Jan 27, 2007, at 8:02 AM, CPHennessy wrote: I'm not sure if it makes sense but would the smarttags feature which was recently added be useful to develope the citation component ? Yeah, maybe. A few months ago I talked to the guys who were working on this about our work and the

Re: [dev-biblio] important question

2007-01-27 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
Well, here's the citation field switches in Microsoft's Open XML format, which we have to be able to convert in and out of: \l The text in this switch's field-argument specifies the locale which shall be used in conjunction with the specified bibliographic style to format the citation in

[dev-biblio] important question

2007-01-24 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
Hi, I'm making some minor changes to the ODF citation field that I hope will be added soon. One change I want to make is to add control to the local styling attribute. This is the flag that will say, for example, suppress author, so that you get (1999) instead of (Doe, 1999). My question

Re: [dev-biblio] Re: Smart Tags

2006-11-25 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Nov 25, 2006, at 6:16 AM, Gannon Dick wrote: As I envision it, the RUST tag would exist as ad hoc protection for PII (Personal Identifying Information). So, the easier it is to specify a text block to be rusted the better. I don't think there's any need for some specific new element for

Re: [dev-biblio] ODF and xsd schema

2006-10-31 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Oct 31, 2006, at 6:24 PM, Gannon Dick wrote: a) ODF is authored in RELAX NG, which has far more power to validate this sort of stuff than XSD. The Dublin Core is authored in XSD or RDF, and both namespaces are controlled by the W3C. I don't want to produce RELAX NG schema for Dublin Core

Re: [dev-biblio] ODF and xsd schema

2006-10-29 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Oct 29, 2006, at 4:51 PM, Gannon Dick wrote: With this validation, I was able to solve at least one of the problems with a generic API for meta data. The validation constrains the XML to a set of core DC elements (dc:title, dc:subject ...[6, I think]) and constrains the User Defined Name

Re: [dev-biblio] ODF and xsd schema

2006-10-27 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Oct 27, 2006, at 4:51 AM, juskenabble wrote: Does anybody know where to find a specific xsd schema, which the open document format part context.xml must comply ? I have been searching for quite a long time, but I havent found anything. There is none; it's RELAX NG. Available from here:

Re: [dev-biblio] Re: [sw-discussion] Re: [dev-biblio] Re: [sw-discussion] generic structured fields, citations

2006-10-24 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On 10/24/06, Jakob Lechner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2006-10-23 at 10:58 -0400, Bruce D'Arcus wrote: This is my opinion, but I think metadata in ODF should conform to a common model. Otherwise, we end up with little islands of content that are intelligible without dedicated code. I

[dev-biblio] default db should be empty

2006-10-23 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
From Dan Chudnov (library hacker): http://onebiglibrary.net/story/open-office-rant-of-the-day Does anybody know why OpenOffice ships with a bibliography database that's *already* filled out with a bunch of records? Do they assume we all want to write papers about OpenOffice? And why, please

[dev-biblio] Re: [sw-discussion] default db should be empty

2006-10-23 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Oct 23, 2006, at 1:18 PM, Andre Schnabel wrote: There is really no need to rand a prefilled database. You could use this databes to by some really usefull books about OOo that would have explained how to delete those records. Thanks for the explanation, but I hope you're joking here.

Re: [dev-biblio] For your reading pleasure ...

2006-10-23 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On 10/23/06, David Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Organisations could add macros to the document save process to force you to add text. But I have see the results of such policies - long lists of swear words in the catalogues and lots of aaa, bbb, acd etc. You can force people to type it is

Re: [dev-biblio] For your reading pleasure ...

2006-10-22 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On 10/22/06, Gannon Dick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there a way to prioritize RDF elements or are they all peers? In RDF, you just have subject-predicate-object statements. So they are indeed all peers. The way to encourage certain expectations about those statements, it seems to me, is to

Re: [dev-biblio] For your reading pleasure ...

2006-10-20 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On 10/20/06, Gannon Dick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a slightly different, but I think more practical, approach to Meta Data in ODF documents. Different and more practical than what? I'm not able to access the documents in any case. Bruce

Re: [dev-biblio] For your reading pleasure ...

2006-10-20 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Oct 20, 2006, at 5:48 PM, Gannon Dick wrote: I have a slightly different, but I think more practical, approach to Meta Data in ODF documents. OK, I managed to access the documents, but I really don't understand what you're advocating. Metadata in ODF 1.2 will almost certainly use a

Re: [dev-biblio] How to use Zoterero with OOo

2006-10-09 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Oct 9, 2006, at 1:08 AM, David Wilson wrote: You may be aware that the Firefox bibliographic add-on Zotero is now available to the public and that it uses Bruce D'Arcus's CiteProc engine to produce the bibliographic table. Corrections: 1) it does not use CiteProc; it uses the CSL

Re: [dev-biblio] Hierarchical Keyword Tree

2006-09-30 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Sep 29, 2006, at 12:31 PM, Leonard Mada wrote: What I want is an amalgam of both, and even more than that. Simple keywords are to primitive and do not offer the wanted advantages when you want to search something. e.g. I recently searched for the term febrile neutropenia on Pubmed and

Re: [dev-biblio] Hierarchical Keyword Tree

2006-09-30 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
Hah, just came across this after sending the last message. The fly through comment refers to their use of -- you guess it -- hierarchical tags! Not sure how they're doing it internally, but storage is RDF, so I'd guess it's something like what I was talking about with SKOS. Bruce

Re: [dev-biblio] Hierarchical Keyword Tree

2006-09-28 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Sep 26, 2006, at 5:51 PM, Leonard Mada wrote: I come up with another idea regarding the standardisation of keywords. I believe that the ultimate goal is to have standard keywords, too. However, as this will be difficult, a possible solution is to let users specify their own keywords.

Re: [dev-biblio] Hierarchical Keyword Tree

2006-09-28 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Sep 28, 2006, at 4:04 PM, Matthias Basler wrote: Just a question for me to understand what exactly you are talking about when you refer to keywords. AKA tags as used in Flickr, etc., etc. I actually believe the basic idea of tags is right (really simple for uses to add), but that we can

[dev-biblio] new extensions framework

2006-09-23 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
http://www.techworld.com/applications/news/index.cfm?RSSNewsID=6944 I think this is a really good move which might have implications for us. Bruce - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail:

[dev-biblio] OpenOffice Bib API

2006-09-22 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
FYI, David Wilson put up a wiki page to come up with suggested enhancements to the OpenOffice bibliographic API. http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/ Bibliographic_API_Enhancements I'm trying to find out about Microsoft's new citation and bibliography API, but am not finding any

Re: [dev-biblio] Re: [sw-discussion] generic structured fields, citations

2006-09-21 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On 9/21/06, Jakob Lechner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Dienstag, den 19.09.2006, 08:50 -0400 schrieb Bruce D'Arcus: [...] Can you give me some specific use case examples that might benefit from such a generic structured metadata field? Citations is one. I could imagine contacts would

[dev-biblio] Re: [sw-discussion] Smart Tags in Openoffice Writer

2006-09-04 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
Hi Jakob, On Sep 4, 2006, at 4:23 AM, Jakob Lechner wrote: Am Freitag, den 01.09.2006, 12:00 -0400 schrieb Bruce D'Arcus: [...] But what *is* a keyword in this context? A keyword can be any word specified in a given smarttag library. You're talking implementation. I'm asking a more basic

Re: [dev-biblio] ODF requirements

2006-07-28 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
Peter, comment from one of the MS people on Brian Jones' blog: Since Open XML is the default format for Office 2007, I don't think that MS has changed a lot in the binary format and adapted the XML format as an afterthought. So the reference for binary compatibility would be Office 2003. Any

[dev-biblio] cleaned up wiki some

2006-07-22 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
FYI, I just went through and cleaned up the main wiki page a bit: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/ Bibliographic_Project%27s_Developer_Page#Remote_Server_Integration Main changes are using the term citation field to refer to the new citation support, to make clear exactly what it

[dev-biblio] bringing our description closer inline with existing OOo bib API

2006-07-22 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
It's occurred to me in looking at all this again that we need see where we can simply use and/or enhance the existing bib APIs in OOo: to see if we can disentangle what are GUI problems, from something fundamental in the design. It seems to me these APIs look fine: Bibliography

[dev-biblio] GUI

2006-07-22 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
OK, am just looking again through the details of the existing GUI, seeing if we can get by with minimal changes that might have a big impact on functionality. So, random thoughts: 1) I think maybe we need our own citation entry in the insert menu (and maybe in tools?). 2) The insert

Re: [dev-biblio] more on word support

2006-07-17 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Jul 16, 2006, at 10:23 PM, pt wrote: 1. An external reference database / research tool that could be used with both Word and Writer. It should be able to store not jsut metadata but full-text articles, notes, webpage snapshots other supporting data. Right. I think this is slowly being

Re: [dev-biblio] more on word support

2006-07-16 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Jul 16, 2006, at 5:38 AM, David Wilson wrote: I read through the exchange and I think you put your position very well and the response was rather defensively or evasive. I think it's worth paying close attention to what they've done not just for interoperability's sake, but also

[dev-biblio] more on word support

2006-07-14 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
So based on back-and-forth with the product manager responsible for the new bib support in Word 2007*: 1) they won't support footnote/endnote citations in v1 2) seems (?) they don't support first/subsequent distinctions in author-year 3) they think it perfectly fine to have styles implemented in

[dev-biblio] blog from MS product manager

2006-07-13 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
Not all that illuminating, but FYI: http://blogs.msdn.com/joe_friend/archive/2006/07/13/664960.aspx Bruce - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [dev-biblio] Footnotes and with intext citations.

2006-07-10 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Jul 10, 2006, at 7:33 PM, David Wilson wrote: All other citations are footnote citation. This practise is is followed because otherwise the text would have a couple of hundred very short footnotes of the type - Táin LL 183 But does that really matter, or is this more a convenience for

Re: [dev-biblio] Footnotes and with intext citations.

2006-07-10 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On 7/10/06, David Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would this work? The Add/Edit citation has text input box with these options- Custom Short title / Abbreviation (for this citation) Custom Short title / Abbreviation (use for all subsequent citations) (The first option is available in Ibidem.

Re: [dev-biblio] localization?

2006-07-06 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
I wonder if the easy way to do this is to remove all strings from CSL files, define a list of variables, and allow them to be implemented natively in software? That way the files are mostly simplified, and remain self-contained. Doing that, I could also move the prefix and suffix elements

Re: [dev-biblio] localization?

2006-07-05 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Jul 5, 2006, at 8:58 PM, James Howison wrote: It occurs to me that one risk of not factoring out the language specific aspects is that changes or improvements made in the 'base styles' don't cascade to the other languages, leaving them to bit-rot, especially if some non-compatible change

[dev-biblio] xslt, citeproc-writer

2006-06-27 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
bib project questions ... Re: David Wilson's idea that citeproc give pre-rendered citation and bibliography chunks (first/subsequent, etc.) and save it in the XML, described here: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Citeproc_Writer_Interaction I've thought about this some, and agree

Re: [dev-biblio] xslt, citeproc-writer

2006-06-27 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
Hey Peter, On Jun 27, 2006, at 11:09 PM, pt wrote: I disagree Bruce, about not storing rendered content in the XML. I think it needs to be stored in a rendered form. If you don't then it will make it very hard to write things like OpenDocument to HTML transforms in random languages as you

Re: [dev-biblio] Enhance the Text-Field or Bookmark functions to include formatted text

2006-06-26 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Jun 26, 2006, at 9:46 PM, David Wilson wrote: I would like to enter an issue to enhance database and text fields to support formatted text. The Bibliographic project wants this enhancement because some data fields in the bibliography need to support formatted text. For example some

Re: [dev-biblio] Important: Please Vote for Bibliographic Enhancements.

2006-06-25 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Jun 24, 2006, at 10:33 PM, Matthew Yates wrote: I added my two votes. Great; we're now at 51. Bruce - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[dev-biblio] request for feedback: Word 2007 citation support

2006-06-25 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
This is maybe a bit unorthodox, but I'd like to get feedback from people on what we do in the future by having you take a close look at what Microsoft is doing in Word 2007. They're doing something similar to what I think we have been envisioning (I'm convinced someone in Redmond has been

[dev-biblio] also, backward compatability?

2006-06-25 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
Also, I have a question: Does anyone really use the existing citation support, such that backward compatibility is a real concern? Just wondering, because we have it as a requirement: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/

Re: [dev-biblio] also, backward compatability and Word 2007

2006-06-25 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Jun 25, 2006, at 9:37 PM, Jon Rubin wrote: On another question of Bruce's: no I would not give up a style editing GUI. It's not just that I have no interest in hand coding XML (however simple) but I don't think any of my colleagues would do either. 90% of the time not editing the styles

Re: [dev-biblio] Important: Please Vote for Bibliographic Enhancements.

2006-06-24 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Jun 24, 2006, at 7:21 PM, David Wilson wrote: and enter the number of votes 1-5 you would like to allocate to 'Proposals for Bibliographic facility enhancements.' in the text box next to that issue. Click on the 'Submit button at the bottom of that page. I just did this, but note: you

Re: [dev-biblio] citation GUI?

2006-06-20 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Jun 19, 2006, at 8:44 PM, David Wilson wrote: If location-units are an either a separate list (possibly user extensible) or at least gathered in one place in the code. Right now, the list is controlled in the schema, which I think important for future interoperability. It terms of

[dev-biblio] citation GUI?

2006-06-19 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
Does anyone have any thoughts on the GUI screenshots I posted here for the new Word 2007 citation support? http://netapps.muohio.edu/blogs/darcusb/darcusb/archives/2006/06/13/ multi-reference-citations-in-word-2007 I'm trying to think through, for example, how we might address the

Re: [dev-biblio] citation GUI?

2006-06-19 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Jun 19, 2006, at 7:03 PM, David Wilson wrote: But rather than have variable multi- part locators in the GUI we can keep the single input box but with conventions such as time = hh:mm:ss or Manuscripts =line#:Column#:[R/C] Yeah, that's one possibility, though could get problematic when

Re: [dev-biblio] funding (was Bibliographic Issues should be added to the marketing strategy)

2006-06-17 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Jun 17, 2006, at 2:01 AM, CPHennessy wrote: I will try to help keep those tasks as developer oriented as possible. One problem I obviously had was trying to interpret the citation requirements in terms of actual C++ code and OpenOffice.org design. Sounds great CPH; had a feeling you

Re: [dev-biblio] funding (was Bibliographic Issues should be added to the marketing strategy)

2006-06-17 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Jun 17, 2006, at 2:01 AM, CPHennessy wrote: I will try to help keep those tasks as developer oriented as possible. One problem I obviously had was trying to interpret the citation requirements in terms of actual C++ code and OpenOffice.org design. Come to think of it, one way for you to

[dev-biblio] funding (was Bibliographic Issues should be added to the marketing strategy)

2006-06-16 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
I like the pledge idea too, though perhaps before doing that we ought to come up with the most important tasks, and some rough target amount? Also, I wonder if a project like Edubuntu might not be helpful someway? The homepage says they will be tragetting higher ed in the future, and their

[dev-biblio] Word 2007: GUI config

2006-06-15 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
More explorations: The Word 2007 bibliographic source editing GUI is all configured with XML. There's a single file that includes all the information needed to create the GUI, and then transform the results into the proper XML. I've been saying for awhile that it'd be nice if OOo's XForms

Re: [dev-biblio] Bibliographic Issues should be added to the marketing strategy

2006-06-14 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Jun 14, 2006, at 2:49 AM, David Wilson wrote: y University's IT department distributes OpenOffce for free, but the Academic departments recommend students use Endnotes for bibliographic management. Minor correction: Endnote, not Endnotes. Until recently OpenOffice could claim to at least

Re: [dev-biblio] Re: Re: Bibliographic Issues should be added to the marketing strategy

2006-06-14 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Jun 14, 2006, at 6:07 PM, Matej Cepl wrote: That's nice, except that unless you will be done (who will implement new ODF citation support in OOo?), you will have no useable bibliographic support in OpenOffice.org, no users, and no push on Sun to do something about it. Right;

Re: [dev-biblio] What is the current state of CSL / Citreproc

2006-06-14 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Jun 14, 2006, at 7:33 PM, pt wrote: Bruce, and others who have been helping, can you give the list an update of where CSL and citeproc are at? I remember seeing some stuff about Python and Ruby code, but didn't have much time to think about it. Hey, David just pinged me about this

[dev-biblio] more on citations in Word

2006-06-13 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
I've been blogging a lot about the Word citation support; latest is mostly about the GUI: http://netapps.muohio.edu/blogs/darcusb/darcusb/archives/2006/06/13/ multi-reference-citations-in-word-2007 Bruce - To unsubscribe,

[dev-biblio] lessons for ODF/OOo?

2006-06-09 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
Sorry for cross-posting, but this is a fairly broad topic ... I wonder, does what MS is doing with Word 2007 and OXML and citations have any lessons for ODF and OOo? They are a step away from implementing what we've been advocating for the past couple of years for ODF and OOo (e.g.

Re: [dev-biblio] citation/bib support in Word 2007

2006-06-07 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Jun 6, 2006, at 9:08 PM, Matt Price wrote: On Tue, Jun 06, 2006 at 06:26:57PM -0400, Bruce D'Arcus wrote: Just found out today that MS is offering citation and bib support in Word 2007. http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/ ms406055.aspx#office2007wordwhatsnew_othernewfeatures Still

Re: [dev-biblio] short-to-medium-term

2006-05-29 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On 5/26/06, David Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree, I have these listed on the Developer wiki page. But we probably need to add some step-by-step instructions. Otherwise it is a big task to sort out what to do. Yeah, I think we've started the process; just need to finish it. The end

Re: [dev-biblio] Fwd: Summer of Code : 6 Projects Above the Line

2006-05-24 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On 5/23/06, Matt Price [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there someone one might write to about the importance of this task? I think if the coding team understood (a) the extent to which current bibliographic functions block adoption by academics, and (b) the importance of educational markets in

Re: [dev-biblio] update on modelling

2006-04-21 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On 4/21/06, David Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I notice you have converted role (Author, Editor etc) from a table of role types , in earlier models, to a field in Contributions in this model. I think it there should be a table. Even if it was not linked into the database it could used

[dev-biblio] FRBR (was Re: embedded references/functional requirements wiki page)

2006-04-07 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Apr 6, 2006, at 10:52 PM, Matej Cepl wrote: Bruce D'Arcus wrote: David and I both spent time working with FRBR, which you might be interested in. What's FRBR? http://www.ifla.org/VII/s13/frbr/frbr.htm http://purl.org/vocab/frbr/core Bruce

Re: [dev-biblio] Re: Re: embedded references/functional requirements wiki page

2006-04-05 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Apr 5, 2006, at 11:50 AM, Matt Price wrote: should it be a little more extensive here? so for instnace: I am extremely disorganized, and in the absence of a satisfactory bibliogrpahic solution have dealt with various bibs in the last few years. On one paper I use one bib, for another

Re: [dev-biblio] Re: Re: embedded references/functional requirements wiki page

2006-04-05 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Apr 5, 2006, at 2:24 PM, Matthias Steffens wrote: However, when I'm writing a paper, 95% of the cited references do already exist in my bibliographic database and I want to use these (and not a copy from somewhere else) since I know that I've verified my own entries for correctness

Re: [dev-biblio] Re: Re: embedded references/functional requirements wiki page

2006-04-05 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Apr 5, 2006, at 6:06 PM, Matthias Steffens wrote: I'd also perhaps default to my database and user account, with options to ping other servers if data is missing. Yes, exactly! Wouldn't that solve the problems with the best balance of concerns? Yes. So do the two yes responses

Re: [dev-biblio] develop parallel application to test toolchain and api?

2006-04-05 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Apr 5, 2006, at 6:59 PM, James Howison wrote: I may be crazy, but has anyone considered building a 'proof-of-concept' _application_ that works similarly to the way intended for OOo? Yes, developing it outside OOo, but using the future file format as much as possible (obviously not doing

Re: [dev-biblio] Minimal Target

2006-04-04 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Apr 4, 2006, at 3:46 PM, Matt Price wrote: Seems to me it would be useful to define several targets -- say minimal, intermediate, and polished and lay out what needs to be done for each. Sure. Minimal Bibliographic Interface Target Goals: Allow expert users to insert useful citations

Re: [dev-biblio] Minimal Target

2006-04-04 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Apr 4, 2006, at 9:58 PM, Matt Price wrote: ah. that's really excellent, thank you. This also pointed me to wiki/Bibliographic_Document_XML_Format which I had skimmed over before, but is now much clearer to me. FYI, I just changed the bib example to reflect the current direction of

Re: [dev-biblio] Re: [users-biblio] Work documents on the wiki.

2006-03-31 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
I just went through and added comments throughout the requirements. I do think it still could use a fair bit of editing and maybe reorganization. I feel like we need to cut it down by about 50%, which mostly means consolidating and sharpening. It strikes me some of the requirements are in

Re: [dev-biblio] Re: [users-biblio] Work documents on the wiki.

2006-03-30 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Mar 30, 2006, at 5:41 PM, Matt Price wrote: Also very nice to have the Functional Requirements page up. I wonder though whether it might not be a good idea to start prioritizing all these tasks. I agree. I think we need to first clean up the formatting, and then work at streamlining

Re: [dev-biblio] Re: [users-biblio] Work documents on the wiki.

2006-03-30 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On 3/30/06, Matt Price [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My interest in porting citeproc to other languages is to prototype this, and gain the experience we need to figure out how best to do this. can you expand on this? e.g. would it be helpful if I tried to work up a python port (this will

Re: [dev-biblio] Bibliographic Table processing

2006-03-27 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On 3/27/06, David Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I assume to refers to the Bibliography xml structure which defines the Bibliographic Tables' data fields, their order and their character formating and punctuation between the fields. This structure is only indirectly associated with

Re: [dev-biblio] Some citation questions

2006-03-26 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Mar 25, 2006, at 10:11 PM, David Wilson wrote: There is the case where some styles have a first (more detailed) and subsequent (less detailed) format for citations. Right, but that's a global issue. The citation code that CPH is working on need not understand that. It is important for

Re: [dev-biblio] Bibliographic Table processing

2006-03-26 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Mar 25, 2006, at 11:11 PM, David Wilson wrote: Some time ago, some one, it might have been CPHennessy, asked about bibliographic table (reference table) generation and if the current process could work with the new Citeproc formating process. I find worrying about the GUI at this

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