Re: [dev-biblio] Re: [users-biblio] JabRef - OpenOffice integration

2007-12-08 Thread David Wilson
On Sun, 9 Dec 2007, Leonard Mada wrote: I strongly suggest moving this page to a new location, something like: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Bibliographic_Project/Plugins/Zote ro instead of creating such orphaned pages. Leonard, Thanks for the the suggestion. When I

Re: [dev-biblio] Re: [users-biblio] JabRef - OpenOffice integration

2007-12-07 Thread David Wilson
On Thu, 6 Dec 2007, Bruce D'Arcus wrote: So I'd like to see if we can work with developers from Zotero, JabRef, etc. to enhance that baseline support. If out that some other developer start to build the integrated tool we originally envisioned, that's great. But I don't think we can depend

Re: [dev-biblio] Re: [users-biblio] JabRef - OpenOffice integration

2007-12-05 Thread David Wilson
I largely different with Bruce, and encourage the development of Bibliographic applications that can effectively interact with OpenOffice. I differ from Bruce in not yet being fully convinced that we should abandon the idea of building a native integrated bibliographic facility in to

Re: [dev-biblio] Some Considerations for Bibliographic Management

2007-06-15 Thread David Wilson
On Fri, 15 Jun 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TWiMC, Perhaps some of the issues of the following Zotero thread may also be pertinent to the OOo Bib. project (specifically: permitting for the selection of and retention of disparate fonts and font sizes within citations as well as citation

Re: [dev-biblio] feedback needed on citation formatting

2007-03-20 Thread David Wilson
On Wednesday 21 March 2007 7:39 am, Bruce D'Arcus wrote: I'm wondering about a simpler approach still. I am thinking of properties like just citation, shortCitation and bibliographicEntry. In that scheme, if we have a citation like (Doe, 1999, 2000; see also Smith, 1993): - ref 1 and 3

Re: [dev-biblio] feedback needed on citation formatting

2007-03-20 Thread David Wilson
On Wednesday 21 March 2007 11:23 am, Bruce D'Arcus wrote: I am leaning towards not supporting traditional flags of this sort, with the idea that they're more trouble than they're worth, for both author and programmer. I am not sure what you mean precisely. Do you mean 'by not supporting

[dev-biblio] Re: zotero and OOo

2007-02-13 Thread David Wilson
On Wed, 14 Feb 2007, Bruce D'Arcus wrote: My colleague David Wilson has posted the requirements he sees (though I've had time to look at them in depth), and I've noted that ZOOM may well provide a ready made API complete with freely available code. I have posted the basic requirement (as I

Re: [dev-biblio] Fwd: [sw-discussion] Re: [dev-biblio] Re: [sw-discussion] Re: zotero and OOo

2007-02-11 Thread David Wilson
On Mon, 12 Feb 2007, Bruce D'Arcus wrote: On Feb 10, 2007, at 9:20 PM, David Wilson wrote: I put together my ideas about possible Citeproc - Writer Interaction at http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Citeproc_Writer_Interaction I think we might need to pull back and get more abstract

Re: [dev-biblio] Fwd: [sw-discussion] Re: [dev-biblio] Re: [sw-discussion] Re: zotero and OOo

2007-02-11 Thread David Wilson
On Mon, 12 Feb 2007, Bruce D'Arcus wrote: On Feb 11, 2007, at 4:11 PM, David Wilson wrote: I will work on it today. OK, just to be clear, we're laying out the requirements fro a cross-application API. It would be used to assess whether ZOOM is good as is, whether it needs to be adapted

Re: [dev-biblio] smarttags in OOo

2007-01-30 Thread David Wilson
On Sun, 28 Jan 2007, CPHennessy wrote: I'm not sure if it makes sense but would the smarttags feature which was recently added be useful to develope the citation component ? http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS/entry/successful_community_project_smart_tags CPH, It is good news that Smart

Re: [dev-biblio] important question

2007-01-24 Thread David Wilson
the GUI panel. Footnote citation options are - *Force Short/long title, *Suppress Publisher regards David On Thursday 25 January 2007 9:14 am, Bruce D'Arcus wrote: On Jan 24, 2007, at 4:37 PM, David Wilson wrote: Ibidem has several other insert citation options including - a custom

[dev-biblio] Fwd: OpenOffice.org Survey

2006-11-03 Thread David Wilson
FYI If you are interested you could support Tobias' research. -- Forwarded Message -- Subject: OpenOffice.org Survey Date: Saturday 04 November 2006 6:51 am From: Tobias Brenner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],

Re: [dev-biblio] default db should be empty

2006-10-25 Thread David Wilson
Perhaps a compromise would be to have only one entry in the database, to show that it works and is easier (if you do not know the select delete record process) to remove. Most mail apps came with a welcome mail message. David On Thursday 26 October 2006 4:55 am, Matthias Basler wrote: Bruce

[dev-biblio] Re: [sw-discussion] default db should be empty

2006-10-23 Thread David Wilson
On Tuesday 24 October 2006 3:44 am, you wrote: But if it is really disturbing, we have some protocols for changing a feature in OOo .. this usually start by reporting an issue. (So that the change is trackable) http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=70760 Remove the sample content

Re: [dev-biblio] For your reading pleasure ...

2006-10-23 Thread David Wilson
On Tuesday 24 October 2006 4:43 am, you wrote: The more I think about it, my half-hearted suggestion for a feature prohibiting saving a document with (recommended core) meta data blanks might not be so harsh. It is partly there already - the option Edit document properties before saving in

Re: [dev-biblio] For your reading pleasure ...

2006-10-22 Thread David Wilson
On Monday 23 October 2006 7:38 am, Gannon Dick wrote: You do start to lose me just a little bit when you talk about a generic API for meta data. For reasons outlined here ... http://www.geocities.com/gannon_dick/TheBigPicture.pdf (case sensitive) I believe that a meta data API needs a

Re: [dev-biblio] generic structured fields, citations

2006-10-19 Thread David Wilson
Jakob I have been reading the Extensions project documentation http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Extensions . I get the impression that what you are trying to should be possible. It might be that you need to add two OObasic macros - one that initialise/opens your file at document open

Re: [dev-biblio] taking the biscuit

2006-10-18 Thread David Wilson
On Thursday 19 October 2006 3:48 am, Jon Rubin wrote: Hi Bruce, Apologies to the list members, I realise that in life three things are inevitable: death, taxes and lost data but sometimes the latter can happen at a very bad time, and inevitably when you've just done a lot of work. As for Sun

[dev-biblio] OOo 2.0.4 has a built in BibTeX export filter.

2006-10-15 Thread David Wilson
The just released OOo 2.0.4 has a built in BibTeX export filter. File-Export-File Format='Bibtex (.bib)'. I have written some instructions on how to set up a RIS and BibTeX import filter on the wiki hints and tips page. You can easily add COPAC, endnote, ISI web of science, Pubmed

[dev-biblio] How to use Zoterero with OOo

2006-10-08 Thread David Wilson
Dear Bibliographic list members, You may be aware that the Firefox bibliographic add-on Zotero is now available to the public and that it uses Bruce D'Arcus's CiteProc engine to produce the bibliographic table. I believe the Zotero team will be building an interface to MS Word and to OOo

[dev-biblio] [users-biblio] Amended Project Plans

2006-10-03 Thread David Wilson
On Wednesday 04 October 2006 8:53 am, you wrote: On 03/10/06, David Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whilst we need to wait for some developments with ODF, the Extension Toolkit and some Writer enhancements (formatted text in fields). There is still plenty of design work that can be done. We

Re: [dev-biblio] Hierarchical Keyword Tree

2006-09-27 Thread David Wilson
Leonard Mada. Your have raised some very interesting questions. I think the idea of setting a scheme for sharing subject specific key word lists is well worth considering - and rather simple to implement. David On Wednesday 27 September 2006 7:51 am, Leonard Mada wrote: Hi, I

Re: [dev-biblio] Re: [sw-discussion] Smart Tags in Openoffice Writer

2006-09-01 Thread David Wilson
On Saturday 02 September 2006 1:14 am, Bruce D'Arcus wrote: On 9/1/06, Jakob Lechner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We consider the primary use case of smart tags to be to link words (that are recognized by an external library) in a document with actions provided by this library. The user usually

Re: [dev-biblio] more on word support

2006-07-16 Thread David Wilson
I read through the exchange and I think you put your position very well and the response was rather defensively or evasive. David On Saturday 15 July 2006 10:52 am, Bruce D'Arcus wrote: So based on back-and-forth with the product manager responsible for the new bib support in Word 2007*:

Re: [dev-biblio] more on word support

2006-07-16 Thread David Wilson
On Sunday 16 July 2006 9:47 pm, Bruce D'Arcus wrote: And I think with some caveats, they will have met these goals. I am particularly intrigued by their no-local-database approach, where the editing forms are only editing XML data embedded in the file package. This is something we need to

[dev-biblio] more on Keywords

2006-07-12 Thread David Wilson
One of the nice things about wiki's is that you set up a page and the pixies come in night and make it better. (Not at all like the Deteriorating Angel that comes in the night to make you a tiny bit older). I set up a wiki page about keywords with discoleo's suggestions about keywords -

[dev-biblio] Footnotes and with intext citations.

2006-07-10 Thread David Wilson
I have been thinking about the options needed for the Insert/ Edit Citation panel. Yet another history complexity. This one is from my thesis. Whilst the thesis citation style is Chicago footnotes, the thesis is principally an examination of two texts and I followed the convention of

Re: [dev-biblio] localization?

2006-07-05 Thread David Wilson
My guess is that for the final production version that would eventually ship with OpenOffice, would need need either separate language versions of the CSL files or internationalization via the use strings in a separate files. In styles like Chicago there are a few language specific strings

[dev-biblio] The Vote for Bibliographic Enhancements

2006-06-29 Thread David Wilson
=doitnewqueryname=order=Reuse+same+sort+as+last+timeSubmit+query=Submit+query regards David On Sunday 25 June 2006 9:21 am, David Wilson wrote: Bibliographic Project List members, One of the ways the OpenOffice developers access the importance of fixed and enhancements to OpenOffice is through

[dev-biblio] Fwd: Re: [dev] Will OOo version 3 preserve backwards file compatibility with OOo 2 ?

2006-06-28 Thread David Wilson
FYI -- Forwarded Message -- Subject: Re: [dev] Will OOo version 3 preserve backwards file compatibility with OOo 2 ? Date: Wednesday 28 June 2006 7:05 pm From: Kay Ramme - Sun Germany - Hamburg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dev@openoffice.org David, David Wilson wrote: In terms

[dev-biblio] Enhance the Text-Field or Bookmark functions to include formatted text

2006-06-26 Thread David Wilson
I would like to enter an issue to enhance database and text fields to support formatted text. The Bibliographic project wants this enhancement because some data fields in the bibliography need to support formatted text. For example some scientific document titles need to be able to display

[dev-biblio] Will OOo version 3 preserve backwards file compatibility with OOo 2 ?

2006-06-26 Thread David Wilson
Can anyone advise us as whether OOo version 3 will preserve backwards file compatibility with OOo 2 ? Has this matter been decided yet, or does the major release number mean that compatibility does not need to be conserved ? In designing the bibliographic enhancements the Bibliographic Project

[dev-biblio] Important: Please Vote for Bibliographic Enhancements.

2006-06-24 Thread David Wilson
Bibliographic Project List members, One of the ways the OpenOffice developers access the importance of fixed and enhancements to OpenOffice is through project members voting on the issue voting system. I raised this issue some time ago but it is worth raising again. I have just checked the

Re: [dev-biblio] citation GUI?

2006-06-19 Thread David Wilson
On Tuesday 20 June 2006 9:21 am, Bruce D'Arcus wrote: On further thought, I wonder if we shouldn't make things a little easier and just do: cite:biblioref cite:key=doe99a cite:style=year cite:detail cite:units=pages cite:value=23-24/ /cite:biblioref ... or even:

[dev-biblio] Fwd: Site Infrastructure Upgrade: Tuesday 20 June

2006-06-16 Thread David Wilson
-- Forwarded Message -- Subject: [project leads] Site Infrastructure Upgrade: Tuesday 20 June Date: Saturday 17 June 2006 12:54 am From: Louis Suarez-Potts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dev@openoffice.org, dev@native-lang.openoffice.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Apologies: I meant, of

[dev-biblio] Keywords

2006-06-12 Thread David Wilson
discoleo has submitted an interesting enhancement request. I created a wiki page http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Bib-Keywords to discuss such issues. === discoleo wrote --- One way to better sort articles is based on Keywords. However, there is another way I will shortly

Re: [dev-biblio] intro. and contributions

2006-05-28 Thread David Wilson
Ryan, Thanks for your interest and offer of assistance. Unfortunately we have no finished software to test yet, and what we have is not yet sufficiently developed to document. If you would like to exercise your skills in writing you could look over the project web pages for areas

Re: [dev-biblio] Base forms (was Minimal Target)

2006-04-05 Thread David Wilson
On Wednesday 05 April 2006 8:49 pm, Bruce D'Arcus wrote: On Apr 5, 2006, at 12:26 AM, David Wilson wrote: You can use Xforms in OOo but it is harder to use than Base forms which are of the point and click type, to link database fields to form fields. So what kind of form functionality

Re: [dev-biblio] Re: Re: embedded references/functional requirements wiki page

2006-04-05 Thread David Wilson
On Thursday 06 April 2006 4:24 am, Matthias Steffens wrote: On Wed, 5-Apr-2006 10:27 -0400, Bruce D'Arcus wrote: Yes, that's a very nice feature. However, when I'm writing a paper, 95% of the cited references do already exist in my bibliographic database and I want to use these (and not a

Re: [dev-biblio] Minimal Target

2006-04-04 Thread David Wilson
On Wednesday 05 April 2006 1:02 pm, Bruce D'Arcus wrote: Also CiteProc is working right now using data stored in an eXist xml database. The quickest way to build something that works would be to build a xforms based browser to work with eXist and a function to inset the selected

Re: [dev-biblio] embedded references/functional requirements wiki page

2006-04-04 Thread David Wilson
On Wednesday 05 April 2006 6:40 am, Bruce D'Arcus wrote: On Apr 4, 2006, at 3:54 PM, Matt Price wrote: comment: seems to me that it might be a good idea to start some of the actual deletion/consolidation suggested by Bruce or others. WHile fairly exhaustive, the document is currently

Re: [dev-biblio] Re: [users-biblio] Work documents on the wiki.

2006-04-03 Thread David Wilson
On Friday 31 March 2006 9:41 am, Matt Price wrote: Snip Alternatively, would it make most sense to design the bibliographic database next -- since there are so few C coders here, but many people with some database experience? Accepting Matt's good idea I have created a Bibliographic

Re: [dev-biblio] Re: [users-biblio] Work documents on the wiki.

2006-03-30 Thread David Wilson
On Friday 31 March 2006 9:41 am, Matt Price wrote: Hi David, Alternatively, would it make most sense to design the bibliographic database next -- Yes that is a task that could be started now. I notice I have not included the database design / build task on the Developers page.

Re: [dev-biblio] Bibliographic Table processing

2006-03-28 Thread David Wilson
On Monday 27 March 2006 12:15 am, Bruce D'Arcus wrote: Snip Anyway, here's the relevant page: http://api.openoffice.org/docs/common/ref/com/sun/star/text/ BibliographyDataField.html OK, good news: There is, in fact, a reference class. It's very limited, just being a series of

Re: [dev-biblio] Bibliographic Table processing

2006-03-27 Thread David Wilson
On Monday 27 March 2006 12:15 am, Bruce D'Arcus wrote: snip . Bad news: I might be wrong, but it seems that the current design assumes one would always have a bibliography. The description, for example, says: These values define parts of bibliographic data. They are used to create a

Re: [dev-biblio] Some citation questions

2006-03-25 Thread David Wilson
First I would like to express my gratitude to CPHennessy for putting in such an effort under difficult circumstance, not helped much by my documentation. On Sunday 26 March 2006 2:33 am, CPHennessy wrote: In the new approach, those five citations each point to the same -- single -- metadata

Re: [dev-biblio] Some citation questions

2006-03-25 Thread David Wilson
On Sunday 26 March 2006 2:21 am, Bruce D'Arcus wrote: On Mar 25, 2006, at 9:09 AM, CPHennessy wrote: 2 - (is a consequence of the above or make the decision for us) can one citation be displayed in several ways in the same document at the same time ? There is the case where some styles

[dev-biblio] Developer Article Competition

2006-03-22 Thread David Wilson
Hi, You may have noticed OpenOffice.org is a running competition for developer   articles. These are articles written to help developers working on   OOo. The award sum is $750 USD. The official announcement of the competition is below. --- All,

[dev-biblio] tcluno and the YAZ internet search client.

2006-01-30 Thread David Wilson
The tcluno team has announced the release 0.2 of tcluno. Tcluno is a set of Tcl packages, which provide acccess to OpenOffice.org using the urp socket interface. One part of the packages (unospection) allows interactive introspection and driving of a running OpenOffice.org process (server).

Re: [dev-biblio] an example of a odt file with the new citation xml

2006-01-04 Thread David Wilson
On Monday 02 January 2006 3:09 am, CPHennessy wrote: Hi, Does anyone have an example file (i.e. the contents.xml and others with the right format), for the new citation. I want a complete file as it is not clear to me where the citation xml actually sits in the ODT file and hence it is hard

Re: [dev-biblio] an example of a odt file with the new citation xml

2006-01-01 Thread David Wilson
On Monday 02 January 2006 3:09 am, CPHennessy wrote: Hi, Does anyone have an example file (i.e. the contents.xml and others with the right format), for the new citation. I want a complete file as it is not clear to me where the citation xml actually sits in the ODT file and hence it is hard

[dev-biblio] Bibliographic Project announces its development plans

2005-12-16 Thread David Wilson
The OOo Bibliographic Project (OOoBib) is pleased to announce the release of its development plans. The plans are available at http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User_talk:Dnw . We have placed our plans on the wiki site as we hope developers will contribute by adding information to

Re: [dev-biblio] wiki updates

2005-12-13 Thread David Wilson
On Wednesday 14 December 2005 11:20 am, CPHennessy wrote: On Sat December 10 2005 18:50, Bruce D'Arcus wrote: On 12/10/05, CPHennessy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Bruce, Nice work. Can you also update it to add something relevant to my questions/suggestions : Yes, forgot to mention

Re: [dev-biblio] Almost ready to go ! Draft new development plans

2005-12-08 Thread David Wilson
Bruce I have busy with other things including Christmas shopping, to this has been a bit slow in coming. I have update the http://bibliographic.openoffice.org/developer1.html page and hope I have amended as to your suggestions. I will try to get it on the Wiki site tomorrow. David

Re: [dev-biblio] Draft new development plans on Wiki

2005-12-05 Thread David Wilson
, which I have almost fixed. Regards On Monday 05 December 2005 11:36 am, CPHennessy wrote: On Sun December 4 2005 21:40, Bruce D'Arcus wrote: On Dec 4, 2005, at 4:20 PM, David Wilson wrote: On Monday 05 December 2005 12:06 am, Bruce D'Arcus wrote: Two quick things David: 1) I

Re: [dev-biblio] take 1 on CSL mods

2005-11-25 Thread David Wilson
I think the answer might be to remove the sorting from the CLS process. I will explain - I have been looking at my style guide again. They suggest an example with several levels of Grouping and sorting: For example - == Primary Sources Published Sources    

Re: [dev-biblio] configuring grouping

2005-11-20 Thread David Wilson
On Monday 21 November 2005 3:05 am, Bruce D'Arcus wrote: I am still considering the other points but I can make a comment on this. 3) Primary and secondary sources. This is a tricky one, as David has made the argument one would need to assign groups in this case. I am assuming the

Re: [dev-biblio] configuring grouping

2005-11-20 Thread David Wilson
On Monday 21 November 2005 9:03 am, Bruce D'Arcus wrote: On Nov 20, 2005, at 4:47 PM, David Wilson wrote: I have now just realised that this means that not only do users need to be able to specify the groupings for the bibliography (primary and secondary, and any others) but that user

Re: [dev-biblio] metadata update

2005-11-12 Thread David Wilson
On Sunday 13 November 2005 4:07 am, Bruce D'Arcus wrote: Just a quick update: Long story here, but the short take-home point is that I'll be leading an effort -- hosted by the new OpenDocument Fellowship -- to design a proposal to significantly enhance metadata support in OpenDocument. That

Re: [dev-biblio] Update

2005-11-12 Thread David Wilson
Edward, Welcome to our project, I am sure you will be be able to find some interesting way to use your programming skills to help us. Please keep in touch. David On Sunday 13 November 2005 8:32 am, Edward Summers wrote: On Nov 12, 2005, at 3:21 PM, David Wilson wrote: My

Re: [dev-biblio] Bibshare

2005-11-08 Thread David Wilson
Matej, Thanks for the suggestion, I have not come across Bibshare before. I will add a reference to it to the biblio-sw web page. David On Monday 07 November 2005 2:14 am, Matej Cepl wrote: Hi, just to ask for adding another bibliographic project to the list on

[dev-biblio] Document type lists and document options

2005-05-21 Thread David Wilson
Some of the problems we have been dealing with the question of mapping the standard document types to MODS and how to design a user interface to collect reference data. I have thinking about how the other Bibliographic applications use standard document types and I think we should try a

Re: [dev-biblio] OO's bibliography project - request.

2005-04-25 Thread David Wilson
://www.cs.kent.edu/~capstone/ regards David Wilson On Friday 22 April 2005 4:38 pm, Arron Arntzen wrote: Hi Andreas Martens (at sun.com) dev@bibliographic.openoffice.org I am a lecturer and unit controller at Curtin University in Western Australia. Curtin has 32 campuses, mostly overseas. I have

Re: [dev-biblio] get the name of the literature database by StarBasic

2005-04-12 Thread David Wilson
Jorg Our developer page has a few bits of sample code. Whilst the literature database can be user-defined it has to be given the DataSource name Bibliography for the bibliographic functions to work with it. I have quoted a small python routine below that reads entries from the

Re: [dev-biblio] modified bibliographic entries - update

2005-04-05 Thread David Wilson
Jozef, There is something you can do fix the problem, create a unique index for the identifier. See the document http://bibliographic.openoffice.org/files/documents/124/1284/HOWTO-increaseFieldSizes-V1.0.sxw for instructions. You can not create the index until you have removed the

Re: [dev-biblio] 2.0 beta and xforms

2005-03-06 Thread David Wilson
I still have dial-up ISP link with a quota and I have used my month,s allocation I will have a wait for a few days before I can look at it. David On Monday 07 March 2005 12:37 am, Bruce D'Arcus wrote: Since my platform is officially unsupported (um, Sun, how about getting a clue on Mac

Re: [dev-biblio] Initial comments on OOoBib UI Architectural Design 2.0

2005-02-26 Thread David Wilson
I have been in contact with Andreas Martens, the Project Lead for the word-processor project. I outlined the scope, approach and objectives of our project in December 2004. He has discussed them with Oliver Specht the User Interface project leader. Andreas responded - The support of a useful

Re: [dev-biblio] OOo 2.0 coming soon ... and where are we?

2005-02-25 Thread David Wilson
Matthias, No offence is taken from fair comment and criticism. I do not have much time as I have to go out soon. But I want to make a brief comment. I have also been frustrated that so little has been done to make even minor corrections and improvements to the existing bibliographic system.

Re: [dev-biblio] funding development

2005-02-17 Thread David Wilson
On Friday 18 February 2005 02:49, Bruce D'Arcus wrote: On Feb 17, 2005, at 10:37 AM, Matthew Yates wrote: I cannot write the grant myself (I am not a developer and do not know a lot about the openoffice.org organization). However, I do have experience writing grants and would be willing