Re: putting the alphas on the website downloads section

2019-11-04 Thread Michael Shuler 

wiki != project website

I think this sounds completely reasonable for a wiki page, and anyone 
can edit easily. Good suggestion.


Michael

On 11/4/19 3:18 PM, Joshua McKenzie wrote:

Is there an opportunity to consider a separate "upcoming release testing"
type page with downloads to alpha releases? Sounds like, as per letter of
the law, we wouldn't that on the official project page but getting
something going where we can have project-wide "test out this alpha" or
where individual devs could post builds of a feature they're working on at
similar milestones (alpha, beta, etc) might be helpful in terms of getting
a healthier dev <-> user feedback cycle going on some things. Maybe a wiki
page with this type of information?

Ultimately I'd like to see a way for us to reduce friction to users getting
involved in the testing of C* if possible without crossing that line into
risking people running alpha code on accident in a production environment.

On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 3:10 PM Michael Shuler 
wrote:


I will also add that I did send the user@ list 4.0-alpha release notes,
along with dev@, and also added to the @cassandra tweet last week. I
thought those were acceptable to get a little wider audience, but didn't
want to link from downloads page, since this is explicit.

Michael

On 11/4/19 2:06 PM, Michael Shuler wrote:

-1 (I looked into this when we released 4.0-alpha1)

"During the process of developing software and preparing a release,
various packages are made available to the developer community for
testing purposes. Do not include any links on the project website that
might encourage non-developers to download and use nightly builds,
snapshots, release candidates, or any other similar package. The only
people who are supposed to know about such packages are the people
following the dev list (or searching its archives) and thus aware of the
conditions placed on the package. If you find that the general public
are downloading such test packages, then remove them."

http://www.apache.org/legal/release-policy.html#what

Michael

On 11/4/19 1:11 PM, Dinesh Joshi wrote:

I think this is a good idea. I am +1 on making this more discoverable
on our website. Please add instructions to report bugs and give us
feedback around it.

Dinesh


On Nov 4, 2019, at 10:53 AM, Jon Haddad  wrote:

I noticed we don't currently list the alpha in the downloads section.
Anyone object if I add the relevant information after the "Older
supported
releases" section in the downloads page?  I'd make it clear that this

is

alpha and non-production release, and we're soliciting feedback.

http://cassandra.apache.org/download/

Jon



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Re: [VOTE] Cassandra Enhancement Proposal (CEP) documentation

2019-11-04 Thread Joshua McKenzie 
+1

On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 3:55 PM Ben Bromhead  wrote:

> +1
>
> On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 10:56 AM Vinay Chella 
> wrote:
>
> > +1
> >
> > -Vinay Chella
> >
> > On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 5:09 PM Jeff Carpenter  >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > FYI the audio of the session with Ben Bromhead / Scott Andreas is
> > > available:
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://feathercast.apache.org/2019/09/12/apache-cassandra-community-health-ben-bromhead-scott-andreas/
> > > <
> > >
> >
> https://feathercast.apache.org/2019/09/12/apache-cassandra-community-health-ben-bromhead-scott-andreas/
> > > >
> > >
> > > Jeff
> > >
> > > > On Nov 1, 2019, at 11:19 AM, Scott Andreas 
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Michael,
> > > >
> > > > Unfortunately not; ASF recorded the keynotes but video/streaming
> > > facilities weren't available for the individual tracks.
> > > >
> > > > A copy of the slides are uploaded here:
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://github.com/ngcc/ngcc2019/blob/master/Committing%20to%20our%20Users%20-%20Product%20and%20Release%20Management%20in%20Apache%20Cassandra.pdf
> > > >
> > > > I also have a version with messy presenters' notes. I'll clean these
> up
> > > and put them on Confluence. The outline and notes cover all of the
> > > presentation's content in detail so the delta between "being there" and
> > > "reading the notes" should be minimal.
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > From: Michael Shuler  on behalf of Michael
> > > Shuler 
> > > > Sent: Friday, November 1, 2019 9:09 AM
> > > > To: dev@cassandra.apache.org
> > > > Subject: Re: [VOTE] Cassandra Enhancement Proposal (CEP)
> documentation
> > > >
> > > > +1
> > > >
> > > > Scott, was your NGCC talk videoed and uploaded anywhere? I would love
> > to
> > > > watch, since I missed the event.
> > > >
> > > > Kind regards,
> > > > Michael
> > > >
> > > > On 11/1/19 9:07 AM, Scott Andreas wrote:
> > > >> +1 nb
> > > >>
> > > >>> On Nov 1, 2019, at 5:36 AM, Benedict Elliott Smith <
> > > bened...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> +1
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On 01/11/2019, 12:33, "Mick Semb Wever"  wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Please vote on accepting the Cassandra Enhancement Proposal
> (CEP)
> > > document as a starting point and guide towards improving collaboration
> > on,
> > > and success of, new features and significant improvements. In
> combination
> > > with the recently accepted Cassandra Release Lifecycle documentation
> this
> > > should help us moving forward as a project and community.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > >
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=95652201
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Past discussions on the document/process have been touched on
> in a
> > > number of threads in the dev ML.  The most recent thread was
> > >
> >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/b5d1b1ca99324f84e4a40b9cba879e8f858f5f6e18447775fcf32155@%3Cdev.cassandra.apache.org%3E
> > > >>>
> > > >>>regards,
> > > >>>Mick
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > -
> > > >>>To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@cassandra.apache.org
> > > >>>For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@cassandra.apache.org
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> -
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> > >
> > > --
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Vinay Chella
> >
>
>
> --
>
> Ben Bromhead
>
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Re: putting the alphas on the website downloads section

2019-11-04 Thread Joshua McKenzie 
Is there an opportunity to consider a separate "upcoming release testing"
type page with downloads to alpha releases? Sounds like, as per letter of
the law, we wouldn't that on the official project page but getting
something going where we can have project-wide "test out this alpha" or
where individual devs could post builds of a feature they're working on at
similar milestones (alpha, beta, etc) might be helpful in terms of getting
a healthier dev <-> user feedback cycle going on some things. Maybe a wiki
page with this type of information?

Ultimately I'd like to see a way for us to reduce friction to users getting
involved in the testing of C* if possible without crossing that line into
risking people running alpha code on accident in a production environment.

On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 3:10 PM Michael Shuler 
wrote:

> I will also add that I did send the user@ list 4.0-alpha release notes,
> along with dev@, and also added to the @cassandra tweet last week. I
> thought those were acceptable to get a little wider audience, but didn't
> want to link from downloads page, since this is explicit.
>
> Michael
>
> On 11/4/19 2:06 PM, Michael Shuler wrote:
> > -1 (I looked into this when we released 4.0-alpha1)
> >
> > "During the process of developing software and preparing a release,
> > various packages are made available to the developer community for
> > testing purposes. Do not include any links on the project website that
> > might encourage non-developers to download and use nightly builds,
> > snapshots, release candidates, or any other similar package. The only
> > people who are supposed to know about such packages are the people
> > following the dev list (or searching its archives) and thus aware of the
> > conditions placed on the package. If you find that the general public
> > are downloading such test packages, then remove them."
> >
> > http://www.apache.org/legal/release-policy.html#what
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > On 11/4/19 1:11 PM, Dinesh Joshi wrote:
> >> I think this is a good idea. I am +1 on making this more discoverable
> >> on our website. Please add instructions to report bugs and give us
> >> feedback around it.
> >>
> >> Dinesh
> >>
> >>> On Nov 4, 2019, at 10:53 AM, Jon Haddad  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I noticed we don't currently list the alpha in the downloads section.
> >>> Anyone object if I add the relevant information after the "Older
> >>> supported
> >>> releases" section in the downloads page?  I'd make it clear that this
> is
> >>> alpha and non-production release, and we're soliciting feedback.
> >>>
> >>> http://cassandra.apache.org/download/
> >>>
> >>> Jon
> >>
> >>
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Re: [VOTE] Cassandra Enhancement Proposal (CEP) documentation

2019-11-04 Thread Ben Bromhead 
+1

On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 10:56 AM Vinay Chella 
wrote:

> +1
>
> -Vinay Chella
>
> On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 5:09 PM Jeff Carpenter 
> wrote:
>
> > FYI the audio of the session with Ben Bromhead / Scott Andreas is
> > available:
> >
> >
> https://feathercast.apache.org/2019/09/12/apache-cassandra-community-health-ben-bromhead-scott-andreas/
> > <
> >
> https://feathercast.apache.org/2019/09/12/apache-cassandra-community-health-ben-bromhead-scott-andreas/
> > >
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> > > On Nov 1, 2019, at 11:19 AM, Scott Andreas 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Michael,
> > >
> > > Unfortunately not; ASF recorded the keynotes but video/streaming
> > facilities weren't available for the individual tracks.
> > >
> > > A copy of the slides are uploaded here:
> > >
> >
> https://github.com/ngcc/ngcc2019/blob/master/Committing%20to%20our%20Users%20-%20Product%20and%20Release%20Management%20in%20Apache%20Cassandra.pdf
> > >
> > > I also have a version with messy presenters' notes. I'll clean these up
> > and put them on Confluence. The outline and notes cover all of the
> > presentation's content in detail so the delta between "being there" and
> > "reading the notes" should be minimal.
> > >
> > > 
> > > From: Michael Shuler  on behalf of Michael
> > Shuler 
> > > Sent: Friday, November 1, 2019 9:09 AM
> > > To: dev@cassandra.apache.org
> > > Subject: Re: [VOTE] Cassandra Enhancement Proposal (CEP) documentation
> > >
> > > +1
> > >
> > > Scott, was your NGCC talk videoed and uploaded anywhere? I would love
> to
> > > watch, since I missed the event.
> > >
> > > Kind regards,
> > > Michael
> > >
> > > On 11/1/19 9:07 AM, Scott Andreas wrote:
> > >> +1 nb
> > >>
> > >>> On Nov 1, 2019, at 5:36 AM, Benedict Elliott Smith <
> > bened...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> +1
> > >>>
> > >>> On 01/11/2019, 12:33, "Mick Semb Wever"  wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>Please vote on accepting the Cassandra Enhancement Proposal (CEP)
> > document as a starting point and guide towards improving collaboration
> on,
> > and success of, new features and significant improvements. In combination
> > with the recently accepted Cassandra Release Lifecycle documentation this
> > should help us moving forward as a project and community.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=95652201
> > >>>
> > >>>Past discussions on the document/process have been touched on in a
> > number of threads in the dev ML.  The most recent thread was
> >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/b5d1b1ca99324f84e4a40b9cba879e8f858f5f6e18447775fcf32155@%3Cdev.cassandra.apache.org%3E
> > >>>
> > >>>regards,
> > >>>Mick
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > -
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> > >>>For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@cassandra.apache.org
> > >>>
> > >>>
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>
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> Vinay Chella
>


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Re: putting the alphas on the website downloads section

2019-11-04 Thread Michael Shuler 
I will also add that I did send the user@ list 4.0-alpha release notes, 
along with dev@, and also added to the @cassandra tweet last week. I 
thought those were acceptable to get a little wider audience, but didn't 
want to link from downloads page, since this is explicit.


Michael

On 11/4/19 2:06 PM, Michael Shuler wrote:

-1 (I looked into this when we released 4.0-alpha1)

"During the process of developing software and preparing a release, 
various packages are made available to the developer community for 
testing purposes. Do not include any links on the project website that 
might encourage non-developers to download and use nightly builds, 
snapshots, release candidates, or any other similar package. The only 
people who are supposed to know about such packages are the people 
following the dev list (or searching its archives) and thus aware of the 
conditions placed on the package. If you find that the general public 
are downloading such test packages, then remove them."


http://www.apache.org/legal/release-policy.html#what

Michael

On 11/4/19 1:11 PM, Dinesh Joshi wrote:
I think this is a good idea. I am +1 on making this more discoverable 
on our website. Please add instructions to report bugs and give us 
feedback around it.


Dinesh


On Nov 4, 2019, at 10:53 AM, Jon Haddad  wrote:

I noticed we don't currently list the alpha in the downloads section.
Anyone object if I add the relevant information after the "Older 
supported

releases" section in the downloads page?  I'd make it clear that this is
alpha and non-production release, and we're soliciting feedback.

http://cassandra.apache.org/download/

Jon



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Re: putting the alphas on the website downloads section

2019-11-04 Thread Michael Shuler 

-1 (I looked into this when we released 4.0-alpha1)

"During the process of developing software and preparing a release, 
various packages are made available to the developer community for 
testing purposes. Do not include any links on the project website that 
might encourage non-developers to download and use nightly builds, 
snapshots, release candidates, or any other similar package. The only 
people who are supposed to know about such packages are the people 
following the dev list (or searching its archives) and thus aware of the 
conditions placed on the package. If you find that the general public 
are downloading such test packages, then remove them."


http://www.apache.org/legal/release-policy.html#what

Michael

On 11/4/19 1:11 PM, Dinesh Joshi wrote:

I think this is a good idea. I am +1 on making this more discoverable on our 
website. Please add instructions to report bugs and give us feedback around it.

Dinesh


On Nov 4, 2019, at 10:53 AM, Jon Haddad  wrote:

I noticed we don't currently list the alpha in the downloads section.
Anyone object if I add the relevant information after the "Older supported
releases" section in the downloads page?  I'd make it clear that this is
alpha and non-production release, and we're soliciting feedback.

http://cassandra.apache.org/download/

Jon



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Re: putting the alphas on the website downloads section

2019-11-04 Thread Dinesh Joshi 
I think this is a good idea. I am +1 on making this more discoverable on our 
website. Please add instructions to report bugs and give us feedback around it.

Dinesh

> On Nov 4, 2019, at 10:53 AM, Jon Haddad  wrote:
> 
> I noticed we don't currently list the alpha in the downloads section.
> Anyone object if I add the relevant information after the "Older supported
> releases" section in the downloads page?  I'd make it clear that this is
> alpha and non-production release, and we're soliciting feedback.
> 
> http://cassandra.apache.org/download/
> 
> Jon


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putting the alphas on the website downloads section

2019-11-04 Thread Jon Haddad 
I noticed we don't currently list the alpha in the downloads section.
Anyone object if I add the relevant information after the "Older supported
releases" section in the downloads page?  I'd make it clear that this is
alpha and non-production release, and we're soliciting feedback.

http://cassandra.apache.org/download/

Jon

Re: [VOTE] Cassandra Enhancement Proposal (CEP) documentation

2019-11-04 Thread Vinay Chella 
+1

-Vinay Chella

On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 5:09 PM Jeff Carpenter 
wrote:

> FYI the audio of the session with Ben Bromhead / Scott Andreas is
> available:
>
> https://feathercast.apache.org/2019/09/12/apache-cassandra-community-health-ben-bromhead-scott-andreas/
> <
> https://feathercast.apache.org/2019/09/12/apache-cassandra-community-health-ben-bromhead-scott-andreas/
> >
>
> Jeff
>
> > On Nov 1, 2019, at 11:19 AM, Scott Andreas  wrote:
> >
> > Hi Michael,
> >
> > Unfortunately not; ASF recorded the keynotes but video/streaming
> facilities weren't available for the individual tracks.
> >
> > A copy of the slides are uploaded here:
> >
> https://github.com/ngcc/ngcc2019/blob/master/Committing%20to%20our%20Users%20-%20Product%20and%20Release%20Management%20in%20Apache%20Cassandra.pdf
> >
> > I also have a version with messy presenters' notes. I'll clean these up
> and put them on Confluence. The outline and notes cover all of the
> presentation's content in detail so the delta between "being there" and
> "reading the notes" should be minimal.
> >
> > 
> > From: Michael Shuler  on behalf of Michael
> Shuler 
> > Sent: Friday, November 1, 2019 9:09 AM
> > To: dev@cassandra.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: [VOTE] Cassandra Enhancement Proposal (CEP) documentation
> >
> > +1
> >
> > Scott, was your NGCC talk videoed and uploaded anywhere? I would love to
> > watch, since I missed the event.
> >
> > Kind regards,
> > Michael
> >
> > On 11/1/19 9:07 AM, Scott Andreas wrote:
> >> +1 nb
> >>
> >>> On Nov 1, 2019, at 5:36 AM, Benedict Elliott Smith <
> bened...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> +1
> >>>
> >>> On 01/11/2019, 12:33, "Mick Semb Wever"  wrote:
> >>>
> >>>Please vote on accepting the Cassandra Enhancement Proposal (CEP)
> document as a starting point and guide towards improving collaboration on,
> and success of, new features and significant improvements. In combination
> with the recently accepted Cassandra Release Lifecycle documentation this
> should help us moving forward as a project and community.
> >>>
> >>>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=95652201
> >>>
> >>>Past discussions on the document/process have been touched on in a
> number of threads in the dev ML.  The most recent thread was
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/b5d1b1ca99324f84e4a40b9cba879e8f858f5f6e18447775fcf32155@%3Cdev.cassandra.apache.org%3E
> >>>
> >>>regards,
> >>>Mick
> >>>
> >>>
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> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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