Re: [DISCUSSION] Cassandra's code style and source code analysis
I can put few sentences in this context, because my involvement into Cassandra mailing list started with looking at build system. It was 8 or maybe 9 years ago. Simple fact that Cassandra core team do understand their chain of Ant task execution doesn't automatically make all other contributors and interested parties understand it. More over, another person outside of present core team with prior knowledge of Ant, will require some amount of time to dive into task definitions and how they are being invoked. There is a reason why usage of Ant fade away over time, its because maintenance of builds such Cassandra takes with time more and more effort. Maven is built around convention over configuration, most of external contributors who worked with it before will come with enough of knowledge to understand what your build is doing and how. A lot of hate people feel to Maven is caused by its limitations which they try to overcome for some reason. Gradle is closer in its flexibility to Ant and gives much more power, but requires a bit of though to not complicate things too much. Switching to standardized build requires a work, but usually it improves architecture and separation of concerns. System you build might have a complex logic because of business, standards or technology requirements, but your build is not part of that complexity. If you assume it is then you just double amount of troubles as your technology will depend on over-engineered pipeline. One of major pain points I found back in 2013 or 2014 was that Cassandra had a lot of cross dependencies between packages making it impossible to simplify build in first place. Today I am even scared to look at it now. Whether these cross dependencies are needed or not - I was not able to answer myself, yet most of properly designed systems tend to build directed dependencies free of cycles. From looking at history of root build.xml I see 75 contributors who touched it. It is not a small number, I would say that for project witch such small amount of external dependencies it is a lot. It is still a fair question if you will benefit from using other build tool. Yet I could put opposite question - where you would be, if you would make a change 7 years ago? How many hours of tweaking of Ant you would save? With regard to linters I saw it used in openHAB, I know Apache Maven is looking to adopt an unified code style as well. In both cases ecosystem of these projects is quite large and amount of people doing contributions is larger than core team. Yet, even if cassandra is smaller in terms of people contributing patches, it has serious enterprise use cases. Spotless, the-last-npe and other build time plugins can assure that you never get a PR or patch with amended whitespaces or code formatting. Unnecessary parts will be fixed by tool so patch will contain only needed change. Whether you will enforce it by CI or by hand, that's other question. For sure staying with Ant doesn't Best regards, Łukasz On 28.11.2022 22:19, Benedict wrote: Scott makes some valid points about legitimate benefits. I personally doubt the high upfront cost of migration will take less than a decade to pay back in time saved managing shims. But, it’s a tangible justification. Conveniently the bulk of my contributions are also at Scott’s prerogative, so if he’s fine with me (and others) wasting their time battling Gradle or Maven, or losing time to the migration, then I think my complaint is functionally neutered. I think, though, that those pushing such a disruptive change into others had better work very darn hard to deliver a smooth experience. I tend to find that maintaining our current Ant build is a big waste of my time, and that every time I need to go to this layer its far more brittle than it should be Whereas I find Ant an absolute pleasure, and Gradle a nightmare, and already regret using it for Accord. I wasted more than a day just trying to get some test artefacts in one module exposed in another, and eventually gave up. I have made dozens of forays into our Ant build and *never* abandoned my goal because I couldn’t accomplish it. I think people are really glossing over all the pain other build systems bring - even without our complex build requirements. If you’re going to make the project adopt your preferred build system, you become responsible for the experience of everyone using it. Make sure you’re ready for that. I think those pushing such a disruptive change on others had better work very darn hard to deliver a smooth experience. On 28 Nov 2022, at 20:18, David Capwell wrote: I am strong +1 to new linters, I have been working on SpotBugs but not sent a patch due to sickness and holidays… About the check style as the source of truth for the style guides, I am +1 to this as well… I feel that wiki is a bad place for this and we can use the check style file to generate the wiki text (no idea
Re: DataStax role in Cassandra and the ASF
her > a gatekeeper or shooting down your proposal. I'm just attempting to explain > my perception **of the view of the existing contributors*.” I copied links to threaded copy of mailing list so everyone could easily go over message exchange and check it out. I quoted parts which were relevant from my point of view, after already having discussion with argument exchange similar to above. If you are selectively choose mail parts to talk about why you won’t defend now a second thread with question about mavenizing build which ended up with just "No”? Isn't it shutting down entire discussion? > You indicate that the decisions made by the PMC force other companies to > run forks (citing Stratio as an example). Here, again, history doesn't just > find this unsupportable, but patently untrue. Time and time again the PMC > made the decision to include code specifically so that Stratio wouldn't > need to fork. I don’t track all discussions happening on mailing lists on daily basis. Aleksey already made point about that so I asked privately Andreas who was CCed in his reply to also make an record of his obviously positive collaboration with project. You also share your positive feedback about collaboration with project in later part of your mail which is great. After all I might be just one frustrated guy who been incubated for over a year working hard on making board reaction just to show out some wrongly planned rebellion. > You indicate that discontinuation of thrift was seen by outsiders as > marketing driven. The discontinuation of thrift is technical in nature - > it's implementation has a ton of edge cases, it's existence introduces > risk. It's more code to maintain, and it's now less performant than the > native CQL. The preference for CQL over thrift evolved over time, it's > easier for newcomers, it's easier for most people to reason about, and the > 3.0 engine (ticket 8099) optimized storage for CQL, moving thrift to second > class status. This isn't marketing, this is tech. The communication may > have been poor (though to be fair, it was discussed in detail on various > JIRA tickets, which is sent to various mailing lists, so it "happened" in > the Apache sense). You bring CQL as example saying that now it is more performant than thrift. This means that you made great investment in it over past years. You did spend great amount of time on that I believe. Wouldn't be great if people who are not dedicated to more important parts could focus on infrastructure related changes while others worked on project core and performance? > If this is really an issue you brought to "a friend at ASF" as evidence of > misconduct by the PMC at the time, which is hinted at in the fact that you > felt called out by that insinuation in Kelly's original post, the fact that > it's wrong on so many levels AND the fact that I see no evidence that > anyone did any meaningful research to understand such a gross > mischaracterization of "control" is really troubling. I don’t know who from Apache board members could be my friend, but whole discussion was already started long time before I saw it on twitter. I won’t play any finger pointing in this case cause washing dirty linen in public was already going on before I even could send (per Chris suggestion) my mail to appropriate private mailing lists. It already went viral here without even myself showing up. I understand that there might be a tension between board and project PMCs, I’ve seen that before, but I can’t get rid of impression that some people are trying to present it as personal conflict while it’s not like that. I believe that common language will be found, as always been, when this attitude will be stripped down. Cheers, Łukasz > > On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 5:03 PM, Łukasz Dywicki <l...@code-house.org> wrote: > >> Good evening, >> I feel myself a bit called to table by both Kelly and Chris. Thing is I >> don’t know personally nor have any relationship with both of you. I’m not >> even ASF member. My tweet was simply reaction for Kelly complaints about >> ASF punishing out DataStax. Kelly timeline also contained statement such >> "forming a long term strategy to grow diversity around” which reminded me >> my attempts to collaborate on Cassandra and Tinkerpop projects to grow such >> diversity. I collected message links and quotes and put it into gist who >> could be read by anyone: >> https://gist.github.com/splatch/aebe4ad4d127922642bee0dc9a8b1ec1 >> >> I don’t want to bring now these topics back and disscuss technical stuff >> over again. It happened to me in the past to refuse (or vote against) some >> change proposals in other Apache projects I am involved. I was on the other >> ("bad guy") side multip
Re: [discuss] Modernization of Cassandra build system
with no stress, making people use it for tests even if in production they use different messaging provider. Cause it’s dead easy. By taking a look on things such netty or jackson json processor which consisted just two or three modules in 1.x version you can find fasterxml-jackson 2.x continuing library evolution in much wider way. It does provide more customizable approach, supports pluggable data formats, data types and so on. Library users did suffer a bit from changes, package renaming and all crazy stuff which was going on, but now only legacy projects are dependant on old 1.x version. Please don’t get me wrong - I don't want to confront library with database - I am just showing an approach which is affecting popular software. Also as mentioned above - even entire systems which are older and has similar complexity level such Cassandra are making better these days than you. All because they have serval jars more. From assembly point of view, for users which just download ZIP and unpack it - it doesn’t change anything if you have cassandra-all only or devided it into 10 pieces, but from developers point of view it makes huge change because these people can decide what parts of cassandra they actually need and in which configuration. Kind regards, Lukasz On Sat, Apr 11, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Łukasz Dywicki l...@code-house.org wrote: Sorry for not coming back to topic for long time. You are right that what Cassandra project have currently - does work and keeping package scoping discipline in such big development community as Cassandra is clearly impossible without tool support (if you insist to keep ant please try to separate javac tasks for logical parts in current build to verify that). I clearly pointed out that it doesn’t work in reliable way causing troubles with artifacts uploaded to maven central. As I briefly counted in my ealier mail there was 116 issues related to artifacts published by build process. It is a lot and these changes requires another mainanance releases to fix for example one or another bytecode level dependency causing NoClassDefErrors with invalid artifacts. According to some recordings from DataStax there is a plan to support in Cassandra multiple kinds of store - document, graph so it won’t get easier with the time but rather harder - ask yourself do you really want to mess all these things together? Starting from 2.x Cassandra supports triggers but writing even a simplest trigger which will drop a log message or publish UDP packet requires entire cassandra and all it’s dependencies to be present during development. Fact that everything sits in one big ant build.xml is caused by troubles generated by ant itself to support multiple build modules, placeholders and so on, not because it’s handsome to do such. Modernization of build and internal dependencies is not something which brings huge benefit in first run cause now your frontend is CQL, however it gives real boost when it comes to community donations, tool development, or even debugging. Sadly keeping current Ant build is silent agreement to keep mess internally and rickety architecture of project. Ant was already legacy tool when Cassandra has been launched. The longer you will stay with it the more troubles you will get with it over time. Kind regards, Lukasz Wiadomość napisana przez Robert Stupp sn...@snazy.de w dniu 2 kwi 2015, o godz. 14:51: TL;DR - Benedict is right. IMO Maven is a nice, straight-forward tool if you know what you’re doing and start on a _new_ project. But Maven easily becomes a pita if you want to do something that’s not supported out-of-the-box. I bet that Maven would just not work for C* source tree with all the little nice features that C*’s build.xml offers (just look at the scripted stuff in build.xml). Eventually gradle would be an option; I proposed to switch to gradle several months ago. Same story (although gradle is better than Maven ;) ). But… you need to know that build.xml is not just used to build the code and artifacts. It is also used in CI, ccm, cstar-perf and a some other custom systems that exist and just work. So - if we would exchange ant with something else, it would force a lot of effort to change several tools and systems. And there must be a guarantee that everything works like it did before. Regarding IDEs: i’m using IDEA every day and it works like a charm with C*. Eclipse is ”supported natively” by ”ant generate-eclipse-files”. TBH I don’t know NetBeans. As Benedict pointed out, the code has improved and still improves a lot - in structure, in inline-doc, in nomenclature and whatever else. As soon as we can get rid of Thrift in the tree, there’s another big opportunity to cleanup more stuff. TBH I don’t think that (beside the tools) there would be a need to generate multiple artifacts for C* daemon - you can do ”separation of concerns” (via packages) even with discipline
Re: [discuss] Modernization of Cassandra build system
a recent bootcamp we've run for both internal and external contributors http://www.datastax.com/dev/blog/deep-into-cassandra-internals. The code structure would be great to modularise, but the reality is that it is not currently modular. There are no good clear dividing lines for much of the project. The problem with refactoring the entire codebase to create separate projects is that it is a significant undertaking that makes maintenance of the project across versions significantly more costly. This create a net drag on all productivity in the project. Such a major change requires strong consensus, and strong evidence justifying it. So the question is: would this create more new work than it loses? The evidence isn't there that it would. It might, but I personally guess that it would not, judging by the results of our other attempts to drive up contributions to the project. Perhaps we can have a wider dialogue about the endeavour, though, and see if a consensus can in fact be built. On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 9:31 AM, Pierre Devops pierredev...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, Not a cassandra contributor here, but I'm working on the cassandra sources too. This big cassandra source root caused me trouble too, firstly it was not easy to import in an IDE, try to import cassandra sources in netbeans, it's a headcache. It would be great if we had more small modules/projects in separate POM. It will be more easier to work on small part of the project, and as a consequences, I'm sure you will have more external contribution to this project. I know cassandra devs are used to ant build model, but it's like a thread I opened about updated and more complete documentation about sstable structures. I got answer that it was not needed to understand how to use Cassandra, and the only way to learn about that is to rtfcode. Because people working on cassandra already know how sstable structure are, it's not needed to provide up to date documentation. So it will take me a very long time to read and understand all the serialization code in cassandra to understand the sttable structure before I can work on the code. Up to date documentation about internals would have gave me the knowledge I need to contribute much quicker. Here we have the same problem, we have a complex non modular build system, and core cassandra dev are used to it, so it's not needed to make something more flexible, even if it could facilite external contribution. 2015-03-31 23:42 GMT+02:00 Benedict Elliott Smith belliottsm...@datastax.com: I think the problem is everyone currently contributing is comfortable with ant, and as much as it is imperfect, it isn't clear maven is going to be better. Having the requisite maven functionality linked under the hood doesn't seem particularly preferable to the inverse. The status quo has the bonus of zero upheaval for the project and its contributors, though, so it would have to be a very clear win to justify the change in my opinion. On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 10:24 PM, Łukasz Dywicki l...@code-house.org wrote: Hey Tyler, Thank you very much for coming back. I already lost faith that I will get reply. :-) I am fine with code relocations. Moving constants into one place where they cause no circular dependencies is cool, I’m all for doing such thing. Currently Cassandra uses ant for doing some of maven functionalities (such deploying POM.xml into repositories with dependency information), it uses also maven type of artifact repositories. This can be easily flipped. Maven can call ant tasks for these parts which can not be made with existing maven plugins. Here is simplest example: http://docs.codehaus.org/display/MAVENUSER/Antrun+Plugin http://docs.codehaus.org/display/MAVENUSER/Antrun+Plugin - you can see ant task definition embedded in maven pom.xml. Most of things can be made at this moment via maven plugins: apache-rat-plugin: http://mvnrepository.com/artifact/org.apache.rat/apache-rat-plugin/0.11 http://mvnrepository.com/artifact/org.apache.rat/apache-rat-plugin/0.11 maven-thrift-plugin: http://mvnrepository.com/artifact/org.apache.thrift.tools/maven-thrift-plugin/0.1.11 http://mvnrepository.com/artifact/org.apache.thrift.tools/maven-thrift-plugin/0.1.11 antlr4-maven-plugin: http://mvnrepository.com/artifact/org.antlr/antlr4-maven-plugin/4.5 http://mvnrepository.com/artifact/org.antlr/antlr4-maven-plugin/4.5 or antlr3-maven-plugin: http://mvnrepository.com/artifact/org.antlr/antlr3-maven-plugin/3.5.2 http://mvnrepository.com/artifact/org.antlr/antlr3-maven-plugin/3.5.2 maven-gpg-plugin: http://mvnrepository.com/artifact/org.apache.maven.plugins/maven-gpg-plugin/1.6 http://mvnrepository.com/artifact/org.apache.maven.plugins/maven-gpg-plugin/1.6 maven-cobertura-plugin: http://mojo.codehaus.org/cobertura-maven-plugin/ http://mojo.codehaus.org/cobertura-maven-plugin
Re: [discuss] Modernization of Cassandra build system
Hey Tyler, Thank you very much for coming back. I already lost faith that I will get reply. :-) I am fine with code relocations. Moving constants into one place where they cause no circular dependencies is cool, I’m all for doing such thing. Currently Cassandra uses ant for doing some of maven functionalities (such deploying POM.xml into repositories with dependency information), it uses also maven type of artifact repositories. This can be easily flipped. Maven can call ant tasks for these parts which can not be made with existing maven plugins. Here is simplest example: http://docs.codehaus.org/display/MAVENUSER/Antrun+Plugin http://docs.codehaus.org/display/MAVENUSER/Antrun+Plugin - you can see ant task definition embedded in maven pom.xml. Most of things can be made at this moment via maven plugins: apache-rat-plugin: http://mvnrepository.com/artifact/org.apache.rat/apache-rat-plugin/0.11 http://mvnrepository.com/artifact/org.apache.rat/apache-rat-plugin/0.11 maven-thrift-plugin: http://mvnrepository.com/artifact/org.apache.thrift.tools/maven-thrift-plugin/0.1.11 http://mvnrepository.com/artifact/org.apache.thrift.tools/maven-thrift-plugin/0.1.11 antlr4-maven-plugin: http://mvnrepository.com/artifact/org.antlr/antlr4-maven-plugin/4.5 http://mvnrepository.com/artifact/org.antlr/antlr4-maven-plugin/4.5 or antlr3-maven-plugin: http://mvnrepository.com/artifact/org.antlr/antlr3-maven-plugin/3.5.2 http://mvnrepository.com/artifact/org.antlr/antlr3-maven-plugin/3.5.2 maven-gpg-plugin: http://mvnrepository.com/artifact/org.apache.maven.plugins/maven-gpg-plugin/1.6 http://mvnrepository.com/artifact/org.apache.maven.plugins/maven-gpg-plugin/1.6 maven-cobertura-plugin: http://mojo.codehaus.org/cobertura-maven-plugin/ http://mojo.codehaus.org/cobertura-maven-plugin/ (but these days jacoco with java agent instrumentation perfoms better) .. and so on I already made some evaluation of impact and it is big. Code has to be separated into different source roots. It’s not easy even for keeping current artifact structure: cassandra-all, cassandra-thrift and clientutil (cause of cyclic dependencies). What I can do is prepare of these src roots with dependencies which are declared for them and push that to my cassandra fork so you will be able to verify that and continue with relocations if you will like new build. Creating new modules (source roots) with maven is simple so you could possibly extract more than these 3 predefined artifacts/package roots. Just let me know if you are interested. Kind regards, Lukasz Wiadomość napisana przez Tyler Hobbs ty...@datastax.com w dniu 31 mar 2015, o godz. 21:57: Hi Łukasz, I'm not very familiar with the build system, but I'll try to respond. The Serializer dependencies on org.apache.cassandra.transport are almost certainly uses of Server.CURRENT_VERSION and Server.VERSION_3. These are constants that represent the native protocol version in use, which affects how certain types are serialized. These constants could easily be moved. The o.a.c.marshal dependency in MapSerializer is on AbstractType, but could easily be replaced with java.util.Comparator. In any case, I'm not necessarily opposed to improving the build system to make these errors more apparent. Would your proposal still allow us to build with ant (and just change the way those artifacts are built)? On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 7:58 PM, Łukasz Dywicki l...@code-house.org mailto:l...@code-house.org wrote: Dear cassandra commiters and development process followers, I would like to bring an important topic off build process of cassandra. I am an external user from community point of view, however I been walking around various projects close to cassandra over past year or even more. What is worrying me a lot is how cassandra is publishing artifacts and how many problems are reported due that. First of all - I want to note that I am not born enemy of Ant itself. I never used it. I am also aware of problems with custom builds made with Maven, however I don’t really want to discuss any particular replacement, yet I want to note that Cassandra JIRA project contains about 116 issues related somehow to maven (http://bit.ly/1GRoXl5 http://bit.ly/1GRoXl5 http://bit.ly/1GRoXl5 http://bit.ly/1GRoXl5, project=CASSANDRA, text ~ maven). Depends on the point of view it might be a lot or a little. By simple statistics it is around 21 issues a year or almost 2 issues a month, many of them breaking maintanance/major releases from user point of view. From other hand it’s not bad considering how project is being built. Current structure has a very big disadvantage - ONE source root for multiple artifacts published in maven repositories and copying classes to jar AFTER they are compiled. Obviously ant copy task doesn’t follow import statements and does not include dependant classes. For example just by making test relocations and extraction of clientutil
[discuss] Modernization of Cassandra build system
Dear cassandra commiters and development process followers, I would like to bring an important topic off build process of cassandra. I am an external user from community point of view, however I been walking around various projects close to cassandra over past year or even more. What is worrying me a lot is how cassandra is publishing artifacts and how many problems are reported due that. First of all - I want to note that I am not born enemy of Ant itself. I never used it. I am also aware of problems with custom builds made with Maven, however I don’t really want to discuss any particular replacement, yet I want to note that Cassandra JIRA project contains about 116 issues related somehow to maven (http://bit.ly/1GRoXl5 http://bit.ly/1GRoXl5, project=CASSANDRA, text ~ maven). Depends on the point of view it might be a lot or a little. By simple statistics it is around 21 issues a year or almost 2 issues a month, many of them breaking maintanance/major releases from user point of view. From other hand it’s not bad considering how project is being built. Current structure has a very big disadvantage - ONE source root for multiple artifacts published in maven repositories and copying classes to jar AFTER they are compiled. Obviously ant copy task doesn’t follow import statements and does not include dependant classes. For example just by making test relocations and extraction of clientutil jar on master branch into separate source root I have found a bug where ListSerializer depends on org.apache.cassandra.transpor package. More over clientutil (MapSerializer) does depends on org.apache.cassandra.db.marshal package leading to the fact that it can not be used without cassandra-all present at classpath. Luckily for cassandra CQL as a new interface reduces thrift and clientutil usage reducing amount of issues reported around these, however this just hides a real problem in previous paragraph. I have found a handy tool and made a graph of circular dependencies in cassandra-all.jar. Graph of results can found here: http://grab.by/FRnO http://grab.by/FRnO. As you can see this graph has multiple levels and solving it is not a simple task. I am afraid a current way of building and packaging cassandra can create huge hiccups when it will come to code rafactorings cause entire cassandra will become a house of cards. Restructuring project into smaller pieces is also beneficiary for community since solving bugs in smaller units is definitelly easier. At the end of this mail I would like to propose moving Cassandra build system forward, regardless of tool which will be choosen for it. Personally I can volunteer in maven related changes to extract cassandra-thrift, cassandra-clientutil and cassandra-all to make regular maven build. It might be seen as a switch from one big XML into couple smaller. :-) All this depends on Cassandra developers decission to devide source roots or not. Kind regards, Łukasz Dywicki — l...@code-house.org Twitter: ldywicki Blog: http://dywicki.pl Code-House - http://code-house.org
Configuration of network connectors
Hello, First of all I would like to say hello to cassandra user and developer community. :) I write because we are using Cassandra in our unit tests and we have some troubles with network connectivity. We ca not run multiple cassandra instances during tests because we would need to randomize configuration of port and so on. For now if we try to fork our tests we get address already in use on one from two ports - native or thrift. In other apache projects we can VM connectors (ActiveMQ, Camel, Mina) based on in-memory queue. I took some time to see how CassandraDaemon starts servers and it's kinda of hardcoded. I thought about changing configuration to be more like: servers: - class org.apache.cassandra.thrift.ThriftServer - class org.apache.cassandra.transport.Server Then we will be able to disable these servers for unit tests: servers: - class org.apache.cassandra.vm.VmServer This requires some small changes in daemon code and client libraries. I'm not really deeply involved in cassandra stuff so I don't know the internal architecture and implications thus I look forward for you to discuss this topic. Cheers, Łukasz Dywicki -- l...@code-house.org Twitter: ldywicki Blog: http://dywicki.pl Code-House - http://code-house.org
Re: Configuration of network connectors
Jeremy, Sadly it does not cover our case. We have unit tests and we want to test really basic things like mappings of data contained in cassandra to our model. For that we don't need cluster at all because in unit tests we don't want to test data distribution. We also would like to run everything in JVM, thus CCM written in Python is not really what we need. What we are looking for is minimal cassandra set up which could be embedded and used concurrently multiple times. For example we now use CassandraUnit: @Rule public CassandraUnit unit = new CassandraUnit(new EmptyDataSet(), embedded-cassandra.yaml); @Test public void fistTest() { // do something with data } @Test public void secondTest() { // do something else } In this set up JUnit will launch new CassandraDaemon for every test. If we set FORK_MODE per test then we may have two cassandra instances running at the same time. First test which launch CassandraDaemon will pass, second may fail due port usage conflict. That's why we thought about testing without network layer. This can save some time. It would be great because for some older hardware used by our developers it takes up to 9 minutes to run build with all unit tests. Some of this time is consumed by startup and shutdown of cassandra. Cheers, Łukasz Dywicki -- l...@code-house.org Twitter: ldywicki Blog: http://dywicki.pl Code-House - http://code-house.org Wiadomość napisana przez Jeremy Hanna jeremy.hanna1...@gmail.com w dniu 9 lip 2013, o godz. 15:22: Have you seen https://github.com/pcmanus/ccm as described in http://www.datastax.com/dev/blog/ccm-a-development-tool-for-creating-local-cassandra-clusters or does that not fit your use case? On 9 Jul 2013, at 14:02, Łukasz Dywicki l...@code-house.org wrote: Hello, First of all I would like to say hello to cassandra user and developer community. :) I write because we are using Cassandra in our unit tests and we have some troubles with network connectivity. We ca not run multiple cassandra instances during tests because we would need to randomize configuration of port and so on. For now if we try to fork our tests we get address already in use on one from two ports - native or thrift. In other apache projects we can VM connectors (ActiveMQ, Camel, Mina) based on in-memory queue. I took some time to see how CassandraDaemon starts servers and it's kinda of hardcoded. I thought about changing configuration to be more like: servers: - class org.apache.cassandra.thrift.ThriftServer - class org.apache.cassandra.transport.Server Then we will be able to disable these servers for unit tests: servers: - class org.apache.cassandra.vm.VmServer This requires some small changes in daemon code and client libraries. I'm not really deeply involved in cassandra stuff so I don't know the internal architecture and implications thus I look forward for you to discuss this topic. Cheers, Łukasz Dywicki -- l...@code-house.org Twitter: ldywicki Blog: http://dywicki.pl Code-House - http://code-house.org