Re: [VOTE] Avoid checking in JavaDOCs into SVN

2004-08-25 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Pier Fumagalli wrote: I'm rebuilding the site and javadocs, and I seriously fail the point of checking in generated javadocs... There are something like more than 5600 files, and my SVN is crashing... Plus, we're wasting resources for something that can be so easily generated (even on minotaur):

Re: [RT] Concerns surrounding CocoonNG

2004-08-12 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Leo Sutic wrote: Niclas, the problem I have with Merlin/Metro is this: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=avalon-dev&m=108965397729686&w=2 Do you have ANY idea just how incredibly hard it has been to develop for Merlin? I've been trying to get a whole platform out the door here at S

Re: The Rich Thin Client

2004-08-11 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Gianugo Rabellino wrote: On Aug 11, 2004, at 10:32 AM, Ugo Cei wrote: Now, who wants to start enabling Cocoon Forms with XForms support? *If* and *when* browser support will really be there, I guess we'll all be eager to implement it... too bad this is the last of a few announces I heard in the

Re: Hibernate question

2004-08-11 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Niclas Hedhman wrote: The FSF agenda is to drive all development into OSS, by forcing the choice of "economical OSS benefits" vs "costly in-house development". Wrong. This is the OSI agenda, not the FSF one. -- Stefano. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature

Re: Hibernate question

2004-08-11 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Dirk-Willem van Gulik wrote: On Wed, 11 Aug 2004, Ugo Cei wrote: Stupid and counter to what they have publicly stated many times, that their own interpretation of the LGPL is that it is not viral. However over the years we've not managed to get a public statement (or an updated L-GPL license) whi

Re: [RT] Concerns surrounding CocoonNG

2004-08-11 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Niclas Hedhman wrote: On Wednesday 11 August 2004 14:47, Guido Casper wrote: On the surface it may be not that different from a dependency management POV but the first is easier to unit test ... And for the record, this whole thread is not an argument for and against different IoC styles. That i

Re: Hibernate question

2004-08-11 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Ugo Cei wrote: Il giorno 11/ago/04, alle 01:37, Stefano Mazzocchi ha scritto: Are they in trouble or are we wrong? Nobody is in trouble (unless the hibernate people go after them, which would be a pretty stupid thing to do anyway) Stupid and counter to what they have publicly stated many times

[Fwd: whirlycache]

2004-08-11 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
FYI -- Stefano. --- Begin Message --- Oh, by the way: http://whirlycache.dev.java.net/ phil. -- Whirlycott Philip Jacob [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.whirl

Re: Hibernate question

2004-08-10 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Leszek Gawron wrote: Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Leszek Gawron wrote: Let's imagine we base cocoon on spring. There was a discussion about including hibernate in cocoon and it failed (licensing). Spring being ASL 2.0 ships with hibernate library, even if not - it contains code that was com

Re: help needed (OWQL)

2004-08-10 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Halgurt Mustafa-Ali wrote: hi, I am tryong to itegrate OWQL in to the cocoon framework, I implemented a Transformer for that purpose (see the Attachment please). The OWQL tool has a method printAnswerAsXML (String reqxml, PrintWriter pw) do you have an idea how can I

Re: Hibernate question

2004-08-10 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Leszek Gawron wrote: Let's imagine we base cocoon on spring. There was a discussion about including hibernate in cocoon and it failed (licensing). Spring being ASL 2.0 ships with hibernate library, even if not - it contains code that was compiled against hibernate interfaces. Wouldn't this be an

Re: FreeMarker integration

2004-08-10 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Leszek Gawron wrote: Is anybody interested in FreeMarker integration with cocoon? There is no single word (Oh there are some freemarker occurences but they do not stick to the subject) about FreeMarker on the cocoon-dev list. It is BSD style licensed so there is no problem with shipping it with

Re: help needed (OWQL)

2004-08-10 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Halgurt Mustafa-Ali wrote: hi, I am tryong to itegrate OWQL in to the cocoon framework, I implemented a Transformer for that purpose (see the Attachment please). The OWQL tool has a method printAnswerAsXML (String reqxml, PrintWriter pw) do you have an idea how can I convert pw to SAX events? h

Re: XJ: Integration of XML Processing into Java

2004-08-09 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Hunsberger, Peter wrote: I saw this go by on the xml-dev list this morning and my first thought was "boy, there would be a way to make the sitemap even harder to work with". After looking at it closer I'm not sure exactly how you could make a sitemap with this combination, though from the descript

Re: [RT] A Groovy Kind of Sitemap

2004-07-31 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Pier Fumagalli wrote: On 31 Jul 2004, at 02:26, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Pier Fumagalli wrote: On 28 Jul 2004, at 19:00, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Personally, I like it as XML. :-) Don't get me wrong, it's not that I don't like it... but many times it felt just too verbose for th

[proposal - take 2] Whiteboard Branches

2004-07-30 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
The private branches proposal didn't fly, so let's try again. Same thing as the previous proposal but with the "whiteboard" name, "playground" kinda sucks and "research" would scare people way because it feels too serious. comments? -- Stefano. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Sign

Re: [RT] A Groovy Kind of Sitemap

2004-07-30 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Pier Fumagalli wrote: On 28 Jul 2004, at 19:00, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Personally, I like it as XML. :-) Don't get me wrong, it's not that I don't like it... but many times it felt just too verbose for the task... so it would be kinda cool to have the ability to have two syntax

Re: [RT] A Groovy Kind of Sitemap

2004-07-29 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Geoff Howard wrote: Why insert this stream of consiousness into this discussion? I have a gut feeling that something in this discussion could lead to a solution along these or totally new lines that cures this "uneasiness", or could make it even worse. I feel the same way: sitemap and flowscript s

Re: [proposal] Private Branches

2004-07-29 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Steven Noels wrote: On 29 Jul 2004, at 20:20, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: My proposal is to create a private branch for every committer that wants it and place it in http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/cocoon/private/[id] Thoughts? I know I'm at the verge of becoming a traditionalist, but IM

Gump Issue

2004-07-29 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Adam R. B. Jack wrote: BTW: It seems to have worked: http://brutus.apache.org/gump/public/cocoon-2.1/gump_work/update_cocoon-2.1.html Although it seems there may still be something to fix: http://brutus.apache.org/gump/public/cocoon-2.1/cocoon/gump_work/build_cocoon-2.1_cocoon.html http://brutus.a

[proposal] Private Branches

2004-07-29 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
I've been a strong believer in 'internal innovation', which means to give room for people to experiment. We have now migrated onto SVN, which unlike CVS, has a great deal of support for moving things around and merging different parts of the tree together. My proposal is to create a private br

Re: [GUMP][PATCH] cocoon seems to require log4j

2004-07-29 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Adam R. B. Jack wrote: Sorry, we were in the middle of switching to use SVN. Patches applied now to depend logging-log4j and to enable Gump to use our new SVN trunk. I knew that was occurring, I wasn't thinking, sorry. Thanks for working on it, and getting this done. Now you are using SVN with it'

Re: [RT] A Groovy Kind of Sitemap

2004-07-29 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Steven Noels wrote: On 29 Jul 2004, at 09:19, Marc Portier wrote: Rest assured I'm equally concerned with a number of other voices here about (using Ugo's wording) 'giving just more rope to hang yourself in' However, when I see people 'removing and merging' then I can only see less rope :-) IMHO

Re: [RT] A Groovy Kind of Sitemap

2004-07-28 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Conal Tuohy wrote: Stefano wrote: Conal Tuohy wrote: It's [XML sitemap syntax] also potentially useful for validation. Nop, wrong. There is no XMl validation language that can tell you if the sitemap is "valid" from a cocoon-logic point of view (for example there is no "class file name" datat

Re: [RT] A Groovy Kind of Sitemap

2004-07-28 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Guido Casper wrote: Leszek Gawron wrote: Guido Casper wrote: One thing to keep in mind is that the sitemap is a declarative thing (and the pointy brackets always remind us of that). While skripting the I think this is not true. For those who do not use flowscript sitemap became a "programming

Re: [RT] A Groovy Kind of Sitemap

2004-07-28 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Ugo Cei wrote: Il giorno 28/lug/04, alle 00:45, Stefano Mazzocchi ha scritto: Ugo Cei wrote: (you can find it in Butterfly's CVS) the SVN repository has been setup. It would be nice to have that development over on SVN since we could see what's going on ;-) I just finished r

Re: [RT] A Groovy Kind of Sitemap

2004-07-28 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Conal Tuohy wrote: Stefano wrote: The XML syntax makes sense only when you want to process the sitemap iteself via pipeline (for example, to generate an SVG poster of it via XSLT) And makes sense if you want to prevent people from adding scripting inside the pipelines (well, actions are kinda l

Re: [RT] A Groovy Kind of Sitemap

2004-07-27 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Vadim Gritsenko wrote: Tony Collen wrote: Corin Moss wrote: I guess if you'd really like a Groovy based sitemap declaration, then existing XML sitemaps could be pre-parsed into Groovy? Ugo and I were just talking about this on IRC. There's pretty much a 1-1 correspondence with the sitemap and th

Re: [RT] A Groovy Kind of Sitemap

2004-07-27 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Ugo Cei wrote: (you can find it in Butterfly's CVS) the SVN repository has been setup. It would be nice to have that development over on SVN since we could see what's going on ;-) -- Stefano. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature

Re: [RT] A Groovy Kind of Sitemap

2004-07-27 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Ugo Cei wrote: Dear Cocooners, while working on Butterfly, I started looking at the TreeProcessor and I was astonished at the number of classes I have to port, if I want to reimplement it: o.a.c.components.treeprocessor: 26 classes o.a.c.components.treeprocessor.sitemap: 44 classes o.a.c.compone

[brief] my pov

2004-07-22 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
before people get scared, here is my pov on butterfly: I like action. Ugo can feel free to do and show us whatever he wants in his private directory in SVN and to talk about it (just like it happened for many other people that wondered off on their own) My only concern is: careful about building

Re: [butterfly] spring dependant tests (was Re: The Butterfly Manifesto (was Re: [RT] Spring+JMX == Real Blocks?))

2004-07-22 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Ugo Cei wrote: Il giorno 22/lug/04, alle 15:17, Nicola Ken Barozzi ha scritto: As I tried to explain, as a Cocoon committer you should be able to experiment in a branch. As soon as the SVN conversion is over, you can create a butterfly branch and all Cocooon committers can work there if they wan

Re: [fyi] one liners from me

2004-07-22 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Leo Sutic wrote: Stefano, who has much better things to do to damage his physical and mental health. You forgot the "than" between the "do" and "to", but I guess that just made the quote somewhat more profound. no, didn't forget anything -- Stefano. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Sig

Re: [fyi] one liners from me

2004-07-22 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Matthew Langham wrote: this is all I will say on the subject. Which is a pity, because you sent the first email and not the second. http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=avalon-dev&m=102448949805295&w=2 Matthew matthew, I can't type! -- Stefano. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature

[FYI] JSR 170-based webdav repository

2004-07-22 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
dear experts, as you might have already seen the jsr-170-browser at http://jsr170tools.day.com is now online and downloadable in its third version (v0.3) of course the underlying reference implementation is constantly checked in to the jakarta cvs. that CVS is jakarta-slide/proposals/jcrri it now

[fyi] one liners from me

2004-07-22 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
my wrists hurt *very* bad from too much f*g typing about f***ing fixing f***ing communities that don't have a grip on reality and that are hurting us. therefore my oneliner emails, so if you get pissed because you feel I'm being dismissive, get over it. now, people want to move from a comm

Re: The Butterfly Manifesto (was Re: [RT] Spring+JMX == Real Blocks?)

2004-07-22 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Marc Portier wrote: Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: For sure it doesn't save us energy, we already have that container build. Cost of building is a fraction of the cost of maintaining? dude, have you ever tried to change anything in the avalon framework? -- Stefano. smime.p7s Description: S

Re: The Butterfly Manifesto (was Re: [RT] Spring+JMX == Real Blocks?)

2004-07-22 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Jorg Heymans wrote: Ugo, tests help but don't really buy us anything: have a community that is strong and diverse enough to do the regression testing for us. In a commercial world this would sound like : "Have enough customers that are willing to put up with the bugs we could (might) have caugh

Re: [RT] Virtual Sitemap Components

2004-07-22 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Carsten Ziegeler wrote: Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Any Action can be re-written as a Matcher in 10-15 seconds (only exception is this redirect mentioned above... shall we remove redirector from action interface? ;-) ). Thus, I totally miss the point why actions should be disallowed. because

Re: The Butterfly Manifesto (was Re: [RT] Spring+JMX == Real Blocks?)

2004-07-22 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Ralph Goers wrote: Let's not mix concerns: cocoon has few tests, agreed, but this has nothing to do with the architecture. It does in the sense that you can't prove that you haven't "broken" it. Avalon is not the reason why people didn't write tests for cocoon. This is an open source project and

Re: The Butterfly Manifesto (was Re: [RT] Spring+JMX == Real Blocks?)

2004-07-21 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Ugo Cei wrote: Il giorno 12/lug/04, alle 18:23, Marc Portier ha scritto: think so too, just needs more wild thinking and somebody doing :-) Since I'm getting more and more bored with my daytime job, I ended up doing something: http://wiki.apache.org/cocoon/ButterflyManifesto Comments are welcome

Re: The Butterfly Manifesto (was Re: [RT] Spring+JMX == Real Blocks?)

2004-07-21 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Ugo Cei wrote: Il giorno 21/lug/04, alle 13:37, Leo Sutic ha scritto: 1. "Butterfly is an experiment aiming to implement a (simplified) Cocoon clone but based on Spring instead of Hibernate" Don't you mean: "based on Spring instead of Avalon" Of course. Typo corrected. 2. "Strive for 100% unit tes

Re: [RT] Virtual Sitemap Components

2004-07-21 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Vadim Gritsenko wrote: Sylvain Wallez wrote: Reinhard Poetz wrote: I have the same understanding after reading the whole thread. Though I'm not sure if we have consensus on actions. Anyway, what will be the order of execution of actions? IIUC all actions within a pipeline are execute *before* t

Re: [RT] Virtual Sitemap Components

2004-07-19 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Vadim Gritsenko wrote: I mean: do not allow labels on internals of VPC / do not process such labels. For the purposes of view creation, consider VPC as an atomic component. Why? what does this buy you? I agree that in case of label collision the VPC as a whole should take precedence, but I don't

Re: we're light green people

2004-07-19 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Leszek Gawron wrote: http://barba.dat.escet.urjc.es:9080/libresoft/14 yep, saw that already, but I think they are using the algorithm in a rather useless way. when I'll have time (probably when I retire ) I'll do something about this. ;-) but I give them credit: using CVS co-authorship is a cle

Re: cvs commit: cocoon-2.1/src/blocks/slide/samples flow.js

2004-07-18 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: fix the slide samples again after stephan's refactorings of a few months ago apparently broke half of them. I find it unexceptable that I would have to loose half a day to fix the fumbling failures of people that apparently don't take the time to test their dubiou

Re: [RT] Virtual Sitemap Components

2004-07-17 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Sylvain Wallez wrote: Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Sylvain Wallez wrote: We also have to define how views behave with virtual components, and I admit not to have a clear idea on this subject... Hmmm, I don't see a real issue. A view is a label reaction and a virtual serializer. I expect peop

Re: [RT] Virtual Sitemap Components

2004-07-16 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Sylvain Wallez wrote: So, to sum up: +1 for , and -1 for , and and makes sense, +1 We also have to define how views behave with virtual components, and I admit not to have a clear idea on this subject... Hmmm, I don't see a real issue. A view is a label reaction and a virtual serializer. I

Re: [RT] Virtual Sitemap Components

2004-07-16 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Sylvain Wallez wrote: Carsten Ziegeler wrote: I want to start the implementation of the virtual sitemap components in the next weeks; but before, we should discuss how they will look like :) The first point - and imho most important point is, of which components a virtual sitemap component (VSC)

Re: Native JVM Continuations

2004-07-13 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Torsten Curdt wrote: Anyone know anyone (or happen to be someone) who is widely familiar with continuations as a language feature, who has spare time (ha!), and might be interested in seeing them go native in Java? You might want to ask the guys that have been implementing it in Cocoon. In stri

Re: OWLQLTransfomer + RDQLTransformer

2004-07-12 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Halgurt Mustafa-Ali wrote: Hi Stefano, I sent you the code an the example, please look at it and feed back. Coming up. -- Stefano. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature

Re: OWLQLTransfomer + RDQLTransformer

2004-07-09 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Halgurt Mustafa-Ali wrote: Hi, Quite fine, I will send you the Code and an Exapmle on Monday, because I have to clear some questions with my Professor. Shal I write user documentation? Or is the java doc enough? having docs won't hurt, but I'd rather see the code first and the docs later than ha

Re: advice

2004-07-09 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Carsten Ziegeler wrote: Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Carsten Ziegeler wrote: Great idea! Let's do that. The only problem I see is that we can't tag 2.1.6 if we do it this way! What about 2.1.5bis? [bis is latin for "second", used in italian law a lot for these kind of things,

Re: Cocoon 2.1.5 as a FreeBSD port

2004-07-08 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Ralph Goers wrote: Out of curiosity, why does one need to "port" a pure Java app to FreeBSD? The GUI sounds good though. Can it be incorporated into Cocoon? nonono A "port" in FreeBSD is a package, like an RPM or a DEB package for linux. -- Stefano. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic S

Re: OWLQLTransfomer + RDQLTransformer

2004-07-08 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Halgurt Mustafa-Ali wrote: Hi all, I am a student of the technical university in Munich. I am working on a software development project. I wrote 2 Transformers. both for extracting data from knowledge bases (OWL, RDF, DAML etc). The RADQTransformer uses rdql (RDF query language), it works like t

Re: Cocoon 2.1.5 as a FreeBSD port

2004-07-08 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Sylvain Wallez wrote: Hi all, Jean-Baptiste Quenot, a colleague of mine, made a FreeBSD port of Cocoon 2.1.5, replacing the previous one which was based on... Cocoon 1.8.3!! See http://www.freshports.org/textproc/cocoon/ The port includes a GUI to specify which blocks are to be included by the b

Re: advice

2004-07-08 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Andreas Kuckartz wrote: Dirk-Willem van Gulik wrote: what happened on a sunny day in 2004 the day we are in hostile takeover talks with the by then virtual monopolist RHSCO. That will only happen in a few parallel universes. After experiencing what a few votes in florida can do, I wouldn't be so d

Re: advice

2004-07-08 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Carsten Ziegeler wrote: Great idea! Let's do that. The only problem I see is that we can't tag 2.1.6 if we do it this way! What about 2.1.5bis? [bis is latin for "second", used in italian law a lot for these kind of things, Gianugo knows better since he's a lawyer ;-)] -- Stefano. smime.p7s Des

Re: Native JVM Continuations

2004-07-07 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Tony Collen wrote: James Strachan writes [1]: "Spent a great afternoon & evening with John Rose from Sun (compiler & VM team), who's on the Groovy JSR - we've managed to figure out many of the gremlins in the language. Plus I learnt quite a bit about the JVM. e.g. it might not be that hard to im

Re: NekoHTMLGenerator and Gump

2004-07-07 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Upayavira wrote: I have written a simple NekoHTMLGenerator, much like the existing one, but based around NekoHTML. This does much less clever stuff compared to JTidy, and parses to SAX events instead of via a DOM object, which should be much more efficient. I have also been told by one happy use

advice

2004-07-07 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Pier just found out that due to a build script problem, Cocoon 2.1.5 was released without the LICENSE.txt and NOTICE.txt files. This has now been fixed (thanks to Carsten) so next release will contain those files. Now, should we do anything? Replacing that release with a fresh one with those fi

Re: [CONTRIB] css engine

2004-07-03 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
BURGHARD Éric wrote: Hi again, I just finished a css engine which we use in our project which can help you to virtualize all your css in a pipeline, and handle browser specificities in a clean way (no more css syntax hacking). Perhaps it could be valuable for others. Here is the description: - it's

Re: Cocoon is not maven! (was Cocoon is not gump)

2004-07-01 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Ralph Goers wrote: I took a look at maven's mailing list. Their approach to this is to have a POM (Project Object Model) for each jar. From this a maven goal could be used to get the source from the correct CVS directly into your own repository. This would, in fact, solve the problem where it sho

Re: Cocoon is not gump!

2004-07-01 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Vadim Gritsenko wrote: Ralph Goers wrote: Frankly, this is where maven would really help as all these jars would not be included with the Cocoon distribution but be coming from a central repository. It would then be just as easy to put a jar of the source in the repository as the binary jar. Th

Re: Cocoon is not gump!

2004-06-30 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Sylvain Wallez wrote: Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Sylvain Wallez wrote: Now it seem not everybody agrees with or understand these concerns. Those who do will use -Dinclude.source-in-jars when building their unofficial distros, and will fetch 3rd party sources using the timestamp included in the

Re: Cocoon is not gump!

2004-06-29 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Sylvain Wallez wrote: Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Antonio Gallardo wrote: I don't talked about forking. My POV is, why to see the code? It is not enough to know that a 3rd party lib is broken. Contact the right community and check if there is already a patch for the problem? IMHO it is easier

Re: Cocoon is not gump!

2004-06-29 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Antonio Gallardo wrote: I don't talked about forking. My POV is, why to see the code? It is not enough to know that a 3rd party lib is broken. Contact the right community and check if there is already a patch for the problem? IMHO it is easier than debug it yourself. The chances a fix is there is v

Re: Contents of our NOTICE.txt

2004-06-28 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Davanum Srinivas wrote: with a Google Number of 18,900i don't think so :) :) (http://www.google.com/search?q=stefano+mazzocchi). Then there's always the http://www.waybackmachine.org/ to look us all up when we kick the bucket and fall off google's radar :) [for the record

Re: Contents of our NOTICE.txt

2004-06-28 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Sylvain Wallez wrote: Hi all, Re-reading the ASL 2.0 and looking at our NOTICE.txt, I don't think its content is appropriate, considering that this file is the attribution notice that must be included in every derivative work. With ASL 1.1 the only attribution needed was "This product includes

Re: Playing with the JCR RI

2004-06-24 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Ugo Cei wrote: Il giorno 24/giu/04, alle 18:23, Stefano Mazzocchi ha scritto: But I do think it makes sense to have general pipeline components that are able to read and write into a JCR repository anyway, but probably a Source would be better in this regard. Hmmm, I thought you were somewhat

Re: Playing with the JCR RI

2004-06-24 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Ugo Cei wrote: Dear Cocooners, I've just started to take a look at the JCR (a.k.a. JSR-170) Reference Implementation from Slide, after having read the latest JSR draft, and I feel like exploring the possibilities of its usage inside Cocoon. First thing I tried to do is an implementation of the

Re: [RT] The Cocoon Handbook

2004-06-24 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Vadim Gritsenko wrote: Tony Collen wrote: Upayavira wrote: Tony, I think I'd say simply that Cocoon operates as a 'do-ocracy'. He who does, chooses (usually!). It is widely accepted that something needs to happen on the docs. And really, what it is going to take is someone just getting on and do

Re: Removing groovy

2004-06-17 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Gianugo Rabellino wrote: c) a much faster XSLT rendering because of NIO-aware XSL engines (not that I'm aware of); [sound of star trek theme fading in] What's next? teleporting? no, seriously, the only thing that NIO introduced is memory-mapped files, which are great since now you can (finally!)

Re: Removing groovy

2004-06-17 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Steven Noels wrote: Groovy in itself it's just not enough to justify cutting out JDK 1.3. users. +0.5 on that one - I was just trying to make a general point. 1.3 has been released eons ago. Even COBOL... but still runs lots of the banking software worldwide (which java is only in recent years

Re: Use of the what command with java code

2004-06-09 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Sylvain Wallez wrote: Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Even better would be to have "directly" the URL that would return you the source file. SVN is already web based, you don't need viewcvs or anything else, just the right URL (do a tcpflow dump of the SVN client over http and you k

Re: Use of the what command with java code

2004-06-09 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: Le 9 juin 04, à 11:24, Sylvain Wallez a écrit : ...There's a problem with Antonio's proposal: people that download the official release don't have the source control information (be it CVS or SVN), yet still have to build their own copy of Cocoon... Not sure if I under

Re: JSR 170 Public Review

2004-06-08 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Paul Russell wrote: Hi Stefano, After long awaiting, I'm happy to annouce the public availability of the JSR 170 Java Content API Specification for public review. Do you know if there's going to be any 'RI' style implementation of the API? I'm really interested in this, and I'm really wanting to

Re: Redesigning the Samples

2004-06-07 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Tony Collen wrote: Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Tony, as wrote in my previous email, the logo was designed to be simple, with a few colors, in order to be easier to print on things. Your version of the logo, although graphically more appealing, is too complex for that. Also, simply put, we don&#

Re: Redesigning the Samples

2004-06-06 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Tony Collen wrote: David Crossley wrote: Erk, i do not want to pour water on your efforts, but i was already really happy with the original design. The only thing that i would have changed would be to make the top part of the page be even more compact. Welp, my personal opinion was that (putting i

Re: Redesigning the Samples

2004-06-06 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Vadim Gritsenko wrote: Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: -1 to the logo change. Any particular reason? Would you object to say, color change only? Or to slight letter shape changes? Read what Sylvain wrote: changing in such a radical way dilutes the brand. why radical? well, logos shouldn't be shad

Re: [RT] - A Groovy Flow Engine is in my hard drive! ;-)

2004-06-06 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Antonio Gallardo wrote: Hi: After 11 hours of work, the first implementation of a Groovy Flow engine for Cocoon is working on my hard drive. It is based in the yesterday stephan work. (Thanks, Stephan!). The initial sample is the calculator sample. The forms sample still don't work. I think I wrote

Re: Redesigning the Samples

2004-06-05 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Tony Collen wrote: As some of you may have seen, I've been poking around in the CSS of the samples lately. I've been playing around with the design in Photoshop, and I've come up with a design that I think is Pretty Damn Good(tm) Screenshot at: http://rose.ce.umn.edu/images/misc/cocoon-mockup.g

Re: Removing sitemap's check-reload attribute

2004-06-04 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Sylvain Wallez wrote: Working on the TreeProcessor, I noticed "check-reload" that exists on whose existence I nearly forgot about, and was wondering about its actual usefulness, furthermore considering that it defaults to true (i.e. reload when needed) There are lots and lots of places in Coco

JSR 170 Public Review

2004-06-04 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
After long awaiting, I'm happy to annouce the public availability of the JSR 170 Java Content API Specification for public review. Find it here: http://jcp.org/aboutJava/communityprocess/review/jsr170/index.html Note that the review ends July 19, so if you have any feedback please send it to m

Re: [CVS->SVN] Cocoon switching to SVN

2004-06-04 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Brian W. Fitzpatrick wrote: On Wed, 2004-05-26 at 04:04, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: The Cocoon project has decided to move to subversion, so we need your help, along with an indication about when it can be done. TIA We need to export cocoon-2.1 cocoon-2.2 cocoon-site Nicola, Thanks for the

Re: [heads up] PMC chair nominations

2004-06-03 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Steven Noels wrote: On 31 May 2004, at 12:25, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: The ASF board decided not to accept Steven's resigns until the PMC itself came up with a new informed decision on who should follow him. This means that Steven remains the chair until the board ratifies it. (I've

Re: [heads up] PMC chair nominations

2004-05-31 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: The ASF board decided not to accept Steven's resigns until the PMC itself came up with a new informed decision on who should follow him. This means that Steven remains the chair until the board ratifies it. Here I would like to start the nominations (in no parti

[heads up] PMC chair nominations

2004-05-31 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
The ASF board decided not to accept Steven's resigns until the PMC itself came up with a new informed decision on who should follow him. This means that Steven remains the chair until the board ratifies it. Here I would like to start the nominations (in no particular order): - Vadim Gritsenko -

Re: Fed up with build discussions: proposed deal

2004-05-28 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: ... Deal? No, first somebody has to explain to me what's the problem with the current build system. The current version is actually quite well structured, especially with the main build. The main problems are wi

Re: Large xml's in cocoon

2004-05-28 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Ugo Cei wrote: Il giorno 28/mag/04, alle 03:26, Stefano Mazzocchi ha scritto: Hmmm, Anna is right to report the problem though. I mean, why in hell an OutOfMemoryException get swollen like that? Swollen? I think you mean "swallowed" here. eheh, right :-) [maybe my mind thought o

Re: Large xml's in cocoon

2004-05-28 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Antonio Gallardo wrote: Stefano Mazzocchi dijo: Hmmm, Anna is right to report the problem though. I mean, why in hell an OutOfMemoryException get swollen like that? Not sure. I don't think we are swollen the exception in this case. But I am not the best knowledge to tell that. ;-) What I can

Re: Large xml's in cocoon

2004-05-27 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Antonio Gallardo wrote: Anna Bikkina dijo: Hi, I have a xml file that contains database rows. If the number of rows are greater than 5000 then cocoon fails to tranform them to html and display them. It gives a blank page with no errors. Has anyone experienced this before? Is there a way I can make

Re: [RT] Logging in Cocoon

2004-05-27 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Carsten Ziegeler wrote: Many have suggested this in the past and as Ugo mentioned it yesterday, I think it's time to check our logging strategy. Currently we use LogKit as our base logging system. Unfortunately we are using third party components that either use Log4J or commons-logging. So in the

Re: Fed up with build discussions: proposed deal

2004-05-27 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Steven Noels wrote: I say that nicola works on his version and if somebody wants (antonio?) they can work on the maven version and then we decide. Seems fair to me. Do Depot & Maven agree on repository layout and artefact distribution? I would be surprised if they did. -- Stefano. smime.p7s Des

Re: Fed up with build discussions: proposed deal

2004-05-27 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Steven Noels wrote: For these and other issues, we are unfortunately being forced now to do our own thing in order to provide our customer with something we are able to support and defend both technically and legally. I'll miss the continuations concept though. :-/ Can you tell us more about thi

Re: Fed up with build discussions: proposed deal

2004-05-26 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Steven Noels wrote: Care to comment about the other points? I cannot help myself thinking that Cocoon's adoption of Depot is more important for them than for us. I share that perception. But I think you understand that unlike Nicola, I'm not against Maven for personal reasons. Of course Gump is

Re: Fed up with build discussions: proposed deal

2004-05-26 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Steven Noels wrote: it does not work with Gump That's a burden indeed. I consider this a roadblock for maven adoption. -- Stefano. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature

Re: Fed up with build discussions: proposed deal

2004-05-26 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: Ok, so I'm really getting fed up with these build discussions, and if we don't give it a break they will continue to grow. Some people here are not satisfied with our build system, and advocate Maven. I definately agree with the first part, and am, for technical but al

Re: VERY odd exceptions...

2004-05-25 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Antonio Gallardo wrote: Stefano Mazzocchi dijo: There is a proposal for the creation of an Excalibur TLP that will be discussed tomorrow by the ASF board. If that passes, I would expect things to run a little more smoothly on the community side. Nothing against Excalibur and other projects try to

Re: VERY odd exceptions...

2004-05-25 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Pier Fumagalli wrote: Now, if my patch works, given that this is not a bug in our code, how do we go in sticking that into the Excalibur CVS and re-release now that community of that project has collapsed? There is a proposal for the creation of an Excalibur TLP that will be discussed tomorrow b

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