Re: [proposal] Cleaning up our component library

2004-02-01 Thread Geoff Howard
Geoff Howard wrote: Reinhard Poetz wrote: From: Sylvain Wallez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The source-copy action already exists in o.a.c.acting.CopySourceAction, and the o.a.c.c.flow.util.PipelineUtil class could easily be generalized to any source, and not only cocoon:. Thanks for your

RE: [proposal] Cleaning up our component library

2004-01-30 Thread Reinhard Poetz
From: Sylvain Wallez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The source-copy action already exists in o.a.c.acting.CopySourceAction, and the o.a.c.c.flow.util.PipelineUtil class could easily be generalized to any source, and not only cocoon:. Thanks for your answer and confirming that this would

Re: [proposal] Cleaning up our component library

2004-01-30 Thread Geoff Howard
Reinhard Poetz wrote: From: Sylvain Wallez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The source-copy action already exists in o.a.c.acting.CopySourceAction, and the o.a.c.c.flow.util.PipelineUtil class could easily be generalized to any source, and not only cocoon:. Thanks for your answer and confirming

FW: [proposal] Cleaning up our component library

2004-01-28 Thread Ralph Goers
Darn. Meant for this to go to the list, not to you directly. -Original Message- From: Ralph Goers To: 'Joerg Heinicke ' Sent: 1/27/2004 9:06 PM Subject: RE: [proposal] Cleaning up our component library I realise I am fairly new to Cocoon and my opinion probably doesn't carry as much

Re: [proposal] Cleaning up our component library

2004-01-28 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Mercredi, 28 jan 2004, à 02:40 Europe/Zurich, Joerg Heinicke a écrit : One problem often mentioned is that Cocoon provides to many possibilities to achieve some goals. Cocoon's flexibility ends where it is more confusing than helpful. Therefore I want to propose to remove/deprecate the

Re: FW: [proposal] Cleaning up our component library

2004-01-28 Thread Bruno Dumon
On Wed, 2004-01-28 at 08:43, Ralph Goers wrote: snip/ We'd love to use Woody (aka Cocoon Forms), but if it can be used without FlowScript it isn't obvious. So we will be using the SimpleFormTransformer etc., for the forseeable future. Woody doesn't require flowscript. While flowscript

Re: [proposal] Cleaning up our component library

2004-01-28 Thread Steven Noels
On Jan 28, 2004, at 8:43 AM, Ralph Goers wrote: We'd love to use Woody (aka Cocoon Forms), but if it can be used without FlowScript it isn't obvious. Woody and FlowScript should be totally independent from each other. Much of the fun stuff lately has been done in the JS utility library, but

Re: [proposal] Cleaning up our component library

2004-01-28 Thread Andreas Hartmann
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: Le Mercredi, 28 jan 2004, à 02:40 Europe/Zurich, Joerg Heinicke a écrit : [...] ...I propose to deprecate those components in 2.1 and to remove them in 2.2... In cases where this just needs sitemap changes, no problem. But if deprecation requires code changes to

Re: [proposal] Cleaning up our component library

2004-01-28 Thread Joerg Heinicke
On 28.01.2004 10:55, Andreas Hartmann wrote: b) maybe add an option to throw an exception when such components are used (strict deprecation) This sounds very useful. There are some non-IDE users in our community who aren't that much aware of deprecation. Could it be switched on/off globally?

Re: [proposal] Cleaning up our component library

2004-01-28 Thread Joerg Heinicke
On 28.01.2004 07:52, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: One problem often mentioned is that Cocoon provides to many possibilities to achieve some goals. Cocoon's flexibility ends where it is more confusing than helpful. Therefore I want to propose to remove/deprecate the components that are no longer

RE: [proposal] Cleaning up our component library

2004-01-28 Thread Reinhard Poetz
From: Joerg Heinicke One problem often mentioned is that Cocoon provides to many possibilities to achieve some goals. Cocoon's flexibility ends where it is more confusing than helpful. Therefore I want to propose to remove/deprecate the components that are no longer the correct way to

RE: [proposal] Cleaning up our component library

2004-01-28 Thread Carsten Ziegeler
Joerg Heinicke wrote: So alltogether: a) Components that are just renamed or replaced with only sitemap changes (FileGenerator = XMLGenerator, DirectoryGenerator = TraversableGenerator (or however it is called ;-) ), StreamGenerator = XMLGenerator + ModuleSource) are deprecated in 2.1

Re: [proposal] Cleaning up our component library

2004-01-28 Thread Vadim Gritsenko
Carsten Ziegeler wrote: Joerg Heinicke wrote: So alltogether: a) Components that are just renamed or replaced with only sitemap changes (FileGenerator = XMLGenerator, DirectoryGenerator = TraversableGenerator (or however it is called ;-) ), StreamGenerator = XMLGenerator + ModuleSource)

RE: [proposal] Cleaning up our component library

2004-01-28 Thread Hunsberger, Peter
Ralph Goers [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Our environment has special security concerns that just won't allow a scripting language - or even JSPs or XSPs for that matter. Ok, I'll bite; why single out scripting languages and dynamically produced pages? What about dynamically compiled Java?

Re: [proposal] Cleaning up our component library

2004-01-28 Thread Geoff Howard
Vadim Gritsenko wrote: Carsten Ziegeler wrote: Joerg Heinicke wrote: So alltogether: a) Components that are just renamed or replaced with only sitemap changes (FileGenerator = XMLGenerator, DirectoryGenerator = TraversableGenerator (or however it is called ;-) ), StreamGenerator =

Re: FW: [proposal] Cleaning up our component library

2004-01-28 Thread Vadim Gritsenko
Bruno Dumon wrote: On Wed, 2004-01-28 at 08:43, Ralph Goers wrote: snip/ We'd love to use Woody (aka Cocoon Forms), but if it can be used without FlowScript it isn't obvious. So we will be using the SimpleFormTransformer etc., for the forseeable future. Woody doesn't require flowscript.

RE: [proposal] Cleaning up our component library

2004-01-28 Thread Reinhard Poetz
From: Carsten Ziegeler Joerg Heinicke wrote: So alltogether: a) Components that are just renamed or replaced with only sitemap changes (FileGenerator = XMLGenerator, DirectoryGenerator = TraversableGenerator (or however it is called ;-) ), StreamGenerator = XMLGenerator +

RE: [proposal] Cleaning up our component library

2004-01-28 Thread Ralph Goers
for that. I really don't want to have to reimplement a bunch of stuff. -Original Message- From: Geoff Howard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 7:45 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [proposal] Cleaning up our component library What about doing weak deprecation

Re: [proposal] Cleaning up our component library

2004-01-28 Thread Vadim Gritsenko
Geoff Howard wrote: Vadim Gritsenko wrote: And we should only move things into the deprecated part if there is a usable alternative. IMHO, using flow instead of a transformer isn't really an alternative as the overhead is way to much (just my opinion here). -1 to replacing of

RE: [proposal] Cleaning up our component library

2004-01-28 Thread Ralph Goers
: [proposal] Cleaning up our component library I mean that there is already an action written to copy sources, if I'm not mistaken, which can copy one sosurce to another. Combined with cocoon protocol and all other protocols you can do a lot with it. But I'm not saying that I've analyzed all use

RE: [proposal] Cleaning up our component library

2004-01-28 Thread Hunsberger, Peter
Joerg Heinicke [EMAIL PROTECTED] proposes: snip on discussion about components to be deprecated/ I propose to deprecate those components in 2.1 and to remove them in 2.2. Yes please! As Cocoon grows it gets harder and harder to see the real direction it is heading as long as it continues

RE: [proposal] Cleaning up our component library

2004-01-28 Thread Ralph Goers
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 12:30 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [proposal] Cleaning up our component library On Jan 28, 2004, at 8:43 AM, Ralph Goers wrote: We'd love to use Woody (aka Cocoon Forms), but if it can be used without FlowScript it isn't

Re: [proposal] Cleaning up our component library

2004-01-28 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Mercredi, 28 jan 2004, à 11:52 Europe/Zurich, Joerg Heinicke a écrit : ...With our deprecated block we have another mean to lead the user to the new components. When it's excluded the application will just not work. But I don't know if this is true for 2.2 and real blocks too... hmm...I

Re: [proposal] Cleaning up our component library

2004-01-28 Thread Joerg Heinicke
On 28.01.2004 16:44, Geoff Howard wrote: So alltogether: a) Components that are just renamed or replaced with only sitemap changes (FileGenerator = XMLGenerator, DirectoryGenerator = TraversableGenerator (or however it is called ;-) ), StreamGenerator = XMLGenerator + ModuleSource) are

[proposal] Cleaning up our component library

2004-01-27 Thread Joerg Heinicke
One problem often mentioned is that Cocoon provides to many possibilities to achieve some goals. Cocoon's flexibility ends where it is more confusing than helpful. Therefore I want to propose to remove/deprecate the components that are no longer the correct way to go, that are misleading by