Re: CocoonForms compared with JSF

2003-11-24 Thread Sylvain Wallez
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: On 23 Nov 2003, at 22:04, Bruno Dumon wrote: OTOH, renderkits not only abstract the rendering but also the decoding of request parameters, so that's a point where they are more flexibile then Woody, where it is all hardcoded in the widgets (and assumes HTML-like behaviour

Re: CocoonForms compared with JSF

2003-11-24 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
On 23 Nov 2003, at 22:04, Bruno Dumon wrote: OTOH, renderkits not only abstract the rendering but also the decoding of request parameters, so that's a point where they are more flexibile then Woody, where it is all hardcoded in the widgets (and assumes HTML-like behaviour). Do you see value in tha

Re: CocoonForms compared with JSF

2003-11-24 Thread Bruno Dumon
On Mon, 2003-11-24 at 01:18, Erik Bruchez wrote: > >>I just laughed. It will be a very hard job for any JSF proponent to > >>convince multi-channel-intensive users to follow that renderkits road. > >>I don't envy them at all ;-) > > > > > > They'll probably defend by saying you can write a re

RE: CocoonForms compared with JSF

2003-11-24 Thread Reinhard Poetz
From: Erik Bruchez > >>I just laughed. It will be a very hard job for any JSF > proponent to >>convince multi-channel-intensive users to > follow that renderkits road. >>I don't envy them at all ;-) > > > > They'll probably defend by saying you can write a > renderkit that > produces X

Re: CocoonForms compared with JSF

2003-11-24 Thread Steven Noels
On Nov 24, 2003, at 1:18 AM, Erik Bruchez wrote: This being said, for those who judge techologies without reading the specs (or who read them too fast), there is nothing in JavaServer Faces that forces you to use JSP or that limits you to outputting a character stream from a renderer. Amen. An im

RE: CocoonForms compared with JSF

2003-11-24 Thread Reinhard Poetz
> -Original Message- > From: Bruno Dumon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 5:06 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: CocoonForms compared with JSF > > > On Sat, 2003-11-22 at 14:24, Danny Bols wrote: > > > From: Reinha

Re: CocoonForms compared with JSF

2003-11-23 Thread Erik Bruchez
>>I just laughed. It will be a very hard job for any JSF proponent to >>convince multi-channel-intensive users to follow that renderkits road. >>I don't envy them at all ;-) > > > They'll probably defend by saying you can write a renderkit that > produces XML and put an XSL behind that. They won't

Re: CocoonForms compared with JSF

2003-11-23 Thread Bruno Dumon
On Sun, 2003-11-23 at 17:47, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: > On 22 Nov 2003, at 14:48, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > > > Le Samedi, 22 nov 2003, à 13:42 Europe/Zurich, Reinhard Poetz a écrit : > > > >> > >> Over the last days I had an offlist discussion with Sylvain and I > >> don't > >> want to keep b

Re: CocoonForms compared with JSF

2003-11-23 Thread Tony Collen
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: A XUL example would be *sweet*. Another one would be PDF-forms but I don't think FOP supports it. :-( (besides, how would we do this? xforms: inside fo:?) Nope, no PDF Forms from FOP.. :( PDF forms would be totally killer though. Tony

Re: CocoonForms compared with JSF

2003-11-23 Thread Matthew Langham
Ah, note, Craig told me that JSF are not bond to HTML. You implement a java class for each different channel of the "server face". That is true - but the fact of the matter is that there is currently only an HTML RenderKit for HTML 4.01 included [1]. Matthew [1] http://www.silent-penguin.com/a

Re: CocoonForms compared with JSF

2003-11-23 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
On 22 Nov 2003, at 14:48, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: Le Samedi, 22 nov 2003, à 13:42 Europe/Zurich, Reinhard Poetz a écrit : Over the last days I had an offlist discussion with Sylvain and I don't want to keep back a very nice summary of Sylvain comparing CocoonForms with JSF. I set up a Wiki pa

Re: CocoonForms compared with JSF

2003-11-23 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
On 22 Nov 2003, at 13:42, Reinhard Poetz wrote: Over the last days I had an offlist discussion with Sylvain and I don't want to keep back a very nice summary of Sylvain comparing CocoonForms with JSF. I set up a Wiki page: http://wiki.cocoondev.org/Wiki.jsp?page=CocoonFormsJSF We would be very int

RE: CocoonForms compared with JSF

2003-11-22 Thread Bruno Dumon
On Sat, 2003-11-22 at 14:24, Danny Bols wrote: > > From: Reinhard Poetz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: zaterdag 22 november 2003 13:42 > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: CocoonForms compared with JSF > > > > > > > > Over the last days I ha

Re: CocoonForms compared with JSF

2003-11-22 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Samedi, 22 nov 2003, à 13:42 Europe/Zurich, Reinhard Poetz a écrit : Over the last days I had an offlist discussion with Sylvain and I don't want to keep back a very nice summary of Sylvain comparing CocoonForms with JSF. I set up a Wiki page: http://wiki.cocoondev.org/Wiki.jsp?page=CocoonForms

RE: CocoonForms compared with JSF

2003-11-22 Thread Danny Bols
> From: Reinhard Poetz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: zaterdag 22 november 2003 13:42 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: CocoonForms compared with JSF > > > > Over the last days I had an offlist discussion with Sylvain and I don't > want to keep back a very n

CocoonForms compared with JSF

2003-11-22 Thread Reinhard Poetz
Over the last days I had an offlist discussion with Sylvain and I don't want to keep back a very nice summary of Sylvain comparing CocoonForms with JSF. I set up a Wiki page: http://wiki.cocoondev.org/Wiki.jsp?page=CocoonFormsJSF We would be very interested in your opinions because this will beco