Re: Build is busted

2003-07-03 Thread David Crossley
Vadim Gritsenko wrote: Hi all, Seems like current 2.1 build is screwed up. A bit. Issues at hands are: * jing is located in lib/optional but is used by build.xml. Is it used anywhere else? If no, it must be moved to tools/lib Okay, i have moved Jing to tools. I just commented-out the

Re: [Vote] Move flow related packages

2003-07-04 Thread David Crossley
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As you probably read at my previous mail [Flow] Status http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=xml-cocoon-devm=105722900706900w=2 there are 3 flow related packages which should go to the main trunk: [Vote 1] JXTemplateGenerator/Transformer Move the

Re: dos2unix (Was: cvs commit: cocoon-2.1/.../poi/hssf/elementsEPMerge.java)

2003-07-05 Thread David Crossley
David Crossley wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: joerg 2003/07/05 07:33:17 Modified: src/blocks/poi/java/org/apache/cocoon/components/elementprocessor/impl/poi/hssf/elements EPMerge.java Log: clean up line endings fixed The email diff

Re: cvs commit: cocoon-2.1/src/targets webapp-build.xml

2003-07-20 Thread David Crossley
Hi Stephan, would you please explain what you mean by this change. The jars.xml should be created and copied into the docs area. If it cannot, then there is something wrong with the build. Before your change, these both worked for me on Linux: ./build.sh clean; ./build.sh ./build.sh clean;

Re: deprecated, source resolver, test case mess

2003-07-24 Thread David Crossley
Stephan Michels wrote: Geoff Howard wrote: As many people know, excluding the deprecated classes from the build causes the test case compilation to fail which then kills the build. I started looking into why the test cases depend on the deprecated classes and have so far only been

Re: cvs commit: cocoon-2.1/src/targets webapp-build.xml

2003-07-24 Thread David Crossley
Hello Stephan, perhaps you missed this query from earlier this week. I was watching CVS commits and saw one go past that worried me. --David David Crossley wrote: Hi Stephan, would you please explain what you mean by this change. The jars.xml should be created and copied into the docs area

Re: [Vote] Ugo Cei and Marc Portier as Cocoon committers

2003-07-28 Thread David Crossley
Sylvain Wallez wrote: Hi team, I'd like to propose two people for Cocoon committership : Ugo Cei and Marc Portier. Ugo has been there for years (the archives show his first post back in July 2000!), has been an early adopter of flowscript and wrote the first Cocoon-based blogging

Re: [VOTE] Commit access for Guido Casper

2003-07-30 Thread David Crossley
Gianugo Rabellino wrote: I want to propose Guido Casper ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) as a new Cocoon committer. Please cast your votes. Here is my +1. +1 --David

subversion test (Was: [RT] Starting 2.2)

2003-09-02 Thread David Crossley
Jay, i wonder about your test with Subversion and importing Cocoon2 cvs. The cocoon repositories underwent some upheaval a while ago. Your import troubles may be related to that. I have found the approximate date when that occurred ... 2003-02-17 Perhaps that will help with your investigation.

distribution page needs clarification

2003-09-08 Thread David Crossley
Are the HTML files that make the /dist/cocoon/ page under cvs control somewhere or do i just edit them in place? There are a few clarifications that i want to make to the NOTES section. They are a bit misleading. --David

Re: Future build

2003-09-08 Thread David Crossley
Antonio Gallardo wrote: snip/ As was posted before, the nightly snapshots are finding his own end life. The cvs are superseed this type of distribution. Did i miss something? Are the nightly snapshots going to be discontinued? I searched cocoon-dev archives on MARC and could not find relevant

Re: Future build

2003-09-08 Thread David Crossley
Antonio Gallardo wrote: Antonio Gallardo dijo: David Crossley dijo: Antonio Gallardo wrote: snip/ As was posted before, the nightly snapshots are finding his own end life. The cvs are superseed this type of distribution. Did i miss something? Are the nightly snapshots going

Re: Future build

2003-09-08 Thread David Crossley
Upayavira wrote: David Crossley wrote: Antonio Gallardo wrote: snip/ As was posted before, the nightly snapshots are finding his own end life. The cvs are superseed this type of distribution. Did i miss something? Are the nightly snapshots going to be discontinued? I searched cocoon

Re: Future build

2003-09-08 Thread David Crossley
Antonio Gallardo wrote: David Crossley dijo: snip/ Thanks for that clarification Antonio. We should note on the releases page that 'cvs co -D... is get another way to get the distribution. Snapshots serve a different purpose. I am ashamed for the mix of info. Maybe I need to slowdown my

[Vote] Antonio Gallardo and Tony Collen as Cocoon committers

2003-09-10 Thread David Crossley
I propose Antonio Gallardo and Tony Collen to be Cocoon committers. They have both been contributing lots of stuff and discussion on both cocoon-dev and cocoon-users since mid-2002. Here is my +1 for both. --David

Re: [Vote] Antonio Gallardo and Tony Collen as Cocoon committers

2003-09-11 Thread David Crossley
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: David Crossley wrote: I propose Antonio Gallardo and Tony Collen to be Cocoon committers. +1 for both, welcome! David, you beat us again in proposing people who deserve it ;-) :-) ... there are plenty more committed people out there for others to propose

Re: 'build forrest' broken?

2003-09-16 Thread David Crossley
Tony Collen wrote: David Crossley wrote: What version of Forrest do you have? I am using the current cvs. Note that there was an error with current Forrest CVS - fixed now, but that is not the error that you are reporting. Fresh CVS checkout/build from today. Still getting the same

Re: No support for SAX DTDHandler() - guidance please?

2003-09-17 Thread David Crossley
Hi Fred, i want to encourage you to persist with this. It is very important that an XML framework can deal with all aspects of XML. However i don't seem to have much guidance to offer you, so please keep asking questions. Hopefully these few tips will help ... The package

Re: [VOTE] Keep the docs list for wiki updates only

2003-09-23 Thread David Crossley
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: Just being slightly formal here to give everyone a chance to vote - I think we have consensus already. I have turned +1s to the proposal into votes below, please yell if you want to change your mind. The question on which to vote is: Should we close the [EMAIL

nxml mode for GNU Emacs

2003-10-01 Thread David Crossley
Serendipity ... i was browsing the excellent Cocoon samples and the aggregation/xmlhack showed this ... quote James Clark unveils a new XML mode for GNU Emacs More magic from James Clark: He's announced the alpha release of nXML, a new mode for editing XML documents from within GNU Emacs. It's a

RE: [BUG] Building docs failed

2003-10-02 Thread David Crossley
Carsten Ziegeler wrote: Joerg Heinicke wrote: I could build it with Forrest 0.5 some days ago. There was a thread about non-working Forrest, but WORKSFORME. Great :) Could you please update the cocoon-site cvs module with the generated docs? I could then update our website from the

RE: [BUG] Building docs failed

2003-10-02 Thread David Crossley
Carsten Ziegeler wrote: David Crossley wrote: How about just updating the changes.html page? Do we really need to do the whole site. There was a discussion about not updating the website until 2.2 because the documentation was re-arranged, thereby breaking URLs. Is that still

RE: [BUG] Building docs failed

2003-10-02 Thread David Crossley
to include the new content with the old menu? Yes, thought about it as well, but what about the PDF? I have used this d option on some sites. It works okay. Nah, just copy over the newly generated PDF - there are no menu links in there. David Crossley wrote: We have a dilemma

Re: [GT2003] heads up: Hackathon schedule updated

2003-10-03 Thread David Crossley
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: Marc Portier a écrit : ...we currently have the idea of having a large bord with post-it notes holding all the issues to be hacked so we can physically check them off (other ideas welcome) I will bring a printout of open Bugzilla issues as big labels on

Re: Cocoon website outdated.

2003-10-05 Thread David Crossley
Antonio Gallardo wrote: Hi: The news page at: http://cocoon.apache.org/news/index.html It does not show there is a 2.1.2 release! I will be glad to update all the site, but since I dont know the mechanics to update the site. I prefer to don't touch it at all. I will try to build on

Re: Cocoon website outdated.

2003-10-05 Thread David Crossley
Antonio Gallardo wrote: snip/ Some other outdated pages I saw are: http://cocoon.apache.org/changes.html http://cocoon.apache.org/history.html http://cocoon.apache.org/whoweare.html http://cocoon.apache.org/news/index.html I have some issues with the page The Cocoon Community

Re: [FYI] Apache Agora 1.2

2003-10-05 Thread David Crossley
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: It's with great pleasure that I announce the availability of Apache Agora 1.2. Great, thanks, will look at it soon. snip/ o) Added the ability to introduce time-based link decay which simulates the fact that the importance of a reply decays with time. snip/

successful Hackathon

2003-10-07 Thread David Crossley
Congratulations, the Hackathon appeared to be very successful from this side of the planet. It was great to watch the Wiki pages building (special thanks to Bertrand) and the blogs. I tried to wait up to see the Bugzilla flood, but it was too late. What a lovely thing the next morning to find

Re: successful Hackathon

2003-10-07 Thread David Crossley
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: David Croslsey wrote: It was great to watch the Wiki pages building (special thanks to Bertrand) and the blogs I've been saving the pages but the credit goes also to Jeremy and Steven - we wrote them together working at the same time on the same page

Re: [RT] FirstFriday - monthly virtual Hackathon

2003-10-08 Thread David Crossley
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: Not really an RT, this was suggested by David Crossley yesterday (or sometime earlier, my body clock feels funny this morning ;-) Could we have a monthly virtual hackathon on the first Friday of each month? Suggestions: -Takes place on the first Friday

Re: Why is the link to the wiki so far away ?

2003-10-08 Thread David Crossley
Thanks Litrik, i added a navigation menu item to both the top-level site and the 2.1 docs, and also a mention about documentation in general on the top-level index.html --David Litrik De Roy wrote: Remember during the GT2003 when Steven asked the audience whether they check the website or the

Re: [site docs] build failing

2003-10-08 Thread David Crossley
Tony Collen wrote: Hi everybody, In my never-ending quest to get the cocoon docs built with forrest, I've recently downloaded forrest-0.5.1-bin. I am now slightly further ahead than last time when I had some problems. Here's the output of my build (current CVS co): * [25]

Re: [site docs] build failing

2003-10-09 Thread David Crossley
Upayavira wrote: David Crossley wrote: snip/ You do get that vital hint if there are *no* broken links. Huh? If you build a site that *has no* broken links, then you will get a successful build, and a reminder to check the broken links file. If you build a site that *does have* broken

Re: [site docs] build failing

2003-10-09 Thread David Crossley
Upayavira wrote: David Crossley wrote: snip/ If you build a site that *has no* broken links, then you will get a successful build, and a reminder to check the broken links file. A reminder? I've never seen one. Is that provided by Forrest? Okay, it must be Forrest then. -- Please check

Proper filenames for all jars

2003-10-09 Thread David Crossley
antonioATapache.org wrote: antonio 2003/10/09 14:23:06 Modified:lib/endorsed xml-apis.jar Log: Updating xml.apis from Xerces 2.5.0. Suggested by Torten Curdt and Vadim Gritsenko. Hi Antonio, i have been intending to ask you to please assign the new ojb/lib/*.jar proper

Re: ResolverImpl test case broken again?

2003-10-10 Thread David Crossley
Ugo Cei wrote: David Crossley wrote: I tested your patch and that works fine on my system. Well done, i believe that you have fixed it. Would you please commit. I'll do this ASAP. So we can leave the resolver test cases there until we find something better to do with them. We really

Re: Track feature requests in bugzilla?

2003-10-10 Thread David Crossley
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: Joerg Heinicke a écrit: Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: ...Finally, saved queries help a lot, you can create the 4-5 queries that you need regularly and then mostly forget about the query page. I don't know if they exist in the 2.14.2 version that we're using,

Re: windows vs. file protocol paths

2003-10-10 Thread David Crossley
Joerg Heinicke wrote: map:match pattern=jh/** map:mount check-reload=yes src=file:///D:/xml/sitemap.xmap uri-prefix=jh/ /map:match finds the sitemap and searches for referenced stylesheets in this sitemap relative to *D:/xml* and so *finds* the stylesheets. map:match pattern=jh/**

Re: [RT] Updating the website

2003-10-10 Thread David Crossley
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: Carsten Ziegeler a écrit : ... c) We update and care a little bit about external links and redirect a 404 to let's say the start page +0.5 (meaning ok but cannot help ATM) but maybe to an explanations page (we're remodeling) instead of the start page

Re: Cocoon news feed?

2003-10-14 Thread David Crossley
Steven Noels wrote: Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: snip/ IIUC, Bertrand was suggesting at the content side of things, rather than the mechanism. I don't think it is in the interest of Forrest (now) to become a blogging tool, since this feature would presumably depend on some live instance of

Re: [WIKI-UPDATE] SandBox Tue Oct 14 10:00:12 2003

2003-10-14 Thread David Crossley
The anonymous cocoonwiki wrote: Page: http://wiki.cocoondev.org/Wiki.jsp?page=SandBox , version: 167 on Tue Oct 14 07:40:42 2003 by 211.9.56.226 + Can I write Japanese? #26085;#26412;#35486;#26360;#12369;#12414;#12377;#12363;#65374;#65311; + In community oversight mode .. Tetsuya,

Re: Cocoon news feed?

2003-10-14 Thread David Crossley
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: David Crossley a écrit : ...Gee, i am not sure what you are talking about Steven. Why do you think that a blogging tool is needed to do a simple publishing of news snippets? And why do you think that it needs to be a live webapp? We can still get prompt

Re: ResolverImpl test case broken again?

2003-10-16 Thread David Crossley
David Crossley wrote: snip/ If no-one says anything in the next few days, then i will remove the resolver testcases. They served their purpose here in Cocoon while developing the entity-resolver stuff, to ensure that it worked on all platforms. Okay, the deprecated entity resolver testcases

Re: [VOTE] Unico Hommes as a Cocoon/Forrest Committer [was: Re: [VOTE] Unico Hommes as a Forrest Committer]

2003-10-17 Thread David Crossley
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: Because of this, I propose Unico Hommes as a Cocoon committer. +1 from me --David

Re: Proper filenames for all jars

2003-10-17 Thread David Crossley
Torsten Curdt wrote: David Crossley wrote: snip/ Ah, poor old xml-commons. Unfortunately, not many people from other projects are interested in it. So it is very hard to get things moving. I think that we should try to help rather than push. All cocoon committers are also committers

RE: OJB Sample?? Or Block is missing...

2003-10-17 Thread David Crossley
JD Daniels wrote: snip/ The samples do not work.. NoClassDefFoundError: /com/sun/jdori/model/jdo/JDOModelException I look in the block.. and got confused about what exactly wants to throw it.. it doesn't exist in the jar Did you follow Antonio's instruction earlier in this thread about

Re: CLI: Cannot find catalogManager.properties

2003-10-18 Thread David Crossley
Upayavira wrote: By default, running the CLI gives an error Cannot find CatalogManager.properties. I've always just ignored it. Someone on user list has just commented that this error can confuse (as to whether it is okay to ignore it), which is fair enough. Can anyone explain how I

Re: Proper filenames for all jars

2003-10-18 Thread David Crossley
Torsten Curdt wrote: David Crossley wrote: Ah, poor old xml-commons. Unfortunately, not many people from other projects are interested in it. So it is very hard to get things moving. I think that we should try to help rather than push. All cocoon committers are also committers

Re: CLI: Cannot find catalogManager.properties

2003-10-18 Thread David Crossley
David Crossley wrote: Upayavira wrote: By default, running the CLI gives an error Cannot find CatalogManager.properties. I've always just ignored it. Someone on user list has just commented that this error can confuse (as to whether it is okay to ignore it), which is fair enough

[IMP] care with classpath (Was: CLI: Cannot find catalogManager.properties)

2003-10-18 Thread David Crossley
Important: I presume that everyone gets the jitters when messing with the classpath. So would someone else please verify that there are no side-effects. I also tested the Woody CarSelector. --David David Crossley wrote: David Crossley wrote: Upayavira wrote: By default, running the CLI

Re: [OT] Digital Video Amarcord

2003-10-19 Thread David Crossley
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: snip/ Thanks for doing this Stefano. It sounds like a big effort on your part, but well worth it for all of us. Expected size per presentation is around 50Mb/60Mb, which isn't bad at all. In case you have suggestions, yell now because each mistake is 8 hours of

Re: Finished Video Processing

2003-10-19 Thread David Crossley
Jeremy Quinn wrote: snip/ I ought to have a go at separating the audio and video tracks ... I just tried with mplayer -dumpaudio on Linux, but failed ... i think my installation to blame. (where to store them?). So users can choose, which they want to receive. Next to the videos and PDFs at

Re: Finished Video Processing

2003-10-19 Thread David Crossley
On Sun, 2003-10-19 at 23:08, Andrew Savory wrote: On Sun, 19 Oct 2003, Jeremy Quinn wrote: Note that we might be able to do automatic redirection to the closest mirror, just like geoip-based URL redirection. shouldn't be much different from the mirror.cgi we already have I'd love

Re: Forrest docs in old format.

2003-10-24 Thread David Crossley
Antonio Gallardo wrote: Hi: I noted almost all the docs in Cocoon website is in the old document v10 of Forrest: !DOCTYPE document PUBLIC -//APACHE//DTD Documentation V1.0//EN ../dtd/document-v10.dtd Can we change to the new format v12? Yes, but there is a problem. We could change all

Re: Forrest docs in old format.

2003-10-24 Thread David Crossley
David Crossley wrote: Antonio Gallardo wrote: I noted almost all the docs in Cocoon website is in the old document v10 of Forrest: !DOCTYPE document PUBLIC -//APACHE//DTD Documentation V1.0//EN ../dtd/document-v10.dtd Can we change to the new format v12? Yes

Re: Forrest docs in old format.

2003-10-25 Thread David Crossley
Antonio Gallardo wrote: Upayavira dijo: snip/ Are you saying that, in order to access the docs by doing cocoon servlet then http://localhost:/docs/ would access a local Forrest dist, rather than the Cocoon dist itself, but would use the local Cocoon? That could work. It would need a

wiki diff emails are duplicated

2003-10-26 Thread David Crossley
Recently the Wiki has started sending duplicate emails, e.g. it sends one message at 10:00 am then the same one again at 11:00 am --David

Re: [proposal] Doco

2003-10-26 Thread David Crossley
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Steven Noels wrote: Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: snip what=stuff about wiki vandalism and annoyance/ Different would be to have f**k [insert your favorite public figure here] or child pornography passing thru the system, but in order to happen, the chain of events

Re: Wafer update

2003-10-27 Thread David Crossley
Tony Collen wrote: Jeff Ramsdale wrote: snip/ So, I'm wondering if someone who knows the innards of Cocoon better than I do could help the gentlepeople who created this chart update it with Cocoon's current feature-set. http://www.waferproject.org/feature-matrix2.html Wow,

Re: wiki diff emails are duplicated

2003-10-27 Thread David Crossley
Antonio Gallardo wrote: David Crossley dijo: Recently the Wiki has started sending duplicate emails, e.g. it sends one message at 10:00 am then the same one again at 11:00 am I noted this started on Friday. :-D I just noticed another problem with the Wiki. It seems that not all diffs

Re: othello in cocoon's samples

2003-10-29 Thread David Crossley
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: gounisATosmosis.gr a écrit : Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: ...Create a PATCH on bugzilla, for review by committers. how ? (can you give me some hints?) Look for [PATCH] and CVS differences info at http://cocoon.apache.org/community/contrib.html

[IMPIMP] care with classpath (Was: CLI: Cannot find catalogManager.properties)

2003-10-29 Thread David Crossley
IMPIMP means that this is double important because no-one replied the first time. Please do various tests such as './cocoon.sh servlet' to ensure that it still runs on your platform. --David On 2003-10-19 David Crossley wrote: Important: I presume that everyone gets the jitters when messing

Re: [IMPIMP] care with classpath (Was: CLI: Cannot find catalogManager.properties)

2003-10-30 Thread David Crossley
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: David Crossley a écrit : IMPIMP means that this is double important because no-one replied the first time. Please do various tests such as './cocoon.sh servlet' to ensure that it still runs on your platform. Just did a clean build from current CVS on macosx

Re: Sources of xreporter-expression-20030725.jar

2003-10-30 Thread David Crossley
If you want to find out info about any jar, then there are details and links to external projects such as Xreporter at http://cocoon.apache.org/2.1/installing/jars.html Anyway, http://xreporter.cocoondev.org/ Interestingly there are no links from there to their CVS stuff. You need to go up to

Re: [RT] Unit testing and CocoonUnit

2003-11-01 Thread David Crossley
Upayavira wrote: Dear All, After reading of Steve K's efforts on this list, and reading Extreme Programming Java Cookbook, I would like to propose a Cocoon pipeline unit testing framework, based arount HTTPUnit, XMLUnit and the CocoonBean. snip/ What do you all think? That you should go

Re: [Reminder] First Friday and Cocoon Release

2003-11-06 Thread David Crossley
Ugo Cei wrote: Carsten Ziegeler wrote: Tomorrows is our first FirstFriday (http://wiki.cocoondev.org/Wiki.jsp?page=FirstFriday) Did we agree on a whiteboarding system, at last? Perhaps just using the dev@ mailing list and Wiki for this first one. --David

FirstFriday co-ordination

2003-11-07 Thread David Crossley
http://wiki.cocoondev.org/Wiki.jsp?page=FirstFridayNovember2003 I would like to work on getting the Patch list down a bit, especially some of the older ones. The first one that i will tackle is: 23796 [PATCH] docs pages containing source are sometimes too wide This has been taken to Forrest, so

Re: FirstFriday co-ordination

2003-11-07 Thread David Crossley
Joerg Heinicke wrote: Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: http://wiki.cocoondev.org/Wiki.jsp?page=FirstFridayNovember2003... Wouldn't it be better to assign the bug to yourself in bugzilla, instead of having to maintain a separate list? I just did it for 24294, I'm going to add it to the

Re: Respecting the CLI

2003-11-08 Thread David Crossley
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: Upayavira wrote: Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: ... Then add a test run target to the ant buildfile and make sure Gump runs it daily. That's the thing. Write a test target... What shape would a CLI test target take? IMHO the first easy thing to do is to rely

Re: Respecting the CLI

2003-11-08 Thread David Crossley
Upayavira wrote: I often find myself fielding questions on the user list about why the CLI doesn't work. Sometimes this is down to my own stupidity. Other times, however, it is down to people changing things in Cocoon, and assuming that the servlet is the only environment in which Cocoon

Re: DO NOT REPLY [Bug 23796] - [PATCH] docs pages containing source are sometimes too wide

2003-11-08 Thread David Crossley
--- Additional Comments From vgritsenko 2003-11-08 14:15 --- One more solution: edit offending docs, wrap lines as necessary. It's low-tech solution, but worked ok last time I used it ;-) Vadim Yes, i start to shudder at the amount of time that i have wasted on doing that. The

Re: cvs commit: cocoon-2.1/src/webapp/samples/text-wrap welcome.html

2003-11-08 Thread David Crossley
joerg wrote: Modified:src/webapp/samples/text-wrap welcome.html Log: fixed typo we have a HTML file in our CVS ;-) LOL. I am ashamed to say that i sometimes find it easier to knock up a simple html cover page to drive a sample, especially when you need some introductory text to

whitespace cleanup and efficiency drive

2003-11-09 Thread David Crossley
It might sound pedantic, but it is about efficiency. I have wasted a lot of time during my committer life with confusing patches that contain mainly whitespace changes. Not to criticise the patcher or their tools, but today was a classic. With some manual tweaks to whitespace, i managed to bring

Re: whitespace cleanup and efficiency drive

2003-11-10 Thread David Crossley
Tony Collen wrote: David Crossley wrote: snip/ I suppose that it is a dream, but does anybody know about a tool that would automatically apply say 4-space indentation and whitespace clean up? We could apply that to our whole cvs say once per month. Jalopy? http

RE: whitespace cleanup and efficiency drive

2003-11-10 Thread David Crossley
Butler, Mark wrote: I use Jalopy, it's very good, I can recommend it, you get a GUI to set you layout preferences, if necessary you can automate it to run as an ANT task. So yes it would be a way of enforcing consistent use of whitespace everywhere, Great news Mark, thanks. I see that they

Re: whitespace cleanup and efficiency drive

2003-11-10 Thread David Crossley
Giacomo Pati wrote: David Crossley wrote: snip/ That would be nice for us. Unfortunately, we probably have to take whatever comes and fix it with clever tools before commit. Be carful when doing precommit reformatting on the cvs server side (which is doable with CVS). This might give you

Re: whitespace cleanup and efficiency drive

2003-11-10 Thread David Crossley
Tony Collen wrote: Perhaps we need a Guide to Not Letting Your Editor Mess Up The Code(tm). This is the crux of the issue. We should not care how the diffs or files come to us. Any old mess will suffice. As long as we committers have tools to handle it. We apply the diff, run the tool to

Re: whitespace cleanup and efficiency drive

2003-11-10 Thread David Crossley
Vadim Gritsenko wrote: If we agree on style, I can run IDEA on whole source tree Yes, if we can just define the style then any of our tools should be able to apply it. Perhaps we could gradually develop our style. For example start with only indentation and whitespace, get that sorted for

Re: whitespace cleanup and efficiency drive

2003-11-10 Thread David Crossley
Andrew Savory wrote: David Crossley wrote: Perhaps we could gradually develop our style. For example start with only indentation and whitespace, get that sorted for both java and xml, then address another issue, and so on. I thought our style was already defined, as like Sun? Yes

Re: whitespace cleanup and efficiency drive

2003-11-10 Thread David Crossley
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Stop! history shows pretty evidently that you can't reach consensus on style, unless your compiler is style dependant (which is why Python code all looks the same!). tab is bad. everytime you see tabs you should change them into 4 whitespaces. this is the

Re: [IMP] Code Freeze

2003-11-10 Thread David Crossley
Carsten Ziegeler wrote: starts tonight - release is (hopefully) on thursday. As discussed in Bug 24463 [1] i am still not clear about what is meant by freeze. I presume that it is the core and some fundamental blocks that are intended to be frozen. #24463 is a patch for the Petstore sample

Re: Saving pipeline output to a temp file...everything you wanted to know but were afraid to ask!

2003-11-10 Thread David Crossley
Sylvain Wallez wrote: Andrzej Jan Taramina wrote: Why forbid it? I see no reason to elminate such a useful feature, unspecified or otherwise. There's been a discussion about this, and we agreed on the fact that he semantics of map:call function and map:call continuation implied that

Re: [vote] forbidding flowscripts with no sendpage redirects (was Re: Saving pipeline output to a temp file...)

2003-11-10 Thread David Crossley
Sylvain Wallez wrote: Let's reformulate this into a proper vote. Do you want to enforce the fact that flowscript calls (either function or continuation) *must* redirect using sendPage, sendPageAndWait or redirectTo Unico added: or sendStatus! and that, should it not be the case, a

Re: whitespace cleanup and efficiency drive

2003-11-11 Thread David Crossley
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: David Crossley a écrit : ... Well this is all that this discussion really set out to achieve: consistent 4-space indentation, remove all tabs, get rid of other spurious whitespace. So, yes, let us stop at that. +1, keep it simple! IIUC the whole point

Petstore Sample updated, please test

2003-11-11 Thread David Crossley
Many thanks to Leo Leonid for the important patch which updates the Petstore Sample to use our Woody Forms and Flow and other various dogfood. Many things are fixed and polished. Please follow the relevant parts of the Bugzilla report, where Leo has expressed some concerns. Especially please

Re: GT 2003 talks: audio only example, please test

2003-11-11 Thread David Crossley
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: A while ago there were requests to provide the GT2003 presentations as low-bandwidth audio only. I have made a small example with the first minute of Steven's talk, could people test it on various platforms before I do the whole thing? Please report here

Re: GT 2003 talks: audio only example, please test ogg version

2003-11-12 Thread David Crossley
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: Antonio Gallardo a écrit : ...I would prefer ogg because MP3 has copyright issues. Ok, I have prepared an ogg version of the example, please test on your platforms: http://www.codeconsult.ch/clients/gt2003/00-introduction.ogg I've tested it on macosx with

Re: whitespace cleanup and efficiency drive

2003-11-12 Thread David Crossley
Joerg Heinicke wrote: The result of this thread: let's care only about white spaces. It's my opinion too. But the editor should do this automatically, not by running a task by hand. Agreed. I am adding it to my requirements list, in the search for a new editor. IDEA does it pretty good:

Re: whitespace cleanup and efficiency drive

2003-11-13 Thread David Crossley
Joerg Heinicke wrote: The result of this thread: let's care only about white spaces. So now we need a policy. Here is my proposal: For all text files - Replace all tabs with spaces. - No trailing whitespace. - No M$-DOS line endings. - Newline at end-of-file. - Single whitespace between words.

Re: GT 2003 talks: low-bandwidth ogg audio files are online

2003-11-13 Thread David Crossley
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: IIUC this means they will be available on the mirrors soon - please use the mirrors for download. http://cocoon.apache.org/mirror.cgi Thanks, it is nice to hear you all. --David

Freshmeat page for Cocoon

2003-11-14 Thread David Crossley
http://freshmeat.net/projects/cocoon/ I notice that this is mirror unfriendly in that it points directly to the apache dist/. Is there a way to improve that? Also it refers directly to Carsten's email address. As we all know, it is not good to encourage personal contact. However, we do not want

configure rather than build

2003-11-14 Thread David Crossley
To change the mis-conceptions about our source-only distribution, perhaps it would help to call it configure.sh or install.sh rather than build.sh. --David

filename for cocoon-latest.* on mirror.cgi

2003-11-14 Thread David Crossley
Carsten Ziegeler wrote: I just added the current version information to the mirror page, so when you go to that page, you see to which version latest relates. Thanks for the hint. That is a bit better, but Andrew hints at other issues. When they download the archive, then the filename just

Re: Freshmeat page for Cocoon

2003-11-17 Thread David Crossley
Vadim Gritsenko wrote: David Crossley wrote: Also it refers directly to Carsten's email address. As we all know, it is not good to encourage personal contact. However, we do not want new users coming to the dev- mailing list. Ok, I made an attempt to change this to dev@ address

Re: whitespace cleanup and efficiency drive

2003-11-18 Thread David Crossley
Vadim Gritsenko wrote: David Crossley wrote: Joerg Heinicke wrote: The result of this thread: let's care only about white spaces. So now we need a policy. Here is my proposal: For all text files - Replace all tabs with spaces. - No trailing whitespace. - No M$-DOS line endings

Re: FirstFriday: 5th or 12th December?

2003-11-24 Thread David Crossley
Joerg Heinicke wrote: Upayavira wrote: Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: On http://wiki.cocoondev.org/PageInfo.jsp?page=FirstFriday David (Crossley) says it's going to be on the 12th, is that a typo or is there a good reason? Well, 5th is the first Friday, and I don't see a reason why

Re: [VOTE] Tim Larson as Cocoon committer

2003-11-24 Thread David Crossley
Bruno Dumon wrote: Tim has been hanging around on our mailing lists for quite some time, and is actively contributing, both in discussions and code. Becoming a committer can only motivate him to keep up the good work. +1 from me. +1 --David

Re: Moving docs from Wiki

2003-11-24 Thread David Crossley
Tony Collen wrote: Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: Reinhard Poetz a écrit : ..It's time for Doco because moving content from Wiki to CVS is a very, very, very, very boring job. (Aren't there any tools which could help?)... If you're talking about format conversion, JSPWiki's HTML

Re: Moving docs from Wiki

2003-11-25 Thread David Crossley
Vadim Gritsenko wrote: Reinhard Poetz wrote: No problem, that was not the difficult part - I had more problems with the publishing process itself: I presume that you know about http://wiki.cocoondev.org/Wiki.jsp?page=CocoonWebsiteUpdate Agreed, the process could be easier. Thank your lucky

Re: Build failure because of proxy-firewall

2003-11-26 Thread David Crossley
Geoff Howard wrote: Timothy Larson wrote: I just downloaded a new snapshot, and now the build fails with this message: BUILD FAILED file:C:/cocoon/2.1_20031125111946/cocoon-2.1/build/cocoon-2.1.4-dev/temp/blocks-build.xml:8441: UnknownHostException. Probable cause: The parser is

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