Re: [RT] doco lite?

2004-10-27 Thread Jorg Heymans
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: Le 26 oct. 04, à 21:56, Jorg Heymans a écrit : Both, but many of us agree that the biggest problem now is accessibility (both from the user's and from the writer's point of views) of the docs. point taken, but i don't share that feeling. I trust my searching skills

Re: [RT] doco lite?

2004-10-27 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: Le 26 oct. 04, à 23:36, Helma van der Linden a écrit : ...G4. Make submitting documentation a more straight forward process. I haven't yet looked at the ins and outs of the xdocs, but I know from the times I tried to find the documentation in the checked out tree that

Re: [RT] doco lite?

2004-10-27 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
...So we would have two separate instances of Cocoon (or Forrest). One is the staging server, which is the head. The other is the live site, which uses the current-docs tag... Not necessarily two instances, could be one IMHO, with URLs selecting either the relased docs or other tags (and

Re: [RT] doco lite?

2004-10-27 Thread Steven Noels
On 26 Oct 2004, at 20:46, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: So I cannot refrain from sharing this idea, although I have no code to back it up yet... Similarly, however not even _hinting_ that this is something I'd want to push myself, your set of goals and techniques still somehow teased me in doing a

Re: [RT] doco lite?

2004-10-26 Thread Antonio Gallardo
Bertrand Delacretaz dijo: Recent discussions here, along with David's ASF-wide documentation staging and publishing post to infrastructure@ made me think about this, in a there must be an easier way mood. I'm not ready to discuss this on infrastructure@ though, it feels safer here ATM ;-)

Re: [RT] doco lite?

2004-10-26 Thread Upayavira
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: Recent discussions here, along with David's ASF-wide documentation staging and publishing post to infrastructure@ made me think about this, in a there must be an easier way mood. I'm not ready to discuss this on infrastructure@ though, it feels safer here ATM ;-)

Re: [RT] doco lite?

2004-10-26 Thread Scherler, Thorsten
To understand it right you do not want online editing, workflow,... right? Sounds like a nice start for doco. Small, slim and lite. ;-) thorsten Antonio Gallardo escribió: Bertrand Delacretaz dijo: Recent discussions here, along with David's ASF-wide documentation staging and publishing post to

Re: [RT] doco lite?

2004-10-26 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le 26 oct. 04, à 21:20, Upayavira a écrit : ...The thing you seem to have missed is the staging process. If I have written an xdoc, I want to see that as HTML, on a staging server, before I actually publish it. After all, the XML might not even be valid, or there might be mistakes. I need to be

Re: [RT] doco lite?

2004-10-26 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le 26 oct. 04, à 21:23, Scherler, Thorsten a écrit : To understand it right you do not want online editing, workflow,... right? Why not, but separating this concern from the publishing process makes the problem easier to tackle IMHO. -Bertrand smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic

Re: [RT] doco lite?

2004-10-26 Thread Jorg Heymans
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: GOALS G1. Generate our docs and website dynamically, directly from the SVN repository accessed over http G2. Give access to older versions of the docs using standard SVN mechanisms (tags etc) G3. Index the latest version of the docs, including structured fields

Re: [RT] doco lite?

2004-10-26 Thread Upayavira
Jorg Heymans wrote: Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: GOALS G1. Generate our docs and website dynamically, directly from the SVN repository accessed over http G2. Give access to older versions of the docs using standard SVN mechanisms (tags etc) G3. Index the latest version of the docs, including

Re: [RT] doco lite?

2004-10-26 Thread Upayavira
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: Le 26 oct. 04, à 21:20, Upayavira a écrit : ...The thing you seem to have missed is the staging process. If I have written an xdoc, I want to see that as HTML, on a staging server, before I actually publish it. After all, the XML might not even be valid, or there

Re: [RT] doco lite?

2004-10-26 Thread Frédéric Glorieux
G3. Index the latest version of the docs, including structured fields (keywords, target audience, components mentioned, etc), to implement prepared queries (as links, simply) to improve our docs' accessibility It seems a good occasion to provide a better LuceneTransformer implementation for

Re: [RT] doco lite?

2004-10-26 Thread Helma van der Linden
Upayavira wrote: GOALS snip/ G4. Make submitting documentation a more straight forward process. I haven't yet looked at the ins and outs of the xdocs, but I know from the times I tried to find the documentation in the checked out tree that I was unable to figure out how it worked. TOOLS /

RE: [RT] doco lite?

2004-10-26 Thread Conal Tuohy
Jorg Heymans wrote: 2)Should any effort towards documentation ATM go into improving its *quality* or improving its {searchability|updateability|scaleability|auto-generateability} WDYT? Personally, I think that Cocoon has a lot of good documentation, but poorly/inconsistently organised.

Re: [RT] doco lite?

2004-10-26 Thread David Crossley
Upayavira wrote: Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: Upayavira a écrit : ...The thing you seem to have missed is the staging process. If I have written an xdoc, I want to see that as HTML, on a staging server, before I actually publish it. After all, the XML might not even be valid, As

Re: [RT] doco lite?

2004-10-26 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le 26 oct. 04, à 22:34, Upayavira a écrit : ...So you'd use HEAD or whatever to view the latest commit, and the public would see the current-docs tag. That could work. But would we want the HEAD to be password protected, or in some way hidden so that it doesn't get regularly viewed when it

Re: [RT] doco lite?

2004-10-26 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le 26 oct. 04, à 22:56, Frédéric Glorieux a écrit : ...T2. Build an index with Lucene, triggered via SVN post-commit hooks, uses a live Cocoon instance to generate an easy to index XML document for Lucene. Include metadata fields as mentioned in G2 above, generated from (enhanced as compared to