Re: Using Maven (or something similar) for dependencies? (Was: Cocoon's Rhino+continuations fork)

2004-03-12 Thread Ugo Cei
Reinhard Pötz wrote: And instead of investing to much time in all those things we should make CocoonBlocks become reality ASAP because they will solve those dependencies very elgantly. I'd say *most* of those dependencies, but not all of them. Flowscript is part of the core, for instance. Ugo

RE: Using Maven (or something similar) for dependencies? (Was: Cocoon's Rhino+continuations fork)

2004-03-12 Thread Carsten Ziegeler
Reinhard Pötz wrote: And instead of investing to much time in all those things we should make CocoonBlocks become reality ASAP because they will solve those dependencies very elgantly. Yes, but imho we need a solution for 2.1.x as well. If we would wait for blocks we could not do

Re: Using Maven (or something similar) for dependencies? (Was: Cocoon's Rhino+continuations fork)

2004-03-12 Thread Reinhard Pötz
Carsten Ziegeler wrote: Reinhard Pötz wrote: And instead of investing to much time in all those things we should make CocoonBlocks become reality ASAP because they will solve those dependencies very elgantly. Yes, but imho we need a solution for 2.1.x as well. If we would wait for

Re: Using Maven (or something similar) for dependencies? (Was: Cocoon's Rhino+continuations fork)

2004-03-12 Thread Reinhard Pötz
Ugo Cei wrote: Reinhard Pötz wrote: And instead of investing to much time in all those things we should make CocoonBlocks become reality ASAP because they will solve those dependencies very elgantly. I'd say *most* of those dependencies, but not all of them. Flowscript is part of the core,

Re: Using Maven (or something similar) for dependencies? (Was: Cocoon's Rhino+continuations fork)

2004-03-12 Thread Steven Noels
On 12 Mar 2004, at 09:05, Ugo Cei wrote: Reinhard Pötz wrote: And instead of investing to much time in all those things we should make CocoonBlocks become reality ASAP because they will solve those dependencies very elgantly. I'd say *most* of those dependencies, but not all of them. Flowscript

Re: Using Maven (or something similar) for dependencies? (Was: Cocoon's Rhino+continuations fork)

2004-03-12 Thread Stephan Michels
Am Fr, den 12.03.2004 schrieb Bertrand Delacretaz um 07:47: Sounds like the way to go, intelligently downloading dependencies from some non-ASF repository should solve most, maybe all of the licensing problems, and help make Cocoon more lightweight for many uses. IIRC last time this was

Re: Using Maven (or something similar) for dependencies? (Was: Cocoon's Rhino+continuations fork)

2004-03-12 Thread Reinhard Pötz
Stephan Michels wrote: Am Fr, den 12.03.2004 schrieb Bertrand Delacretaz um 07:47: Sounds like the way to go, intelligently downloading dependencies from some non-ASF repository should solve most, maybe all of the licensing problems, and help make Cocoon more lightweight for many uses. IIRC

RE: Using Maven (or something similar) for dependencies? (Was: Cocoon's Rhino+continuations fork)

2004-03-12 Thread Carsten Ziegeler
Reinhard Pötz wrote: Stephan Michels wrote: Am Fr, den 12.03.2004 schrieb Bertrand Delacretaz um 07:47: Sounds like the way to go, intelligently downloading dependencies from some non-ASF repository should solve most, maybe all of the licensing problems, and help make Cocoon

Re: Using Maven (or something similar) for dependencies? (Was: Cocoon's Rhino+continuations fork)

2004-03-12 Thread Torsten Curdt
Yep. And we should also think about the users of our users: can they be expected to go through the same download-on-demand scenario before even taking a quick look whether Cocoon fits their bill? Is it really much more complicated to download? It does not have to be always on demand... Let's

Re: Using Maven (or something similar) for dependencies? (Was: Cocoon's Rhino+continuations fork)

2004-03-12 Thread Geoff Howard
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: Sounds like the way to go, intelligently downloading dependencies from some non-ASF repository should solve most, maybe all of the licensing problems, and help make Cocoon more lightweight for many uses. IIRC last time this was discussed the debate quickly moved to a

Re: Using Maven (or something similar) for dependencies? (Was: Cocoon's Rhino+continuations fork)

2004-03-12 Thread Joerg Heinicke
On 12.03.2004 13:14, Geoff Howard wrote: Isn't this missing the whole point of the current licensing discussion? If we cook up a system that allows us to create and distribute cocoon but that product now cannot be used to build a commercial application without questions of further license

Re: Using Maven (or something similar) for dependencies? (Was: Cocoon's Rhino+continuations fork)

2004-03-12 Thread Torsten Curdt
Isn't this missing the whole point of the current licensing discussion? If we cook up a system that allows us to create and distribute cocoon but that product now cannot be used to build a commercial application without questions of further license requirements (source code availability,

Re: Using Maven (or something similar) for dependencies? (Was: Cocoon's Rhino+continuations fork)

2004-03-12 Thread Geoff Howard
Torsten Curdt wrote: Isn't this missing the whole point of the current licensing discussion? If we cook up a system that allows us to create and distribute cocoon but that product now cannot be used to build a commercial application without questions of further license requirements (source

Re: Using Maven (or something similar) for dependencies? (Was: Cocoon's Rhino+continuations fork)

2004-03-12 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Vendredi, 12 mars 2004, à 13:14 Europe/Zurich, Geoff Howard a écrit : Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: Sounds like the way to go, intelligently downloading dependencies from some non-ASF repository should solve most, maybe all of the licensing problems, and help make Cocoon more lightweight for

Re: Using Maven (or something similar) for dependencies? (Was: Cocoon's Rhino+continuations fork)

2004-03-12 Thread Torsten Curdt
Is a company using Cocoon to deliver web applications redistributing Cocoon? (yes, I think). That's the question! I'd say no ...as long as you don't bundle it and sell it as part of you software removing the license or the like. But AFAIU you may use those (for us) problematic jars in your

Re: Using Maven (or something similar) for dependencies? (Was: Cocoon's Rhino+continuations fork)

2004-03-12 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Geoff Howard wrote: Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: Sounds like the way to go, intelligently downloading dependencies from some non-ASF repository should solve most, maybe all of the licensing problems, and help make Cocoon more lightweight for many uses. IIRC last time this was discussed the

Using Maven (or something similar) for dependencies? (Was: Cocoon's Rhino+continuations fork)

2004-03-11 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Jeudi, 11 mars 2004, à 23:06 Europe/Zurich, Paul Russell a écrit : On 10 Mar 2004, at 19:51, Steven Noels wrote: (OT for the non-ASF folks:) You seem to suggest that inclusion of non-ASL-licensed library dependencies inside ASF distributions should be deprecated, favoring a CPAN or FreeBSD

Re: Using Maven (or something similar) for dependencies? (Was: Cocoon's Rhino+continuations fork)

2004-03-11 Thread Reinhard Pötz
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: Le Jeudi, 11 mars 2004, à 23:06 Europe/Zurich, Paul Russell a écrit : On 10 Mar 2004, at 19:51, Steven Noels wrote: (OT for the non-ASF folks:) You seem to suggest that inclusion of non-ASL-licensed library dependencies inside ASF distributions should be deprecated,