Re: [ALL] use lazy consensus voting for Commons Parent releases in future

2011-04-19 Thread Mladen Turk
On 04/19/2011 04:00 PM, Mark Thomas wrote: On 18/04/2011 22:40, sebb wrote: As suggested by Hen, we should be able to use lazy consensus voting for Commons Parent pom releases. [ ] +1 let's use lazy consensus voting for Commons Parent pom in future [X] -1 why not? It is a release and that req

Re: Release Parent Pom to dist? [was: [ALL] use lazy consensus voting for Commons Parent releases in future]

2011-04-19 Thread Jochen Wiedmann
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 6:59 PM, sebb wrote: > Note that Maven core is released to /dist, however AFAICT none of the > plugins are released to /dist, nor is the Apache Parent Pom. > So even if Commons uploads the parent pom, it won't be possible to use > it without relying on Maven Central. Agre

Release Parent Pom to dist? [was: [ALL] use lazy consensus voting for Commons Parent releases in future]

2011-04-19 Thread sebb
On 19 April 2011 15:00, Mark Thomas wrote: > On 18/04/2011 22:40, sebb wrote: >> As suggested by Hen, we should be able to use lazy consensus voting >> for Commons Parent pom releases. >> >> [ ] +1 let's use lazy consensus voting for Commons Parent pom in future >> [X] -1 why not? > > It is a rele

[CANCELLED][ALL] use lazy consensus voting for Commons Parent releases in future

2011-04-19 Thread sebb
No point continuing this thread any further. On 19 April 2011 15:58, Paul Benedict wrote: > Here is Apache's Release FAQ: > http://www.apache.org/dev/release.html > > There is a line that says "Each PMC must obey the ASF requirements on > approving any release" but then doesn't divulge those rule

Re: [ALL] use lazy consensus voting for Commons Parent releases in future

2011-04-19 Thread Paul Benedict
Here is Apache's Release FAQ: http://www.apache.org/dev/release.html There is a line that says "Each PMC must obey the ASF requirements on approving any release" but then doesn't divulge those rules. I imagine the +3 rules applies universally. If they don't, I am about to learn something new. Pau

Re: [ALL] use lazy consensus voting for Commons Parent releases in future

2011-04-19 Thread Phil Steitz
On 4/18/11 2:40 PM, sebb wrote: > As suggested by Hen, we should be able to use lazy consensus voting > for Commons Parent pom releases. > > [ ] +1 let's use lazy consensus voting for Commons Parent pom in future > [ ] -1 why not? -1 Its either a release or its not. If it is, we have to VOTE. It

Re: [ALL] use lazy consensus voting for Commons Parent releases in future

2011-04-19 Thread Mark Thomas
On 18/04/2011 22:40, sebb wrote: > As suggested by Hen, we should be able to use lazy consensus voting > for Commons Parent pom releases. > > [ ] +1 let's use lazy consensus voting for Commons Parent pom in future > [X] -1 why not? It is a release and that requires a positive action from the PMC

Re: [ALL] use lazy consensus voting for Commons Parent releases in future

2011-04-19 Thread Gary Gregory
It seems to me the process worked. It's a nice simple process, so starting to add exceptions is not my first choice. Gary On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 3:58 AM, wrote: > -1 I am not comfortable either with lazy consensus here. > It is a release and furthermore it is a dependency for all our component

Re: [ALL] use lazy consensus voting for Commons Parent releases in future

2011-04-19 Thread sebb
On 19 April 2011 08:58, wrote: > -1 I am not comfortable either with lazy consensus here. > It is a release and furthermore it is a dependency for all our components as > what we release is really source code, so the build process is important. It is a release, but each release is an optional d

Re: [ALL] use lazy consensus voting for Commons Parent releases in future

2011-04-19 Thread luc . maisonobe
-1 I am not comfortable either with lazy consensus here. It is a release and furthermore it is a dependency for all our components as what we release is really source code, so the build process is important. We clearly failed with the previous vote, but Gary set up another one quickly. Luc

Re: [ALL] use lazy consensus voting for Commons Parent releases in future

2011-04-19 Thread Jörg Schaible
Jochen Wiedmann wrote: > Another topic: Are we, as a PMC, free to allow lazy consensus? After > all, this is a release in the sense of the ASF (although a very small > one). I think we should query the board or at least a skilled board > member before going on. I find it likely that the "3 PMC mem

Re: [ALL] use lazy consensus voting for Commons Parent releases in future

2011-04-19 Thread Jochen Wiedmann
Another topic: Are we, as a PMC, free to allow lazy consensus? After all, this is a release in the sense of the ASF (although a very small one). I think we should query the board or at least a skilled board member before going on. I find it likely that the "3 PMC members" is something that we canno

Re: [ALL] use lazy consensus voting for Commons Parent releases in future

2011-04-19 Thread Jochen Wiedmann
+1 Allow me to disagree, Paul. POM changes will get efficient only, if they get picked up. This usually happens long before a release of the dependent project. And if any problems are found, it is relatively easy to fix them and bring up a new release. On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 12:11 AM, Paul Bened

Re: [ALL] use lazy consensus voting for Commons Parent releases in future

2011-04-18 Thread Ralph Goers
+1 Although it is technically a release, I can't imagine why any external entity would directly use it. Even if they do they would have to test it no matter what we do. Having a less formal procedure for this just makes sense to me. Ralph On Apr 18, 2011, at 2:40 PM, sebb wrote: > As suggest

Re: [ALL] use lazy consensus voting for Commons Parent releases in future

2011-04-18 Thread sebb
On 18 April 2011 23:11, Paul Benedict wrote: > -1 > > POM changes can have big impacts, especially if an erroneous one is > released. It's not that I don't trust the person who makes the changes, but > I would like several people to approve the changes before the ecosystem is > impacted. Checks an

Re: [ALL] use lazy consensus voting for Commons Parent releases in future

2011-04-18 Thread Paul Benedict
-1 POM changes can have big impacts, especially if an erroneous one is released. It's not that I don't trust the person who makes the changes, but I would like several people to approve the changes before the ecosystem is impacted. Checks and balances. If it turns out I am the only -1 vote, I wil

[ALL] use lazy consensus voting for Commons Parent releases in future

2011-04-18 Thread sebb
As suggested by Hen, we should be able to use lazy consensus voting for Commons Parent pom releases. [ ] +1 let's use lazy consensus voting for Commons Parent pom in future [ ] -1 why not? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr..