[lang] alpha package

2011-04-07 Thread Henri Yandell
I've been pondering the tension between stability and innovation. Once 3.0 is out I'd like to add an alpha subpackage: org.apache.commons.lang-alpha It's specifically a location of code that is: a) Not linked to a version. When we move to 4.0 it does not change. b) Does not offer

Re: [lang] alpha package

2011-04-07 Thread luc . maisonobe
- Henri Yandell flame...@gmail.com a écrit : I've been pondering the tension between stability and innovation. Once 3.0 is out I'd like to add an alpha subpackage: org.apache.commons.lang-alpha It's specifically a location of code that is: a) Not linked to a version. When we

Re: [lang] alpha package

2011-04-07 Thread Gary Gregory
On Apr 7, 2011, at 2:36, Henri Yandell flame...@gmail.com wrote: I've been pondering the tension between stability and innovation. Once 3.0 is out I'd like to add an alpha subpackage: org.apache.commons.lang-alpha It's specifically a location of code that is: a) Not linked to a

Re: [lang] alpha package

2011-04-07 Thread Henri Yandell
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 4:07 AM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: On 7 April 2011 07:35, Henri Yandell flame...@gmail.com wrote: I've been pondering the tension between stability and innovation. Once 3.0 is out I'd like to add an alpha subpackage:  org.apache.commons.lang-alpha It's

Re: [lang] alpha package

2011-04-07 Thread Jochen Wiedmann
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 5:28 PM, Henri Yandell flame...@gmail.com wrote: I think a separate jar would be lot less valuable - that basically makes it a separate project/branch etc. Even if we mess around in Maven to produce multiple jars, we're still create two separate artifacts simply to deal

Re: [lang] alpha package

2011-04-07 Thread Stephen Colebourne
I'd agree with an alpha area, but I don't agree with releasing it. [lang] is too core to other projects to be doing things like that IMO. Stephen On 7 April 2011 07:35, Henri Yandell flame...@gmail.com wrote: I've been pondering the tension between stability and innovation. Once 3.0 is out

Re: [lang] alpha package

2011-04-07 Thread Henri Yandell
It's worthless unless we release it. :( A similar example is that I don't see why we can't have lang4 code appearing in the lang3 jar; and I don't see why we would have to be backwards compat for the lang4 code while on the lang3 branch. I agree it's novel, but lang is too core to other projects

Re: [lang] alpha package

2011-04-07 Thread Henri Yandell
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 8:32 AM, Jochen Wiedmann jochen.wiedm...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 5:28 PM, Henri Yandell flame...@gmail.com wrote: I think a separate jar would be lot less valuable - that basically makes it a separate project/branch etc. Even if we mess around in Maven

Re: [lang] alpha package

2011-04-07 Thread sebb
On 7 April 2011 16:42, Henri Yandell flame...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 8:32 AM, Jochen Wiedmann jochen.wiedm...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 5:28 PM, Henri Yandell flame...@gmail.com wrote: I think a separate jar would be lot less valuable - that basically makes it

Re: [lang] alpha package

2011-04-07 Thread Phil Steitz
On 4/7/11 10:00 AM, sebb wrote: On 7 April 2011 16:42, Henri Yandell flame...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 8:32 AM, Jochen Wiedmann jochen.wiedm...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 5:28 PM, Henri Yandell flame...@gmail.com wrote: I think a separate jar would be lot less

Re: [lang] alpha package

2011-04-07 Thread Henri Yandell
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 10:48 AM, Phil Steitz phil.ste...@gmail.com wrote: I think the idea of having a separate, releasable child of some kind that can break compatibility with its parent and earlier versions of itself is a good one.  The setup I have described above is probably not the best,

Re: [lang] alpha package

2011-04-07 Thread Phil Steitz
On 4/7/11 1:14 PM, sebb wrote: On 7 April 2011 21:08, Henri Yandell flame...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 10:48 AM, Phil Steitz phil.ste...@gmail.com wrote: I think the idea of having a separate, releasable child of some kind that can break compatibility with its parent and earlier

Re: [lang] alpha package

2011-04-07 Thread Henri Yandell
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 1:57 PM, Phil Steitz phil.ste...@gmail.com wrote: On 4/7/11 1:14 PM, sebb wrote: On 7 April 2011 21:08, Henri Yandell flame...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 10:48 AM, Phil Steitz phil.ste...@gmail.com wrote: I think the idea of having a separate, releasable