On 1/15/15, 9:46 AM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
ross.gard...@microsoft.com wrote:
Where are you seeing discouragement of pilot projects?
In the tone and content of the responses on this thread, including this
one where it feels to me you are again using the maintenance and training
costs to
On 1/15/15, 6:35 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote:
On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 3:24 PM, Rich Bowen rbo...@rcbowen.com wrote:
...*historically*, when this kind of thing has happened (project
implements,
thing becomes critical), gradually it becomes the responsibility of
Infra,
with the appropriate people (thanks
Pierre).
Ross
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From: Alex Harui [mailto:aha...@adobe.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 9:22 AM
To: dev
Subject: Re: projects.apache.org overhaul proposal
On 1/15/15, 6:35 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote:
On Thu
On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 6:21 PM, Alex Harui aha...@adobe.com wrote:
...Infra should be encouraged to learn new things if the ROI is established
by the pilot program...
Of course, but when you have to maintain systems for years the
investment is huge...so the return has to be huge as well.
To put that last sentence in a more positive manner:
The future looks bright and is multi-coloured! But it is shrouded in layers
of mists. Unfortunately, so is the future influx of funds.
Best regards,
Pierre Smits
*ORRTIZ.COM http://www.orrtiz.com*
Services Solutions for Cloud-
Based
Maybe we should considering changing the subject as this seems bigger than
just an overhaul of one of the front ends of the ASF?
Yes, it all has to do with the ROI (the benefits at large vs the costs) for
the ASF. And such need to be determined regarding the future, not the
present day or the
simple improvements I can make in a
coffee break at work :-)
Ross
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From: Daniel Gruno [mailto:humbed...@apache.org]
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 9:43 AM
To: dev@community.apache.org
Subject: Re: projects.apache.org overhaul proposal
On 2015-01-14 18:37, Jacques
See inline.
Best regards,
Pierre Smits
*ORRTIZ.COM http://www.orrtiz.com*
Services Solutions for Cloud-
Based Manufacturing, Professional
Services and Retail Trade
http://www.orrtiz.com
On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 12:42 AM, Alex Harui aha...@adobe.com wrote:
I was probing the notion that it
On 01/14/2015 06:42 PM, Alex Harui wrote:
I was probing the notion that it might be to the advantage of the OFBiz
community to just volunteer something instead of being asked. Maybe the
folks on this list know the other Apache projects better than I do, but I
wouldn’t even know what to ask
On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 3:24 PM, Rich Bowen rbo...@rcbowen.com wrote:
...*historically*, when this kind of thing has happened (project implements,
thing becomes critical), gradually it becomes the responsibility of Infra,
not of the project, to do ongoing maintenance
Yes, this is why I'm
I think it is a good idea to replace the current projects.a.o build
system because it is extremely complicated currently.
It even has its own build system partly based on XML,and the build
tools are spread over at least two parts of SVN.
The build requires Perl, XSLT and I think there's now some
You are correct. And I am aware that budgets are limitied. But I don't what
the budget will be nor decide where the money of the ASF flows. I can only
ask for some of it regarding a project. And even then, I won't consider
doing so for something that could be perceived as a pet project of Pierre
Like some have expressed in earlier messages in this thread this endeavour
could take up some time. Especially when requirements are not clear.
And let's not forget, the OFBiz community volunteers their effort to get to
a better OFBiz product. They have the tools in place for that. If the ASF
I was probing the notion that it might be to the advantage of the OFBiz
community to just volunteer something instead of being asked. Maybe the
folks on this list know the other Apache projects better than I do, but I
wouldn’t even know what to ask for.
The project I’m involved in, Apache Flex,
Indeed, an integrated approach and subsequent solution could help in
delivering information in a unified way and reduce resource consumption.
Best regards,
Pierre Smits
*ORRTIZ.COM http://www.orrtiz.com*
Services Solutions for Cloud-
Based Manufacturing, Professional
Services and Retail Trade
: projects.apache.org overhaul proposal
Hi folks,
I was having a conversation with Rich (Bowen) some weeks ago, and the
sentiment was that our projects page ( projects.apache.org
http://projects.apache.org ) could use a big overhaul. It's outdated,
not very user friendly, doesn't really compile the data
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From: Daniel Gruno [mailto:humbed...@apache.org]
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 06:19
To: dev@community.apache.org
Subject: Re: projects.apache.org overhaul proposal
See inline,
On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 3:13 PM, Daniel Gruno humbed...@apache.org wrote:
First off, comdev needs to officially accept the task of maintaining the
site. It is currently maintained by infra, which has no interest in running
it.
Which internal organisation of the ASF takes
On 2015-01-14 14:40, Rich Bowen wrote:
On 01/14/2015 06:48 AM, Daniel Gruno wrote:
Hi folks,
I was having a conversation with Rich (Bowen) some weeks ago, and the
sentiment was that our projects page ( projects.apache.org
http://projects.apache.org ) could use a big overhaul. It's outdated,
.
Ross
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From: Pierre Smitsmailto:pierre.sm...@gmail.com
Sent: 1/14/2015 5:29 AM
To: dev@community.apache.orgmailto:dev@community.apache.org
Subject: Re: projects.apache.org overhaul proposal
I agree with Daniel that (several) ASF
Hi,
On 14 Jan 2015, at 06:48, Daniel Gruno humbed...@apache.org wrote:
I have been working on a proposal that follows these ideas, which is
available for preview at http://projects.apache.pw/ for those interested.
Only the first two tabs in the menu currently work (and the extensive
On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 3:19 PM, Daniel Gruno humbed...@apache.org wrote:
...The site itself is 100% static HTML+JavaScript, I haven't added any arcane
Lua/PHP/whatever scripts to it ;)
Oh no...it's not really ASF if it doesn't have arcane stuff in it that
no one can maintain after a few
On 2015-01-14 15:39, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 3:19 PM, Daniel Gruno humbed...@apache.org wrote:
...The site itself is 100% static HTML+JavaScript, I haven't added any arcane
Lua/PHP/whatever scripts to it ;)
Oh no...it's not really ASF if it doesn't have arcane
: projects.apache.org overhaul proposal
On 14 Jan 2015, at 10:36, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
ross.gard...@microsoft.com wrote:
As I said when you originally raised this I would recommend focusing on a
committee that tracks other data, data that is not currently well structured.
Trademarks, media
@community.apache.orgmailto:dev@community.apache.org
Subject: Re: projects.apache.org overhaul proposal
Like INFRA is expected to host/support svn instances, etc. All dependant on
the requirements of the ASF.
OFBiz is the open source business enablement suite of the ASF (the works -
as a result
@community.apache.org
Subject: Re: projects.apache.org overhaul proposal
Like INFRA is expected to host/support svn instances, etc. All dependant on
the requirements of the ASF.
OFBiz is the open source business enablement suite of the ASF (the works -
as a result of the project being an ASF
-
From: Daniel Gruno [mailto:humbed...@apache.org]
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 9:43 AM
To: dev@community.apache.org
Subject: Re: projects.apache.org overhaul proposal
On 2015-01-14 18:37, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
Just as a note for the sake of truth, OFBiz has Content component
http
Just as a note for the sake of truth, OFBiz has Content component
http://projects.apache.pw/projects.html?category#content
I very like what I saw, kudos!
Jacques
Le 14/01/2015 12:48, Daniel Gruno a écrit :
Hi folks,
I was having a conversation with Rich (Bowen) some weeks ago, and the
On 2015-01-14 18:37, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
Just as a note for the sake of truth, OFBiz has Content component
http://projects.apache.pw/projects.html?category#content
http://ofbiz.apache.org/doap_OFBiz.rdf disagrees ;-)
but, assuming this gets accepted into comdev, you needn't worry about
Le 14/01/2015 18:42, Daniel Gruno a écrit :
On 2015-01-14 18:37, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
Just as a note for the sake of truth, OFBiz has Content component
http://projects.apache.pw/projects.html?category#content
http://ofbiz.apache.org/doap_OFBiz.rdf disagrees ;-)
but, assuming this gets
: projects.apache.org overhaul proposal
On 2015-01-14 18:37, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
Just as a note for the sake of truth, OFBiz has Content component
http://projects.apache.pw/projects.html?category#content
http://ofbiz.apache.org/doap_OFBiz.rdf disagrees ;-) but, assuming this
gets
Yes, it's great to have 3 OFBiz demos available, we (me on behalf of the OFBiz
team) thank you (the infra team) for that!
We could though give one back to infra or the ASF at large ;)
Note: I'm not volunterring to support Pierre's idea ;)
Jacques
Le 14/01/2015 17:45, Daniel Gruno a écrit :
I agree with Daniel that (several) ASF pages could do with an overhaul to
make them more up-to-date regarding usebility and functionality.
This is inline with what I said earlier in a thread in this mailing list
(see:
Why don't we create an improvement issue in the JIRA of comdev to track
issues regarding this proposal. That will ensure that everything regarding
requirements, suggestions, approaches etc is registered in one place and
(amongst others) sub-tasks can be registered to track progress.
Regards,
On 01/14/2015 06:48 AM, Daniel Gruno wrote:
Hi folks,
I was having a conversation with Rich (Bowen) some weeks ago, and the
sentiment was that our projects page ( projects.apache.org
http://projects.apache.org ) could use a big overhaul. It's outdated,
not very user friendly, doesn't really
On 01/14/2015 08:28 AM, Pierre Smits wrote:
I agree with Daniel that (several) ASF pages could do with an overhaul to
make them more up-to-date regarding usebility and functionality.
This is inline with what I said earlier in a thread in this mailing list
(see:
Replies in-line
On 2015-01-14 14:28, Pierre Smits wrote:
I agree with Daniel that (several) ASF pages could do with an overhaul to
make them more up-to-date regarding usebility and functionality.
This is inline with what I said earlier in a thread in this mailing list
(see:
On 2015-01-14 15:04, Pierre Smits wrote:
Why don't we create an improvement issue in the JIRA of comdev to track
issues regarding this proposal. That will ensure that everything regarding
requirements, suggestions, approaches etc is registered in one place and
(amongst others) sub-tasks can be
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