Re: [documentation-dev] Wikidoc: Licensing

2009-10-14 Thread Nino Novak
On Wednesday 14 October 2009 16:45, Clayton wrote: > Nino Novak wrote: > > Finally, I'm trying to finish work but still need a little help. > > Could you please be so kind and add a bot flag to user NninoBot. > > Done. Great. > If you need anything else, just let me know. Up to now, everythi

Re: [documentation-dev] Wikidoc: Licensing

2009-10-14 Thread Clayton
Nino Novak wrote: > Finally, I'm trying to finish work but still need a little help. > Could you please be so kind and add a bot flag to user NninoBot. Done. If you need anything else, just let me know. C. -- Clayton Cornell ccorn...@openoffice.org OpenOffice.org Documentation Project co-

Re: [documentation-dev] Wikidoc: Licensing

2009-10-14 Thread Nino Novak
Finally, I'm trying to finish work but still need a little help. Could you please be so kind and add a bot flag to user NninoBot. Thanks. Nino - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@documentation.openoffice.org For additiona

Re: [documentation-dev] Wikidoc: Licensing

2009-10-05 Thread Alan
Just out of curiousity, what happens regarding licensing of the wiki if someone dies? You would no longer be able to ask for permission to relicense. Is there no way at all of clarifying all the licenses under one license? It seems odd to me, because it seems that pe

Re: [documentation-dev] Wikidoc: Licensing

2009-10-01 Thread Alan
( : ok Andreas Mantke wrote: Hi Alan, *, Am Donnerstag 01 Oktober 2009 10:24:09 schrieb Alan: Let's simplify. We want something with no ambiguities. Move over everything under a new license. One addendum. Anyone who doesn't agree with the new move and/or license is free to withdraw the

Re: [documentation-dev] Wikidoc: Licensing

2009-10-01 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi Alan, *, Am Donnerstag 01 Oktober 2009 10:24:09 schrieb Alan: > Let's simplify. > > We want something with no ambiguities. > > Move over everything under a new license. > > One addendum. Anyone who doesn't agree with the new move and/or license > is free to withdraw their material. > > Prov

Re: [documentation-dev] Wikidoc: Licensing

2009-10-01 Thread ccornell - OpenOffice.org
The only thing to do so far seems to put the right license Template on every page. I'll try to do this in the next days. That is how we're handling it on the Doc pages. Each page has a footer (using a Template) that states what license the content is released under... generally that would be

Re: [documentation-dev] Wikidoc: Licensing

2009-10-01 Thread Nino Novak
On Thursday 01 October 2009 11:03, ccornell - OpenOffice.org wrote: > As I said, it's not so easy. > > Attempts have been made in the past to clarify things across the Wiki > and bring all content under a known set of licenses. This has not > worked for many reasons. > > Within the Documentation P

Re: [documentation-dev] Wikidoc: Licensing

2009-10-01 Thread ccornell - OpenOffice.org
As I said, it's not so easy. Attempts have been made in the past to clarify things across the Wiki and bring all content under a known set of licenses. This has not worked for many reasons. Within the Documentation Project Wiki pages - the place *we* can influence and control, we can and do

Re: [documentation-dev] Wikidoc: Licensing

2009-10-01 Thread Alan
Let's simplify. We want something with no ambiguities. Move over everything under a new license. One addendum. Anyone who doesn't agree with the new move and/or license is free to withdraw their material. Provide a deadline for withdrawing material. State this clearly. If no one withdraws

Re: [documentation-dev] Wikidoc: Licensing

2009-10-01 Thread ccornell - OpenOffice.org
Then I'd suggest to start over ASAP. Putting things right IMHO is an important prerequisite for productive work. Easy to say, but very difficult (but not impossible) to do. Starting over introduces a lot of issues... maintaining 2 valid/live Wikis is an admin nightmare. If you lock the old

Re: [documentation-dev] Wikidoc: Licensing

2009-09-30 Thread Nino Novak
On Wednesday 30 September 2009 12:51, Clayton wrote: > Licensing is a tough topic. In a perfect world all OOo Docs would be > under a single license. Reality is though... they're not. > > The Wiki itself is also a minefield of mixed licensing. This is, > unfortunately, a product of how the Wiki

Re: [documentation-dev] Wikidoc: Licensing

2009-09-30 Thread Alan
I know there are solutions. Anytime people at core want to work together, help each other and contribute to a shared goal, there are solutions. When humans have a true desire to work together and a shared vision of the future There is no red tape that can stop them. Nothing will stand in t

Re: [documentation-dev] Wikidoc: Licensing

2009-09-30 Thread Sophie
Hi Clayton, Clayton wrote: Alan wrote: (eg you can't make a blanket copyright statement for the Wiki that affects and changes the license for existing content) Why not? You can if it's there from day one... but on the OOo Wiki.. it hasn't been clearly stated from day one thus the ambiguit

Re: [documentation-dev] Wikidoc: Licensing

2009-09-30 Thread Jean Weber
User guides produced by OOoAuthors are dual-licensed: the GNU General Public License, version 3 or later, and the Creative Commons Attribution License (CC-BY), version 3.0 or later. We determined that translators and others could use it under the PDL as "original documentation". What all that means

Re: [documentation-dev] Wikidoc: Licensing

2009-09-30 Thread Clayton
Alan wrote: > (eg you can't make a blanket copyright statement for the Wiki > that affects and changes the license for existing content) > > Why not? You can if it's there from day one... but on the OOo Wiki.. it hasn't been clearly stated from day one thus the ambiguity, and the pages with c

Re: [documentation-dev] Wikidoc: Licensing

2009-09-30 Thread Alan
(eg you can't make a blanket copyright statement for the Wiki that affects and changes the license for existing content) Why not? There has to be a way people can get together and de-complicate things. Why should licensing tie knots in people who want to work together and have common desires?

Re: [documentation-dev] Wikidoc: Licensing

2009-09-30 Thread Clayton
Nino Novak wrote: > In the Germanophone Community the concern has been raised that > contributions to the localized User Guide Wiki pages can not be ported > back to the OOoauthors ODT documents as the ODTs are multiple licensed > (CC-BY as well as GPL and PDL) and the wiki pages - so far - are

[documentation-dev] Wikidoc: Licensing

2009-09-29 Thread Nino Novak
In the Germanophone Community the concern has been raised that contributions to the localized User Guide Wiki pages can not be ported back to the OOoauthors ODT documents as the ODTs are multiple licensed (CC-BY as well as GPL and PDL) and the wiki pages - so far - are explicitly only under CC-