ActionScript 4? What the hell?

2014-01-22 Thread DarkStone
Adobe just committed AS4 specifications and related documents to GitHub: https://github.com/adobe-research/ActionScript4?files=1 I believe Adobe said in the flash runtime roadmap that AS4 was dropped: http://www.adobe.com/devnet/flashplatform/whitepapers/roadmap.html Now they reopen AS4 on

RE: ActionScript 4? What the hell?

2014-01-22 Thread Miguel Ferreira
Silly ideas are always good ideas Let s see where this take us, Flex 5 vs Flex JS? or Flex 5 will be Flex JS? We can enter in a some conspiracy theories that that was always the plan of Adobe :) But with some new fresh blood in the web maybe will be also good for the flex project...

Re: AW: Flex at ApacheCon

2014-01-22 Thread Avi Kessner
Christopher, I think that is a topic that needs much more coverage. Great idea! On Jan 21, 2014 1:06 PM, Christofer Dutz christofer.d...@c-ware.de wrote: Reconcidering my last Statement ... As Maven, Flex, BlazeDS, FlexUnit are all Flex and Apache Technologies (or BlazeDS will be pretty

RE: Java 1.6

2014-01-22 Thread Kessler CTR Mark J
No I'm on Win7 64bit and using Java 1.7 for a while now. -Original Message- From: Justin Mclean [mailto:jus...@classsoftware.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 6:34 PM To: dev@flex.apache.org Subject: Re: Java 1.6 Hi, I been compiling with Java 1.7 for about a year on OSX and not

AW: AW: Flex at ApacheCon

2014-01-22 Thread Christofer Dutz
Hi Avi, Well I submitted a proposal for a Tutorial in which I would do this as a Hands-on session, but I guess I'll also submit a talk with a Brief overview of that as I guess this would be more Promotion for using Flex in enterprises. Chris Von: Avi

RE: RE : Java 1.6

2014-01-22 Thread Kessler CTR Mark J
One side note. You should be able to have different versions of Java installed. -Mark

Re: RE : RE : Java 1.6

2014-01-22 Thread Tom Chiverton
On 22/01/2014 09:52, Erik de Bruin wrote: IF we need two separate builds for the binaries, I can set it up. Either on thebuilds@a.o machine I think that would be best. Then at least we'll know if we broke something :-) Tom

namespace for experimental components

2014-01-22 Thread Carlos Rovira
Hi, maybe this was discussed at some time, but I'd want to know what's the general thinking about experimental library namespace. Since new experimental components are based on Spark arquitecture, I'd expect they use the spark prefix (i.e: s:Accordion, s:ColorPicker, s:MaskedTextInput,...and so

Re: ActionScript 4? What the hell?

2014-01-22 Thread Carlos Velasco
Flex JS is a good approach to some kind of Flex projects, but a lot of projects are not to be translated to JS at all... Then... We better think about a FLEX 5 release out the way JS bullshit world... 2014/1/22 Miguel Ferreira miguel.cd.ferre...@hotmail.com Silly ideas are always good

RE: namespace for experimental components

2014-01-22 Thread Maurice Amsellem
Actually, experimental component have their own namespace: http://flex.apache.org/experimental/ns , with no predefined prefix (no design.xml file) But this is not documented very well , if at all. Maurice -Message d'origine- DeĀ : carlos.rov...@gmail.com

Re: RE : RE : Java 1.6

2014-01-22 Thread Alex Harui
On 1/22/14 3:44 AM, Tom Chiverton t...@extravision.com wrote: On 22/01/2014 09:52, Erik de Bruin wrote: IF we need two separate builds for the binaries, I can set it up. Either on thebuilds@a.o machine I think that would be best. Then at least we'll know if we broke something :-) I'm ok with

Re: namespace for experimental components

2014-01-22 Thread Carlos Rovira
If components are promoted to top level library,people will need to update their code to update namespaces Do you think it could be a problem? 2014/1/22 Maurice Amsellem maurice.amsel...@systar.com Actually, experimental component have their own namespace:

Re: RE : RE : Java 1.6

2014-01-22 Thread Tom Chiverton
We should be setting an example and moving to something that isn't full of holes :-) Tom On 22/01/2014 15:37, Alex Harui wrote: I'm ok with that, but an alternate plan is just to have Jenkins run Java 6.

Re: RE : RE : Java 1.6

2014-01-22 Thread Erik de Bruin
At least as the default. No harm in also offering legacy version(s). EdB On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 4:47 PM, Tom Chiverton t...@extravision.com wrote: We should be setting an example and moving to something that isn't full of holes :-) Tom On 22/01/2014 15:37, Alex Harui wrote: I'm ok

RE: namespace for experimental components

2014-01-22 Thread Maurice Amsellem
I think it's the other way: IMO, it was decided to use a different namespace so that developers immediately know that these are special components, and don't have the same expectations. this was supposed to outweigh the inconvenience of changing namespaces. HTH Maurice -Message

Re: namespace for experimental components

2014-01-22 Thread Erik de Bruin
Also, because most (if not all) components in the 'experimental' namespace don't have the same exhaustive set of Mustella tests, we have no way of guaranteeing their continued quality when changes are made to other parts of the SDK... So, until a component gets a comprehensive Mustella test suite,

Re: ActionScript 4? What the hell?

2014-01-22 Thread bkelley
DarkStone wrote I believe Adobe said in the flash runtime roadmap that AS4 was dropped: http://www.adobe.com/devnet/flashplatform/whitepapers/roadmap.html Now they reopen AS4 on GitHub, what does it mean? From the read me on the github project: Adobe is publishing the ActionScript 4

Re: ActionScript 4? What the hell?

2014-01-22 Thread DarkStone
Thanks for the info, Brady. Well the good news is we don't have to start from the ground up to rewrite the Flex framework. DarkStone 2014-01-23 At 2014-01-23 00:15:24,bkelley brady.kel...@cleantelligent.com wrote: DarkStone wrote I believe Adobe said in the flash runtime roadmap that AS4 was

RE: ActionScript 4? What the hell?

2014-01-22 Thread Kessler CTR Mark J
Since this is hosted publicly but not donated, I assume we cannot cherry pick any good changes from as4... -Mark -Original Message- From: bkelley [mailto:brady.kel...@cleantelligent.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 11:15 AM To: dev@flex.apache.org Subject: Re: ActionScript 4?

Re: RE : RE : Java 1.6

2014-01-22 Thread Alex Harui
On 1/22/14 7:49 AM, Erik de Bruin e...@ixsoftware.nl wrote: At least as the default. No harm in also offering legacy version(s). But more work if you are suggesting that the release manager has to produce convenience binaries in both Java 6 and Java 7. The installer probably also has to

Re: ActionScript 4? What the hell?

2014-01-22 Thread Alex Harui
I'm not sure what the rules are. The language reference is under Apache license. The specifications are under CC-NC which is not good. I suppose I could try to get that changed. But first, come up with something you do want to cherry pick that doesn't require implementation in the runtime.

Re: git commit: [flex-falcon] [refs/heads/develop] - guarantee that target-player gets processed before library-path otherwise wrong player gets checked

2014-01-22 Thread Darrell Loverin
You can create a soft dependency from one configuration variable to another and get the same effect as this code. I don't have the code in front of me right now but there should be some examples in the Configuration classes of the old MXML compiler. In this case library-path would have a soft

RE: ActionScript 4? What the hell?

2014-01-22 Thread Kessler CTR Mark J
Well using the assumption that AS 4 would be an improvement in some area's from AS3 even if it was an incomplete work. While I haven't looked at it yet, I would be interested in just seeing the differences and bring over small pieces that could be an improvement for us. Assuming it wasn't

RE: ActionScript 4? What the hell?

2014-01-22 Thread Gordon Smith
Adobe designed AS4 to be the language for a new Flash runtime (V12) that it was working on but dropped. (I was working on the AS4 compiler then.) Not all features of AS4 can be implemented -- at least not easily and efficiently -- on the existing Flash runtime. However, some features can be.

Re: ActionScript 4? What the hell?

2014-01-22 Thread Alex Harui
On 1/22/14 10:55 AM, Gordon Smith gosm...@adobe.com wrote: Adobe designed AS4 to be the language for a new Flash runtime (V12) that it was working on but dropped. (I was working on the AS4 compiler then.) Not all features of AS4 can be implemented -- at least not easily and efficiently -- on

RE: ActionScript 4? What the hell?

2014-01-22 Thread Gordon Smith
Assuming it wasn't in the same direction as ASC 2 which started getting rid of things we use. If I recall correctly, the biggest feature that was dropped was developer-defined namespaces. I think AS4 just had public/private/protected/internal. So there would be no more mx_internal. Not all

RE: ActionScript 4? What the hell?

2014-01-22 Thread Gordon Smith
the main thrust of the language was a totally new language geared for functional programming, and then some backward compatibility stuff to make it seem more like ActionScript. I wouldn't characterize it that way. To me it felt like incremental change to AS3. There were still classes and

[FlexJS] Try out the FlexJS Installer

2014-01-22 Thread Alex Harui
Hi, I just posted a pre-release build of the new Apache Flex Installer to http://people.apache.org/~aharui/Installer/ There is a .dmg for Mac users and an .exe for Windows. I don't have a way to create Linux installers right now. The installer will hopefully become the way you install any

Re: [FlexJS] Try out the FlexJS Installer

2014-01-22 Thread Peter Ent
I was able to run the installer without any problems except I forgot to un-install the previous version. This gave me the generic, Sorry, an error has occurred dialog. I had to think for a couple of minutes about what this meant, then I remembered I had to un-install the previous version. I

New formatting behavior for numericstepper and 4.11.0 (FLEX-34054)

2014-01-22 Thread Chris Martin
Hey everyone, I logged this ticket yesterday thinking there was a bug because of the odd highlighting behavior that would happen. Namely if you have a highlighted value of 999 in a numeric stepper and increment it via a button. Then only the first 3 characters are highlighted. It looked

Re: [FlexJS] Try out the FlexJS Installer

2014-01-22 Thread Erik de Bruin
I installed 4.11 successfully as well, but... When I tried to install FlexJS, it showed version number 4.0.1, some weird progress bars (too long, off screen) and eventually it crashed the installer (OS X latest, AIR 4). I'll try to reproduce tomorrow, maybe catch some more details. EdB On

OSX 10.9 Debugging

2014-01-22 Thread Jake Churchill
I recently upgraded my mac to 10.9 by way of purchasing a new mac, not upgrading an existing. I installed all the usual XCode, FlashBuilder 4.7, etc. I noticed that I cannot debug anything on the desktop through ADL. It just sticks at 57%. I am also unable to debug web apps. The only type of

Re: Mac OSX 10.9 AIR Debugging

2014-01-22 Thread reynacho
As an update to this, I have the security turned on for Flash Builder 4.7 which does allow me to debug directly onto the iOS simulator, but I still cannot debug in the AIR simulator. I have a desktop app as well and I can't connect to the debugger there at all. -- View this message in context:

Debug on OSX 10.9

2014-01-22 Thread Jake Churchill
I recently upgraded my mac to 10.9 by way of purchasing a new mac, not upgrading an existing. I installed all the usual XCode, FlashBuilder 4.7, etc. I noticed that I cannot debug anything on the desktop through ADL. It just sticks at 57%. I am also unable to debug web apps. The only type of

Flash Builder 4.6, Apache Flex 4.11.0 and expressInstall.swf

2014-01-22 Thread Chris Martin
So I've decided to finally move from Flex 4.6 to the latest Apache Flex 4.11.0. I noted an oddity in my html template file being generated. Well, it might not be an oddity, I might just not understand how this wrapper works in detail. Basically I know we are no longer using

Re: [FlexJS] Try out the FlexJS Installer

2014-01-22 Thread Alex Harui
When you say it crashed, did it close the installer? If not, try seeing if you display the log. On 1/22/14 1:08 PM, Erik de Bruin e...@ixsoftware.nl wrote: I installed 4.11 successfully as well, but... When I tried to install FlexJS, it showed version number 4.0.1, some weird progress bars (too

Re: [FlexJS] Try out the FlexJS Installer

2014-01-22 Thread Carlos Rovira
Hi, I try it on Mavericks (FlexJS, FP12, AIR 4.0) two times, but both times it crash. I attached the crash osx log. It's very strange since it crash at 50-60% always 2014/1/22 Alex Harui aha...@adobe.com When you say it crashed, did it close the installer? If not, try seeing if you

Re: New formatting behavior for numericstepper and 4.11.0 (FLEX-34054)

2014-01-22 Thread Chris Martin
Okay, the formatting is a new behavior compared to 4.6 Thanks Alex On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 3:15 PM, Alex Harui aha...@adobe.com wrote: There was some different behavior in NumericStepper in 4.10 and maybe 4.9.1, but 4.11.0 should be working like 4.6. Now if the way it works isn't

Re: Flash Builder 4.6, Apache Flex 4.11.0 and expressInstall.swf

2014-01-22 Thread Chris Martin
Ahh okay, thanks.Today i'm actually trying to get Flash Builder 4.7 working. I think I still had the beta installed on this computer, and the beta has long since ended :) Now I'm in this odd mode of not being able to apply the license key. But then again I probably need to get the release

Re: Flash Builder 4.6, Apache Flex 4.11.0 and expressInstall.swf

2014-01-22 Thread Chris Martin
In the meantime, I can just manually set it to expressInstall.swf in the wrapper to get it to work okay? On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 3:33 PM, Chris Martin windo...@gmail.com wrote: Ahh okay, thanks.Today i'm actually trying to get Flash Builder 4.7 working. I think I still had the beta installed

Re: [FlexJS] Try out the FlexJS Installer

2014-01-22 Thread Alex Harui
I don't think the attachment made it. Maybe open a JIRA issue and attach it there? Can you tell from the progress bar what step it is in? Also check memory consumption. I've seen it run out of memory unpacking the AIR SDK. Thanks, -Alex From: Carlos Rovira

Re: Flash Builder 4.6, Apache Flex 4.11.0 and expressInstall.swf

2014-01-22 Thread Alex Harui
That would be worth a try. On 1/22/14 2:38 PM, Chris Martin windo...@gmail.com wrote: In the meantime, I can just manually set it to expressInstall.swf in the wrapper to get it to work okay? On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 3:33 PM, Chris Martin windo...@gmail.com wrote: Ahh okay, thanks.Today i'm

Re: [FlexJS] Try out the FlexJS Installer

2014-01-22 Thread Carlos Rovira
Seems to crash when download FalconJX Dependencies (step 12?), 2014/1/22 Alex Harui aha...@adobe.com I don't think the attachment made it. Maybe open a JIRA issue and attach it there? Can you tell from the progress bar what step it is in? Also check memory consumption. I've seen it run

Re: [FlexJS] Try out the FlexJS Installer

2014-01-22 Thread Alex Harui
OK, does the app disappear after the crash? I'm wondering what is in the log. Thanks, -Alex On 1/22/14 2:47 PM, Carlos Rovira carlos.rov...@codeoscopic.com wrote: Seems to crash when download FalconJX Dependencies (step 12?), 2014/1/22 Alex Harui aha...@adobe.com I don't think the

Re: [FlexJS] Try out the FlexJS Installer

2014-01-22 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, Installer works on OSX 10.9 as far as I can see for Apache Flex SDK and Flex JS. There a few minor issues: - Not defaulting to the latest FP and AIR versions - FlexJS says it installing Apache Flex 4.0.1 - FlexJS progress bar go outside of window bounds - FlexJS steps seem a bit arbitrary

Re: [FlexJS] Try out the FlexJS Installer

2014-01-22 Thread Alex Harui
Thanks. Nice to know it worked for someone else besides me. The Flex SDK install still uses the old code paths so the fact it works just means I haven't busted anything. I hope to finish the ant script for the Flex SDK later this week. Other comments in-line. On 1/22/14 3:55 PM, Justin Mclean

Re: [FlexJS] Try out the FlexJS Installer

2014-01-22 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, Definitely looking for ideas for what to do about this. I think more folks have to get this far so they can offer their opinions. Different logos for each product? At the very least the name should change. That's because the log is now effectively the ant output. Does it need to be

Re: git commit: [flex-falcon] [refs/heads/develop] - guarantee that target-player gets processed before library-path otherwise wrong player gets checked

2014-01-22 Thread Alex Harui
Awesome. I will try that out when I get a chance. On 1/22/14 5:33 PM, Darrell Loverin darrell.love...@gmail.com wrote: Found an example in the falcon compiler of using soft dependencies. In org.apache.flex.compiler.config.Configuration, the below code says -locale must be set before

I can not see BUG TRACKER

2014-01-22 Thread Shigeru Nakagaki
Hello I created an issue. Then I can not see any issues at all. It said An unknown error occurred while trying to perform a search. thanks Shigeru Nakagaki

Re: I can not see BUG TRACKER

2014-01-22 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, Looks like JIRA is having a few issues, I'm sure infra know and are working on it and it will be back shortly. Thanks, Justin

Re: I can not see BUG TRACKER

2014-01-22 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, I think your issue got recorded: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-34057 Justin

RE: ActionScript 4? What the hell?

2014-01-22 Thread Avi Kessner
Does function overloading require changes to the runtime? On Jan 22, 2014 9:30 PM, Gordon Smith gosm...@adobe.com wrote: I looked over the spec to refresh my memory. In addition to user-defined namespaces, other things that were dropped were E4X, undefined, prototypes, and dynamic classes.

Re: ActionScript 4? What the hell?

2014-01-22 Thread Alex Harui
I think we can do a partial implementation by preprocessing and renaming functions without runtime changes, but it will have limitations like using [functionName]() syntax won't work. On 1/22/14 10:22 PM, Avi Kessner akess...@gmail.com wrote: Does function overloading require changes to the