Re: Are we nerd driven or business realistic driven?

2013-07-02 Thread Avi Kessner
That's a frustrating issue, however Adobe just removed tlf and as2 from CC. I think we can follow suite and safely ignore backward compatibility. We need the player to be backwards compatible, not the codebase. If a team needs more performance they are not going to be concerned with

MVC libs in the Apache Flex codebase (was: Are we nerd driven or business realistic driven?)

2013-07-01 Thread Sebastian Mohr
Thanks Alex, I pretty much think the same way as you, and I believe that Parsley should be hosted in our codebase for some time to give the Parsley community the impression of stability for them. Since the release of the Cairngorm 3 spec [1] and the Cairngorm 3 libraries with Parsley support [2],

Re: Are we nerd driven or business realistic driven?

2013-07-01 Thread Jonathan Campos
On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 4:43 PM, OmPrakash Muppirala bigosma...@gmail.comwrote: So, when folks are saying that Flex does not perform well on mobile, can you please post some examples, etc so we can try to figure out what the real problems? As opposed to sweeping statements like Flex mobile

Re: Are we nerd driven or business realistic driven?

2013-07-01 Thread Avi Kessner
Why can't we get rid of those 13k line base classes? On 1 Jul 2013 20:03, Jonathan Campos jonbcam...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 4:43 PM, OmPrakash Muppirala bigosma...@gmail.comwrote: So, when folks are saying that Flex does not perform well on mobile, can you please post

Re: Are we nerd driven or business realistic driven?

2013-07-01 Thread Alex Harui
On 7/1/13 10:15 AM, Avi Kessner akess...@gmail.com wrote: Why can't we get rid of those 13k line base classes? On 1 Jul 2013 20:03, Jonathan Campos jonbcam...@gmail.com wrote: We can, but not without breaking backward compatibility or slower performance. In the two attempts I made, you can

Re: Are we nerd driven or business realistic driven?

2013-06-30 Thread Joel Tan
Hi, I am a fan of Flex, I love Flex very much, most of my projects are done by using Flex. I'm not entirely convinced that this is the best route, but it certainly is a clean route to take. I'm afraid about community fragmentation and basically leaving out current Flex on FP users, because

Re: Are we nerd driven or business realistic driven?

2013-06-30 Thread jude
There have been some talk about porting Flex visuals to Starling in the past. I have seen Starling demos at our Flash usergroup meetings and I would love to see Flex use it. I think it would require the graphics classes to be replaced with starling classes. I think Jangaroo does something like

Re: Are we nerd driven or business realistic driven?

2013-06-30 Thread jude
I searched the site and the wiki on donating code and what I found automatically puts up a barrier between anyone wanting to donate, http://flex.apache.org/community-getinvolved.html, *Due to legal reasons, only people who have been elected as committers have access to update or contribute code

Re: Are we nerd driven or business realistic driven?

2013-06-30 Thread Organet Systems
Thanks Jude for the input! There are a couple of good things about the FlexJS project that may not be apparent to us as Flex users. That is, if FlexJS becomes popular (especially to HTML devs) then it brings Flex into a good light. When HTML devs see how they can create great apps with the

Re: Are we nerd driven or business realistic driven?

2013-06-30 Thread Alex Harui
On 6/30/13 7:58 PM, Organet Systems organet...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Jude for the input! There are a couple of good things about the FlexJS project that may not be apparent to us as Flex users. That is, if FlexJS becomes popular (especially to HTML devs) then it brings Flex into a good

Re: Are we nerd driven or business realistic driven?

2013-06-28 Thread Erik de Bruin
Hi, Folks, I've decided to reedit that post on Spicefactory. It was created in a hurry and with a certain amount of (maybe unnecessary) bitterness in mind. Since it's public, it certainly doesn't help Apache Flex perception. These opinions should be presented and voiced internally on this

Are we nerd driven or business realistic driven?

2013-06-27 Thread Sebastian Mohr
Hi there, just wonder what you think about this forum post of the SpiceFactory forum [1]: With all due respect, I don't believe Apache did anything good with Flex. They struggle with a lot of internal bureaucracy and I believe that without clear leadership, this meritocracy thing just doesn't

Re: Are we nerd driven or business realistic driven?

2013-06-27 Thread Jeffry Houser
Comments in-line... I sort of agree and don't agree at the same time. On 6/27/2013 7:23 AM, Sebastian Mohr wrote: Hi there, just wonder what you think about this forum post of the SpiceFactory forum [1]: With all due respect, I don't believe Apache did anything good with Flex. I

RE: Are we nerd driven or business realistic driven?

2013-06-27 Thread Michael A. Labriola
With all due respect, I don't believe Apache did anything good with Flex. They struggle with a lot of internal bureaucracy and I believe that without clear leadership, this meritocracy thing just doesn't work. For the past year, Apache Flex community debated whether they should move to Git and

RE: Are we nerd driven or business realistic driven?

2013-06-27 Thread aYo ~
I'm completely with Mike here. There is a hefty amount of work being done there. I'm continually in awe of the work ethic and dedication to the project. As for business realistic driven that's sometimes bosh as it's for the most part driven by a response and thus not proactive aYo

Re: Are we nerd driven or business realistic driven?

2013-06-27 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, With all due respect, I don't believe Apache did anything good with Flex. They struggle with a lot of internal bureaucracy and I believe that without clear leadership, this meritocracy thing just doesn't work. I agree at times there tends to be a lot more talk than action and being new to

Re: Are we nerd driven or business realistic driven?

2013-06-27 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, Oh and if you want to have an idea of what progress is being made: https://github.com/apache/flex-sdk/graphs/commit-activity https://github.com/apache/flex-sdk/contributors And features that will in the next release (out of date and incomplete)

Re: Are we nerd driven or business realistic driven?

2013-06-27 Thread ayo
Hear, hear Justin and more bounce to the ounce aYo www.ayobinitie.com mrbinitie.blogspot.com From: Justin Mclean Sent: ‎Thursday‎, ‎27‎ ‎June‎ ‎2013 ‎15‎:‎41 To: dev@flex.apache.org Hi, With all due respect, I don't believe Apache did anything good with Flex. They struggle with a lot of

Re: Are we nerd driven or business realistic driven?

2013-06-27 Thread Thomas Wright
Yeah, I think that post is a bit presumptuous. I don't often interact with the lists, but I do follow them closely. There are problems that do arise, but the overall trend is that there are a lot of people working extremely hard, coding issues, technology issues, and 'political' issues are

Re: Are we nerd driven or business realistic driven?

2013-06-27 Thread Edward J. Apostol
Hi there - has anyone responded on the spicefactory forum to this message (tried to do a search for the message on my phone but failed) On another note I just joined a big firm focused on environmental health and safety standards (ISO stuff) and we recently standardized to Apache Flex for

RE: Are we nerd driven or business realistic driven?

2013-06-27 Thread Sebastian Zarzycki
Hello, Sebastian Zarzycki here, author of that unfortunate post on spicefactory.org forums. First of all, apologies, if this will not hit the right list or will land in a wrong spot. Last time I've used mailing lists was around '95 and it's definitely not a user-friendly experience to hop in

Re: Are we nerd driven or business realistic driven?

2013-06-27 Thread Thomas Wright
Strange how things come around. Definitely a surprise to see the poster find this list and reply. First off, you absolutely have the right to voice your opinion. You should never feel like you can't. I hold the freedom of speech and opinion in much higher regard than the possibility of that

Re: Are we nerd driven or business realistic driven?

2013-06-27 Thread Thomas Wright
ah, and on the mailing list bit - I've never been involved in any sort of major OS project that doesn't use mailing lists. Even wordpress uses mailing lists. I'm curious, how is it that you feel they are archaic? I find them extremely useful and quite common among development groups. On Thu, Jun

Re: Are we nerd driven or business realistic driven?

2013-06-27 Thread Sebastian Zarzycki
This is probably a matter of personal preference. Developers do many weird things that regular people do not :) developers might still prefer vi over textmate and use sendmail. There might be other advantages I don't know of, but for the average user, this form of communication is troublesome.

Re: Are we nerd driven or business realistic driven?

2013-06-27 Thread Thomas Wright
perhaps use a google account for your mailing lists by actually logging into the web interface. Google handles lists very well. You rarely have to deal with Re: Re: Re's and 5x indented quotes. It automagickally cuts all that nonsense out and you get a clean and readable stream. I use a client for

Re: Are we nerd driven or business realistic driven?

2013-06-27 Thread Alain Ekambi
@Sebastian No Offense but GWT is probably the best web framework out there. If you really understand what GWT can do for you wil never look to something else. I wrote something about it sometimes ago http://ekambi.blogspot.de/2013/06/why-gwt-is-awesome.html I always said it Flex as it is

Re: Are we nerd driven or business realistic driven?

2013-06-27 Thread Alain Ekambi
@Alex I can share my experience concerning 1) Most of our customers dont want to migrate their app to JS. What they want is an easy way to integrate exiting JS libraries into their Flex app. For example hoe to integrate the JS Google Maps API with their existing Flex apps or How can I integrate

Re: Are we nerd driven or business realistic driven?

2013-06-27 Thread Alex Harui
Hi Sebastian, You quoted the last of 3 posts in that thread. To me, the most important snippet is in the original post where the OP asks: Jens, if you're still around... The point of donating Swiz or Parsley or any existing code base to Apache is that at Apache, there are mailing lists that you

Re: Are we nerd driven or business realistic driven?

2013-06-27 Thread OmPrakash Muppirala
Hi, I just want to throw in that I have been doing a bunch of apps with Flex mobile and am constantly amazed at how good it performs across devices. I am talking about data intensive visualizations with a lot of number crunching, charts and animations. Of course, as with Objective-C or Java,

Re: Are we nerd driven or business realistic driven?

2013-06-27 Thread Thomas Wright
OmPrakash, Same here, I'm extremely pleased at it's performance and cross platform compatibility. Our mobile apps are of the same caliber, data intensive, charts, graphs, submissions, maps, gps ... blah blah blah - on and on, and it performs like an all out champ. The resolution and pixel density

Re: Are we nerd driven or business realistic driven?

2013-06-27 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, Thanks for the time to reply and sorry if you feel you post was taken out of context. You're certainly welcome to express your views on this list and elsewhere. - It's not the problem of Apache or any other community. I still stand by meritocracy doesn't work. Just because other models