Re: [Installer - FLEX-34251] Is SSK needed for load installer config?

2015-02-09 Thread Nicholas Kwiatkowski
I've got it refactored on my own local branch, but it's a big enough change I might submit it separately. I hate to say it, but working on this really makes my head hurt. I've got the as3httpdlib working on my local copy. I need a bit to clean it up -- should have it ready this evening or

Re: [Installer - FLEX-34251] Is SSK needed for load installer config?

2015-02-08 Thread Nicholas Kwiatkowski
Ok. Digging into this a bit more, the only time we will ever use HTTPS is during the Installer Config download and the MD5s. No reason why we need to be tunneling the Installer Config through HTTPS. All it contains is localization strings for the current version. MD5 paths (and all paths,

Re: [Installer - FLEX-34251] Is SSK needed for load installer config?

2015-02-08 Thread Alex Harui
On 2/6/15, 2:56 PM, Nicholas Kwiatkowski nicho...@spoon.as wrote: I have some time to implement the as3httpdlib this weekend if that is the direction we want to go. Sounds good to me, go for it! -Alex

Re: [Installer - FLEX-34251] Is SSK needed for load installer config?

2015-02-08 Thread Harbs
FWIW, when I tried to implement a socket server for Flash, I ran into more issues than with URLLoader. Although, I don’t remember any details. On Feb 8, 2015, at 6:50 PM, Alex Harui aha...@adobe.com wrote: On 2/6/15, 2:56 PM, Nicholas Kwiatkowski nicho...@spoon.as wrote: I have some

Re: [Installer - FLEX-34251] Is SSK needed for load installer config?

2015-02-08 Thread OmPrakash Muppirala
On Feb 8, 2015 8:52 AM, Alex Harui aha...@adobe.com wrote: On 2/6/15, 2:56 PM, Nicholas Kwiatkowski nicho...@spoon.as wrote: I have some time to implement the as3httpdlib this weekend if that is the direction we want to go. Sounds good to me, go for it! And some refactoring of the main

Re: [Installer - FLEX-34251] Is SSK needed for load installer config?

2015-02-06 Thread Tom Chiverton
On 05/02/15 16:56, Alex Harui wrote: What do others think? IMO, for 3.2 we should just do the swap of an AS3 native HTTP implementation and not switch our urls to HTTP or add some checkbox. Then we can get better data on how many problems that change solved or if it introduces new issues. Not

Re: [Installer - FLEX-34251] Is SSK needed for load installer config?

2015-02-06 Thread Alex Harui
On 2/6/15, 1:11 AM, Tom Chiverton t...@extravision.com wrote: On 05/02/15 16:56, Alex Harui wrote: What do others think? IMO, for 3.2 we should just do the swap of an AS3 native HTTP implementation and not switch our urls to HTTP or add some checkbox. Then we can get better data on how

Re: [Installer - FLEX-34251] Is SSK needed for load installer config?

2015-02-06 Thread OmPrakash Muppirala
On Feb 6, 2015 7:37 AM, Alex Harui aha...@adobe.com wrote: On 2/6/15, 1:11 AM, Tom Chiverton t...@extravision.com wrote: On 05/02/15 16:56, Alex Harui wrote: What do others think? IMO, for 3.2 we should just do the swap of an AS3 native HTTP implementation and not switch our urls to

Re: [Installer - FLEX-34251] Is SSK needed for load installer config?

2015-02-05 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, Looks like it is MIT license so ok to use. It's BSD not MIT but that's also OK assuming you add it to LICENSE. [1] Justin 1. http://www.apache.org/dev/licensing-howto.html#permissive-deps

RE: [Installer - FLEX-34251] Is SSK needed for load installer config?

2015-02-05 Thread Kessler CTR Mark J
+1 to http vs https. -Mark -Original Message- From: omup...@gmail.com [mailto:omup...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of OmPrakash Muppirala Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 11:11 AM To: dev@flex.apache.org Cc: Paul Hastings Subject: Re: [Installer - FLEX-34251] Is SSK needed for load installer

Re: [Installer - FLEX-34251] Is SSK needed for load installer config?

2015-02-05 Thread Alex Harui
Very weird. This time when I hit the link I ended up at https://code.google.com/p/as3httpclient/ Which does show BSD, but last time I ended up at https://code.google.com/p/as3httpclientlib/ Which shows MIT. I guess there is more than one version of AS3 Native HTTP. Whoever works on it can

Re: [Installer - FLEX-34251] Is SSK needed for load installer config?

2015-02-05 Thread Erik de Bruin
Weird, I see BSD instead of MIT... Maybe it shows one for the US, and another for the world? EdB On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 4:25 PM, Alex Harui aha...@adobe.com wrote: On 2/5/15, 12:23 AM, Justin Mclean jus...@classsoftware.com wrote: Hi, Looks like it is MIT license so ok to use. It's BSD

Re: [Installer - FLEX-34251] Is SSK needed for load installer config?

2015-02-05 Thread Alex Harui
On 2/5/15, 12:23 AM, Justin Mclean jus...@classsoftware.com wrote: Hi, Looks like it is MIT license so ok to use. It's BSD not MIT but that's also OK assuming you add it to LICENSE. [1] Ugh. Did you find BSD somewhere? That could mean the authors didn’t handle their IP carefully. When I

Re: [Installer - FLEX-34251] Is SSK needed for load installer config?

2015-02-05 Thread Nicholas Kwiatkowski
I'd recommend against using the client to bypass the windows settings. If we do, the we need to expose properties like Proxy Settings, and need to deal with locations that disallow large TCP window sizes (for example, users on ATT DSL have to force their TCP Window size to 1440 instead of 1500

Re: [Installer - FLEX-34251] Is SSK needed for load installer config?

2015-02-05 Thread Alex Harui
Subject: Re: [Installer - FLEX-34251] Is SSK needed for load installer config? On Feb 4, 2015 8:09 AM, Alex Harui aha...@adobe.com wrote: Another question for you guys, since I don’t have any expertise in this area, would we in fact skirt around this by hitting http for more of our downloads

Re: [Installer - FLEX-34251] Is SSK needed for load installer config?

2015-02-05 Thread Tom Chiverton
On 04/02/15 17:38, Erik de Bruin wrote: Only if you think a man-in-the-middle attack that hijacks both the download and the MD5 request is more likely than the bad guys having backdoor access to the servers actually hosting those files. And given the fact that those servers reside in the US and

Re: [Installer - FLEX-34251] Is SSK needed for load installer config?

2015-02-05 Thread Paul Hastings
On 2/5/2015 4:53 PM, Tom Chiverton wrote: If people's Windows settings are incompatible with modern web sites people as in people who don't normally use IE. chrome reaches the config file site just fine (ditto for firefox). as justin pointed out most developers aren't big fans of IE, so this

Re: [Installer - FLEX-34251] Is SSK needed for load installer config?

2015-02-04 Thread Nicholas Kwiatkowski
Yes. This is purely an SSL issue in regards to new TLS certificates (other cyptro methods were proven to be weak, so many sites/browsers aren't supporting them anymore). -Nick On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 11:08 AM, Alex Harui aha...@adobe.com wrote: Another question for you guys, since I don’t have

Re: [Installer - FLEX-34251] Is SSK needed for load installer config?

2015-02-04 Thread Erik de Bruin
However, we do need to verify that hitting HTTP doesn't cause too many redirects (possibly to HTTPS), as I seem to remember that redirects sometimes cause trouble for AIR and not to mention that we'd be back to square one if that would happen... EdB On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 5:12 PM, Erik de

Re: [Installer - FLEX-34251] Is SSK needed for load installer config?

2015-02-04 Thread Alex Harui
On 2/4/15, 9:14 AM, OmPrakash Muppirala bigosma...@gmail.com wrote: On Feb 4, 2015 9:03 AM, Alex Harui aha...@adobe.com wrote: In another thread, I think Tom C says we should be using https to deliver all of our bits, which we aren’t today. What do folks think? -1. We are already doing MD5

Re: [Installer - FLEX-34251] Is SSK needed for load installer config?

2015-02-04 Thread Erik de Bruin
+1 here as well, especially since that would be an 'easyfix' ;-) EdB On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 5:11 PM, OmPrakash Muppirala bigosma...@gmail.com wrote: On Feb 4, 2015 8:09 AM, Alex Harui aha...@adobe.com wrote: Another question for you guys, since I don’t have any expertise in this area,

Re: [Installer - FLEX-34251] Is SSK needed for load installer config?

2015-02-04 Thread Alex Harui
In another thread, I think Tom C says we should be using https to deliver all of our bits, which we aren’t today. What do folks think? -Alex On 2/4/15, 8:37 AM, Alex Harui aha...@adobe.com wrote: I thought the change to http was going to be in the sdk-installer-config-4.0.xml file but it turns

Re: [Installer - FLEX-34251] Is SSK needed for load installer config?

2015-02-04 Thread Erik de Bruin
In another thread, I think Tom C says we should be using https to deliver all of our bits, which we aren’t today. What do folks think? -1. We are already doing MD5 checks on downloaded artifacts. I am not sure what benefit https is going to add here. It looks like we currently pull our MD5

Re: [Installer - FLEX-34251] Is SSK needed for load installer config?

2015-02-04 Thread OmPrakash Muppirala
On Feb 4, 2015 8:09 AM, Alex Harui aha...@adobe.com wrote: Another question for you guys, since I don’t have any expertise in this area, would we in fact skirt around this by hitting http for more of our downloads instead of https? +1 to hitting http by default. Thanks, Om -Alex On

Re: [Installer - FLEX-34251] Is SSK needed for load installer config?

2015-02-04 Thread Alex Harui
Another question for you guys, since I don’t have any expertise in this area, would we in fact skirt around this by hitting http for more of our downloads instead of https? -Alex On 2/4/15, 8:05 AM, Paul Hastings paul.hasti...@gmail.com wrote: On 2/4/2015 10:52 PM, Nicholas Kwiatkowski wrote:

Re: [Installer - FLEX-34251] Is SSK needed for load installer config?

2015-02-04 Thread OmPrakash Muppirala
On Feb 4, 2015 9:03 AM, Alex Harui aha...@adobe.com wrote: In another thread, I think Tom C says we should be using https to deliver all of our bits, which we aren’t today. What do folks think? -1. We are already doing MD5 checks on downloaded artifacts. I am not sure what benefit https is

RE: [Installer - FLEX-34251] Is SSK needed for load installer config?

2015-02-04 Thread Neil Madsen
know if that does indeed fix the issue. Neil -Original Message- From: Erik de Bruin [mailto:e...@ixsoftware.nl] Sent: February-04-15 9:13 AM To: dev@flex.apache.org Cc: Paul Hastings Subject: Re: [Installer - FLEX-34251] Is SSK needed for load installer config? +1 here as well

[Installer - FLEX-34251] Is SSK needed for load installer config? (was: Re: sdk 4.14.0 100% install failures)

2015-02-04 Thread Erik de Bruin
Please continue discussion on this issue in this thread. Thanks, EdB On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 10:06 AM, Erik de Bruin e...@ixsoftware.nl wrote: Good find! This issue matches the following JIRA issue: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-34251 Please use that to work on this bug. I

Re: [Installer - FLEX-34251] Is SSK needed for load installer config?

2015-02-04 Thread Nicholas Kwiatkowski
An option we could use is to try https first. If it fails, present the user to drop down to http. This should take care of all use cases, yet still allow the user control the security level... -Nick On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 12:02 PM, Alex Harui aha...@adobe.com wrote: In another thread, I

Re: [Installer - FLEX-34251] Is SSK needed for load installer config? (was: Re: sdk 4.14.0 100% install failures)

2015-02-04 Thread Nicholas Kwiatkowski
Anything Vista+/Mac OS10.4+ has TLS turned on by default. It was made available in XP, if you turned it on. -Nick On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 10:30 AM, Tom Chiverton t...@extravision.com wrote: On 04/02/15 15:23, Alex Harui wrote: I wonder if on Windows, the Installer should pop an alert when

Re: [Installer - FLEX-34251] Is SSK needed for load installer config?

2015-02-04 Thread Paul Hastings
On 2/4/2015 10:30 PM, Tom Chiverton wrote: TLS 1.x is fast becoming mandatory for SSL connections. This page http://blogs.msdn.com/b/kaushal/archive/2011/10/02/support-for-ssl-tls-protocols-on-windows.aspx has a chart showing TLS support by O/S, and indicates Windows 7 should support it, I

Re: [Installer - FLEX-34251] Is SSK needed for load installer config?

2015-02-04 Thread Paul Hastings
On 2/4/2015 10:52 PM, Nicholas Kwiatkowski wrote: Anything Vista+/Mac OS10.4+ has TLS turned on by default. It was made available in XP, if you turned it on. 1.0 was on by default, 1.1 1.2 (guess the culprit here) weren't.

Re: [Installer - FLEX-34251] Is SSK needed for load installer config?

2015-02-04 Thread Alex Harui
Sounds reasonable. The AIR downloading code via URLLoader just seems sensitive. Do we know if we use AIR sockets and build our own http download protocol on top if it will bypass the IE libraries underneath? -Alex On 2/4/15, 11:03 AM, Nicholas Kwiatkowski nicho...@spoon.as wrote: An option we

Re: [Installer - FLEX-34251] Is SSK needed for load installer config?

2015-02-04 Thread OmPrakash Muppirala
On Feb 4, 2015 5:33 PM, Alex Harui aha...@adobe.com wrote: Sounds reasonable. The AIR downloading code via URLLoader just seems sensitive. Do we know if we use AIR sockets and build our own http download protocol on top if it will bypass the IE libraries underneath? Yes, it will. I use

Re: [Installer - FLEX-34251] Is SSK needed for load installer config?

2015-02-04 Thread Alex Harui
On 2/4/15, 11:41 PM, piotrz piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Om, Alex, So can we just use this library ? Any license objections ? Or it is too big and better write our own logic ? Looks like it is MIT license so ok to use. -Alex

Re: [Installer - FLEX-34251] Is SSK needed for load installer config?

2015-02-04 Thread piotrz
this message in context: http://apache-flex-development.247.n4.nabble.com/Installer-FLEX-34251-Is-SSK-needed-for-load-installer-config-was-Re-sdk-4-14-0-100-install-failures-tp44913p44955.html Sent from the Apache Flex Development mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Re: [Installer - FLEX-34251] Is SSK needed for load installer config?

2015-02-04 Thread Alex Harui
On 2/4/15, 6:12 PM, OmPrakash Muppirala bigosma...@gmail.com wrote: On Feb 4, 2015 5:33 PM, Alex Harui aha...@adobe.com wrote: Sounds reasonable. The AIR downloading code via URLLoader just seems sensitive. Do we know if we use AIR sockets and build our own http download protocol on top

Re: [Installer - FLEX-34251] Is SSK needed for load installer config? (was: Re: sdk 4.14.0 100% install failures)

2015-02-04 Thread Tom Chiverton
The IE 'internet options' are actually the Windows internet options, it's a left over from when IE was illegally tied to Windows. The question is what are the default settings there - if the defaults are for those options to be on we don't need to worry ? Tom On 04/02/15 09:08, Erik de

Re: [Installer - FLEX-34251] Is SSK needed for load installer config? (was: Re: sdk 4.14.0 100% install failures)

2015-02-04 Thread Alex Harui
Hi Paul, Thanks for finding that. I wonder if on Windows, the Installer should pop an alert when finding a download error and suggest that folks use Internet Explorer to hit the failing download. Thoughts? -Alex On 2/4/15, 1:08 AM, Erik de Bruin e...@ixsoftware.nl wrote: Please continue

Re: [Installer - FLEX-34251] Is SSK needed for load installer config? (was: Re: sdk 4.14.0 100% install failures)

2015-02-04 Thread Tom Chiverton
On 04/02/15 15:23, Alex Harui wrote: I wonder if on Windows, the Installer should pop an alert when finding a download error and suggest that folks use Internet Explorer to hit the failing download. At the very least, it'll provide an immediate data point if they report it, and may aid people