RE: Re: Cool plugin: Voice

2005-07-30 Thread HANAX
Unfortunatelly as far as I know in Opera there is only implementation in en. In general, there is significant lag between visual and audio in web technologies... Maybe other frequently used languages are implemented in other borwsers, but I doubt. And IMHO I think that X-V by iteself should

Re: Error transforming Table IDs

2005-07-30 Thread Ferdinand Soethe
Something like the following should do it: xsl:apply-tempaltes select=@*[name(.) !- 'id']/ Thanks. A bit of finetuning and some corrections and it seems to work ok. Will be offline next week so feel free to roll-back if I missed something. -- Ferdinand Soethe

Change of handling of ID-attributes

2005-07-30 Thread Ferdinand Soethe
Looking closely at document2html (in common) I have my doubts about the usefulness of translating every id-attribute into an html-anchor (a name=.../) element. Especially when I start using ids for CSS, it means that this drastically increases the volume of the final page by creating lots of

Re: Change of handling of ID-attributes

2005-07-30 Thread Ross Gardler
Ferdinand Soethe wrote: Looking closely at document2html (in common) I have my doubts about the usefulness of translating every id-attribute into an html-anchor (a name=.../) element. Especially when I start using ids for CSS, it means that this drastically increases the volume of the final page

Quick glimpse at Forrest's memory usage [FOR-572]

2005-07-30 Thread Ron Blaschke
I've taken a quick glimpse at Forrest's memory usage, using the lovely Yourkit Java Profiler (http://www.yourkit.com/). I did the following: I ran forrest site in site-author/, and made a snapshot, quite at the end of the run. Note that I have only limited understanding of Forrest's and Cocoon's

[views] Change of processing paradigm of forrest

2005-07-30 Thread Thorsten Scherler
G'day devs, for now we limited views to templates in our discussion *but* what I recommend is more then this templating part of forrest:views. forrest:views will change the way we are processing a request. I designed it after the Dispatcher View J2EE design pattern [1]. Dispatcher View Context

[views] Decoupling structure from presentation? Re: Dumping some ideas on views

2005-07-30 Thread Thorsten Scherler
On Sat, 2005-07-16 at 00:54 -0700, Diwaker Gupta wrote: (some of the comments here might not be specific to views and encroach into other areas of Forrest) Experiences as a user = Let me first talk a little about my user experience of views so far: o Its *really*

Re: Simple committership

2005-07-30 Thread David Crossley
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: Over time, some seem to recurringly ask that Forrest creates a simple committer role used as a step between being a developer and a PMC member. Here is an explanation of what I think I have learned in this respect. Other people might have different views and

Re: Config files

2005-07-30 Thread David Crossley
Ross Gardler wrote: However, if anyone wants to go to ApacheCon the way to reduce your costs considerably is to participate in the conference organisation or presentations. There is a list for the organisation (David, what is the address?). Don't know, but start at apachecon-discuss

Re: svn commit: r226552 - in /forrest/trunk/whiteboard/plugins/org.apache.forrest.plugin.output.voice/src/documentation/content/xdocs: index.xml site.xml

2005-07-30 Thread Juan Jose Pablos
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: + warningOpera with Voice is currently not available for Linux./warning There is not any alternative for linux users? Cheers, cheche

Re: [views] Change of processing paradigm of forrest

2005-07-30 Thread Diwaker Gupta
Forgive me for being obtuse, but I completely missed the change in procesing paradigm part :-) I mean, were you talking about a conceptual paradigm shift, or an implementation detail? Conceptually, IIUC, we still follow a dispatcher-view patter, no? I mean Forrest has been about separating

Re: Change of handling of ID-attributes

2005-07-30 Thread Diwaker Gupta
On Saturday 30 July 2005 3:49 am, Ferdinand Soethe wrote: Looking closely at document2html (in common) I have my doubts about the usefulness of translating every id-attribute into an html-anchor (a name=.../) element. Especially when I start using ids for CSS, it means that this drastically

Re: [views] Change of processing paradigm of forrest

2005-07-30 Thread Ross Gardler
Thorsten Scherler wrote: forrest:views will change the way we are processing a request. Please explain why your example below changes the *way* we process a request: forrest:contract name=content-feeder forrest:properties contract=content-feeder forrest:property

Simplifying forrest:views? (was Re: [views] Change of processing paradigm of forrest)

2005-07-30 Thread Ross Gardler
Thorsten Scherler wrote: I replied in a another response with respect to the processing paradigm. This response is about a different issue, hence the change in subject. The business helper that we have are best described by our most famous contract. forrest:contract name=content-feeder

Re: [views] Decoupling structure from presentation? Re: Dumping some ideas on views

2005-07-30 Thread Ross Gardler
Thorsten Scherler wrote: On Sat, 2005-07-16 at 00:54 -0700, Diwaker Gupta wrote: ... Then, I think we should build up a publicly available repository of the following: o contracts o views o skins contracts: As a very crude analogy, think of these as components in a portal or thinggies

Defining Views Terminology

2005-07-30 Thread Ross Gardler
[NOTE: this is my summary of my interpretation of *part* of the discussion at the views workshop at Apachecon. In other words I have tried to represent the views of those present, but may have got some bits wrong - this is a document for discussion not a final document. You can get the audio

Re: [views] Change of processing paradigm of forrest

2005-07-30 Thread Ross Gardler
Diwaker Gupta wrote: Forgive me for being obtuse, but I completely missed the change in procesing paradigm part :-) I mean, were you talking about a conceptual paradigm shift, or an implementation detail? Conceptually, IIUC, we still follow a dispatcher-view patter, no? See my overlapping

Re: Cool plugin: Voice

2005-07-30 Thread Antonio Gallardo
HANAX wrote: Unfortunatelly as far as I know in Opera there is only implementation in en. In general, there is significant lag between visual and audio in web technologies... Maybe other frequently used languages are implemented in other borwsers, but I doubt. And IMHO I think that X-V by

ApacheCon Summary [LONG]

2005-07-30 Thread Ross Gardler
This is *my* interpretation of the talks we have had (or at least the ones I was a part of), it does not necessarily represent the views of other devs, nor is it necessarily complete. We tried to include the views of devs not present (where they had been outlined on the list prior to ApacheCon),

[proposal] Forrest Wiki

2005-07-30 Thread Diwaker Gupta
A lot of Apache projects have their Wiki hosted at http://wiki.apache.org/general/. I think we *really* need a Wiki right now for Forrest, for the following reasons: o turn around time for making small documentation changes on the Forrest website is high o a Wiki will give chance to Forrest

Re: ApacheCon Summary [LONG]

2005-07-30 Thread Diwaker Gupta
Just a minor correction: On Saturday 30 July 2005 4:53 pm, Ross Gardler wrote: We had a design discussion about this and you can find Nicola's notes in SVN (see the hackathon directory in the etc directory of trunk). Together with the audio of our dicsussions (thanks David) These now live in

Re: [views] Change of processing paradigm of forrest

2005-07-30 Thread Diwaker Gupta
On Saturday 30 July 2005 4:38 pm, Ross Gardler wrote: o naming and terminology: what is a view? what is a template? given the same content (generated by some template), are there different views for each output type? This was discussed at the hackathon, and I just sent a mail to help us

Re: [views] Change of processing paradigm of forrest

2005-07-30 Thread Diwaker Gupta
On Saturday 30 July 2005 3:22 pm, Ross Gardler wrote: forrest:contract name=content-feeder forrest:properties contract=content-feeder forrest:property name=content-feeder nugget=get.nugget.feeder url/feeds/somefeed.xml/url /forrest:property

topics for discussion gathered at ApacheCon

2005-07-30 Thread David Crossley
Ross Gardler wrote: We discussed a roadmap, Nicola (or was it David) took some notes on it. Hopefullly he has read this far and still has the scraps of paper. Otherwise we need to recreate it here. Actually we were deliberately not calling it a roadmap. Rather topics for discussion. These and

Re: Quick glimpse at Forrest's memory usage [FOR-572]

2005-07-30 Thread David Crossley
Ron Blaschke wrote: I've taken a quick glimpse at Forrest's memory usage, using the lovely Yourkit Java Profiler (http://www.yourkit.com/). Thanks a million. That is one of our important tasks. I did the following: I ran forrest site in site-author/, and made a snapshot, quite at the end of

possible memory problems FOR-572 (Was: svn commit: r226346)

2005-07-30 Thread David Crossley
Ross Gardler wrote: Ferdinand Soethe wrote: Ross Gardler wrote: Hmmm... we had better create an issue for this, it smells of a memory leak. Done a while ago: FOR-572. Don't get me wrong I just took the first size that worked. Doesn't mean it has to be this much. Yeah, I understand

Re: [proposal] Forrest Wiki

2005-07-30 Thread David Crossley
Diwaker Gupta wrote: A lot of Apache projects have their Wiki hosted at http://wiki.apache.org/general/. I think we *really* need a Wiki right now for Forrest, for the following reasons: Not so fast. We have discussed this recently in the mail archives. The decision was not to do it because