Re: Error in HEAD - Console EAR problem

2005-08-29 Thread Jeremy Boynes
Donald Woods wrote: From my last post and further digging, it looks like the application.xml is not being included in the EAR - I have now seen this as well - no idea why and intermittent :-( -- Jeremy

External JMS provider for Gluecode AS

2005-08-29 Thread Chandu B Shivalingiah
Hi all, Gluecode Application Server uses ActiveMQ as it's JMS provider. I would like to know if Gluecode supports external JMS providers ? If not, are there any teams working on this ? I am specifically looking to use MQSeries as my JMS provider with Gluecode. Thanks, Chandu.B.S

Re: External JMS provider for Gluecode AS

2005-08-29 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Gluecode is a product based on Apache Geronimo. The Apache Geronimo project thus cannot offer advice or support on this. Your best bet would be to ask IBM (they purchased Gluecode). I think the correct email address is : [EMAIL PROTECTED] geir On Aug 29, 2005, at 3:49 AM, Chandu B

progress on mavenizing eclipse plugins

2005-08-29 Thread Sachin Patel
So after sitting down yesterday and doing a little reading... I have a much better understanding of Maven. :) I've decided to go with using M2, one of the reasons which I'm probably going to end up having to write a plugin and want to avoid massive jelly scripts. :) M1 provided a convenient

Re: progress on mavenizing eclipse plugins

2005-08-29 Thread Jeff Genender
Sachin Patel wrote: So after sitting down yesterday and doing a little reading... I have a much better understanding of Maven. :) I've decided to go with using M2, one of the reasons which I'm probably going to end up having to write a plugin and want to avoid massive jelly scripts. :)

Re: progress on mavenizing eclipse plugins

2005-08-29 Thread Sachin Patel
I totally agree that downloading 2 build tools for end users is bad. However, for this particular case I don't think doing this is AS bad. From a users standpoint, there going to just download the built image from the site and install it onto eclipse. From a developers standpoint,

Re: progress on mavenizing eclipse plugins

2005-08-29 Thread Jeff Genender
Sachin Patel wrote: I totally agree that downloading 2 build tools for end users is bad. However, for this particular case I don't think doing this is AS bad. From a users standpoint, there going to just download the built image from the site and install it onto eclipse. From a

Re: progress on mavenizing eclipse plugins

2005-08-29 Thread Matt Hogstrom
I think simpler is better and more consumable. +1 to Stay with Maven 1 Jeff Genender wrote: Sachin Patel wrote: I totally agree that downloading 2 build tools for end users is bad. However, for this particular case I don't think doing this is AS bad. From a users standpoint, there

Re: progress on mavenizing eclipse plugins

2005-08-29 Thread Sachin Patel
Yes, pretty sure. The layout of the m1 vs m2 repositories is different. In m1 you would have ${m1-repo}/group/artifact-1.0.jar ${m1-repo}/group/artifact-2.0.jar The poms would be under ${m1-repo}/group/poms/ Where in 2.0 it installs them as ...

Re: progress on mavenizing eclipse plugins

2005-08-29 Thread Sachin Patel
Correction: ${m1-repo}/group/jars/artifact-1.0.jar Sachin Patel wrote: Yes, pretty sure. The layout of the m1 vs m2 repositories is different. In m1 you would have ${m1-repo}/group/artifact-1.0.jar ${m1-repo}/group/artifact-2.0.jar The poms would be under ${m1-repo}/group/poms/ Where in

[jira] Updated: (GERONIMO-940) Dual contribution code in Geronimo has pedigree questions.

2005-08-29 Thread Rick McGuire (JIRA)
[ http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/GERONIMO-940?page=all ] Rick McGuire updated GERONIMO-940: -- Attachment: cleanroom.zip Dual contribution code in Geronimo has pedigree questions. --

[jira] Updated: (GERONIMO-930) Default host for open sockets (at least web ones) should be default host 0.0.0.0 and not localhost

2005-08-29 Thread Jeff Genender (JIRA)
[ http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/GERONIMO-930?page=all ] Jeff Genender updated GERONIMO-930: --- Priority: Critical (was: Major) I have declared 0.0.0.0 in the Tomcat connectors and they are now coming back as 127.0.0.1. This means the web

Re: progress on mavenizing eclipse plugins

2005-08-29 Thread Dain Sundstrom
I'm with david on this. Normally, I would encourage Sachin to use m1, but the eclipse build depends on having transitive dependencies and m1 doesn't have them. I think having an m2 build is better then having no build, which is what I think we would get with m1. -dain On Aug 29, 2005,

Re: progress on mavenizing eclipse plugins

2005-08-29 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On Aug 29, 2005, at 9:43 AM, Jeff Genender wrote: Sachin Patel wrote: So after sitting down yesterday and doing a little reading... I have a much better understanding of Maven. :) I've decided to go with using M2, one of the reasons which I'm probably going to end up having to write a

Re: progress on mavenizing eclipse plugins

2005-08-29 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On Aug 29, 2005, at 2:18 PM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: Also, will M2 build M1 projects? (Oh, please, please, please say it will...) According to the maven site, it can't. I'm going to see if I can install both, and create a maven shell script that figures out what the project is, and

Problem with the new config.xml and deployer.jar

2005-08-29 Thread David Jencks
There seems to be a problem with the new config.xml and running deployer.jar. If you override something in RuntimeDeployer and then run deployer.jar, your new section for RuntimeDeployer is removed. I'm not sure what a reasonable solution for this is. Any ideas? thanks david jencks

Re: progress on mavenizing eclipse plugins

2005-08-29 Thread Sachin Patel
Due to the current debates :) I'm trying to do both M1 and M2 in parallel, but probably M2 will be finished first. Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: On Aug 29, 2005, at 9:43 AM, Jeff Genender wrote: Sachin Patel wrote: So after sitting down yesterday and doing a little reading... I have a much

Re: Problem with the new config.xml and deployer.jar

2005-08-29 Thread David Jencks
On Aug 29, 2005, at 11:58 AM, Aaron Mulder wrote: On Mon, 29 Aug 2005, David Jencks wrote: There seems to be a problem with the new config.xml and running deployer.jar. If you override something in RuntimeDeployer and then run deployer.jar, your new section for RuntimeDeployer is removed.

Re: Problem with the new config.xml and deployer.jar

2005-08-29 Thread David Jencks
DOH! user error. I forgot the overwrite=true flag in ant:copy sorry for the false alarm david jencks On Aug 29, 2005, at 12:02 PM, David Jencks wrote: I'll investigate some more also. It is possible I'm making a mistake somewhere david jencks On Aug 29, 2005, at 12:17 PM, Aaron Mulder

[jira] Created: (GERONIMO-942) geronimo maven deployment plugin doesnt deal with jar overrides or config.xml

2005-08-29 Thread David Jencks (JIRA)
geronimo maven deployment plugin doesnt deal with jar overrides or config.xml - Key: GERONIMO-942 URL: http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/GERONIMO-942 Project: Geronimo Type: Bug

[jira] Created: (GERONIMO-944) Bundle a JavaMail implementation SMTP provider

2005-08-29 Thread Aaron Mulder (JIRA)
Bundle a JavaMail implementation SMTP provider Key: GERONIMO-944 URL: http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/GERONIMO-944 Project: Geronimo Type: Improvement Components: mail Versions: 1.0-M4 Reporter:

[jira] Closed: (GERONIMO-783) Test of TCK compoennt

2005-08-29 Thread Aaron Mulder (JIRA)
[ http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/GERONIMO-783?page=all ] Aaron Mulder closed GERONIMO-783: - Resolution: Fixed No longer needed Test of TCK compoennt - Key: GERONIMO-783 URL:

[jira] Updated: (GERONIMO-930) Default host for open sockets (at least web ones) should be default host 0.0.0.0 and not localhost

2005-08-29 Thread Aaron Mulder (JIRA)
[ http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/GERONIMO-930?page=all ] Aaron Mulder updated GERONIMO-930: -- Fix Version: 1.0-M5 Default host for open sockets (at least web ones) should be default host 0.0.0.0 and not localhost

[jira] Updated: (GERONIMO-306) Implement jdbc driver specific ExceptionSorter classes

2005-08-29 Thread Aaron Mulder (JIRA)
[ http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/GERONIMO-306?page=all ] Aaron Mulder updated GERONIMO-306: -- Fix Version: 1.0 Description: I've added a framework for driver specific exception handling in tranql connector. Each jdbc driver needs an

[jira] Updated: (GERONIMO-720) server should give client more feedback on deployment and starting configurations.

2005-08-29 Thread Aaron Mulder (JIRA)
[ http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/GERONIMO-720?page=all ] Aaron Mulder updated GERONIMO-720: -- Fix Version: 1.0 server should give client more feedback on deployment and starting configurations.

[jira] Created: (GERONIMO-945) Need to remove L-GPL licensed JmDNS usage from Geronimo

2005-08-29 Thread Donald Woods (JIRA)
Need to remove L-GPL licensed JmDNS usage from Geronimo --- Key: GERONIMO-945 URL: http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/GERONIMO-945 Project: Geronimo Type: Bug Components: ActiveMQ Versions: 1.0-M5

[jira] Updated: (GERONIMO-513) jndi refs should result in dependencies, optionally

2005-08-29 Thread Aaron Mulder (JIRA)
[ http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/GERONIMO-513?page=all ] Aaron Mulder updated GERONIMO-513: -- Fix Version: 1.0 Description: After non-reference gbean dependencies (GERONIMO-512) are implemented, jndi refs should result in creating these

[jira] Updated: (GERONIMO-406) Move assembly out of modules

2005-08-29 Thread Aaron Mulder (JIRA)
[ http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/GERONIMO-406?page=all ] Aaron Mulder updated GERONIMO-406: -- type: Improvement (was: Bug) Fix Version: 1.0-M5 Description: The main reason for the uber-build is really the circular dependency

[jira] Updated: (GERONIMO-556) Optional resource refs

2005-08-29 Thread Aaron Mulder (JIRA)
[ http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/GERONIMO-556?page=all ] Aaron Mulder updated GERONIMO-556: -- Fix Version: 1.0 Description: Right now, all resource refs (and other jndi entries) specified in a spec-dd must be resolved during deployment or

Build Error

2005-08-29 Thread Aaron Mulder
In openejb/modules/itests: BUILD FAILED File.. /Users/ammulder/.maven/cache/maven-multiproject-plugin-1.3.1/plugin.jelly Element... maven:reactor Line.. 217 Column 9 Unable to obtain goal [ejb:install] --

Re: [jira] Created: (GERONIMO-944) Bundle a JavaMail implementation SMTP provider

2005-08-29 Thread Joe Bohn
I don't think that we're recommending use of Sun JavaMail now, are we? I think that's just a way that we can run some type of provider to validate the javamail admin portlet until we can get things straightened out with our own smtp provider. After all, the patch for the admin portlet

Re: Build Error

2005-08-29 Thread David Jencks
I did this with changes to the deployment plugin. Working on a fix david jencks On Aug 29, 2005, at 3:12 PM, Aaron Mulder wrote: In openejb/modules/itests: BUILD FAILED File.. /Users/ammulder/.maven/cache/maven-multiproject-plugin-1.3.1/ plugin.jelly Element... maven:reactor

[jira] Created: (GERONIMO-946) Don't initialize all GBean properties to 0/null if not provided

2005-08-29 Thread Aaron Mulder (JIRA)
Don't initialize all GBean properties to 0/null if not provided --- Key: GERONIMO-946 URL: http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/GERONIMO-946 Project: Geronimo Type: Bug Components: kernel Versions:

[jira] Closed: (GERONIMO-946) Don't initialize all GBean properties to 0/null if not provided

2005-08-29 Thread Aaron Mulder (JIRA)
[ http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/GERONIMO-946?page=all ] Aaron Mulder closed GERONIMO-946: - Resolution: Fixed Fixed in revision 233346 Don't initialize all GBean properties to 0/null if not provided

[jira] Updated: (GERONIMO-911) Admin Console should require SSL

2005-08-29 Thread Aaron Mulder (JIRA)
[ http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/GERONIMO-911?page=all ] Aaron Mulder updated GERONIMO-911: -- Fix Version: Wish List The only problem I have with this is that our SSL cert is self-signed, so that would mean everyone who visits the console (at

[jira] Updated: (GERONIMO-268) Connection Error handling problems

2005-08-29 Thread Aaron Mulder (JIRA)
[ http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/GERONIMO-268?page=all ] Aaron Mulder updated GERONIMO-268: -- Fix Version: 1.0-M5 Description: A managed connection that encounters a fatal error and calls ConnectionErrorOccured on the

[jira] Updated: (GERONIMO-891) Improve the Java Mail portlet

2005-08-29 Thread Aaron Mulder (JIRA)
[ http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/GERONIMO-891?page=all ] Aaron Mulder updated GERONIMO-891: -- Fix Version: 1.0 Improve the Java Mail portlet - Key: GERONIMO-891 URL:

[jira] Updated: (GERONIMO-927) Provide a statement cache for TranQL for JDBCs drivers that don't inherintly provide this functionality.

2005-08-29 Thread Aaron Mulder (JIRA)
[ http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/GERONIMO-927?page=all ] Aaron Mulder updated GERONIMO-927: -- Fix Version: 1.0 Version: 1.0-M4 (was: 1.0) Provide a statement cache for TranQL for JDBCs drivers that don't inherintly

[jira] Updated: (GERONIMO-434) Connection factories extracted from conceptually wrong gbean

2005-08-29 Thread Aaron Mulder (JIRA)
[ http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/GERONIMO-434?page=all ] Aaron Mulder updated GERONIMO-434: -- Fix Version: 1.0 Version: 1.0-M4 (was: 1.0) Connection factories extracted from conceptually wrong gbean

[jira] Updated: (GERONIMO-922) Provide a simple filter to show or hide Geronimo system applications in the Application views.

2005-08-29 Thread Aaron Mulder (JIRA)
[ http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/GERONIMO-922?page=all ] Aaron Mulder updated GERONIMO-922: -- Fix Version: 1.0-M5 Provide a simple filter to show or hide Geronimo system applications in the Application views.

[jira] Updated: (GERONIMO-923) Creation of new open-ejb.jar xml requires EnterpriseBeansType element

2005-08-29 Thread Aaron Mulder (JIRA)
[ http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/GERONIMO-923?page=all ] Aaron Mulder updated GERONIMO-923: -- Fix Version: 1.0 Creation of new open-ejb.jar xml requires EnterpriseBeansType element

[jira] Updated: (GERONIMO-940) Dual contribution code in Geronimo has pedigree questions.

2005-08-29 Thread Aaron Mulder (JIRA)
[ http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/GERONIMO-940?page=all ] Aaron Mulder updated GERONIMO-940: -- Fix Version: 1.0-M5 Version: 1.0-M4 (was: 1.0-M5) (was: 1.0) Dual contribution code in Geronimo has

[jira] Updated: (GERONIMO-637) LogFactory.release(ClassLoader) can release the parent config's logger.

2005-08-29 Thread Aaron Mulder (JIRA)
[ http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/GERONIMO-637?page=all ] Aaron Mulder updated GERONIMO-637: -- Fix Version: 1.0 Version: 1.0-M4 Environment: LogFactory.release(ClassLoader) can release the parent config's logger.

Re: progress on mavenizing eclipse plugins

2005-08-29 Thread Jeff Genender
Sachin Patel wrote: Due to the current debates :) I'm trying to do both M1 and M2 in parallel, but probably M2 will be finished first. Thank you, I think this ultimately will be the best solution. Jeff Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: On Aug 29, 2005, at 9:43 AM, Jeff Genender wrote:

[jira] Closed: (GERONIMO-322) NullPointerException in GeronimoLog

2005-08-29 Thread Aaron Mulder (JIRA)
[ http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/GERONIMO-322?page=all ] Aaron Mulder closed GERONIMO-322: - Fix Version: 1.0-M5 Resolution: Cannot Reproduce NullPointerException in GeronimoLog --- Key:

[jira] Updated: (GERONIMO-624) WinXP: Testsuite: org.openejb.deployment.entity.cmp.cmr.onetoone.OneToOneTest failed

2005-08-29 Thread Aaron Mulder (JIRA)
[ http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/GERONIMO-624?page=all ] Aaron Mulder updated GERONIMO-624: -- Fix Version: Wish List Description: At svn rev 159684. Was running maven with -X flag at the time trying to track down a different problem.

[jira] Updated: (GERONIMO-593) Make error handling in deployment plugin more user friendly

2005-08-29 Thread Aaron Mulder (JIRA)
[ http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/GERONIMO-593?page=all ] Aaron Mulder updated GERONIMO-593: -- Fix Version: 1.0 Description: E.G. for a Connection reset error, rather than dumping out approx 37 lines of stack trace, just output a message

[jira] Updated: (GERONIMO-597) Access failure ,message does not need to log stacktrace

2005-08-29 Thread Aaron Mulder (JIRA)
[ http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/GERONIMO-597?page=all ] Aaron Mulder updated GERONIMO-597: -- Fix Version: 1.0 Environment: Access failure ,message does not need to log stacktrace ---

[jira] Resolved: (GERONIMO-500) Excessive error output when deployment of a plan fails due to a validation error

2005-08-29 Thread Aaron Mulder (JIRA)
[ http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/GERONIMO-500?page=all ] Aaron Mulder resolved GERONIMO-500: --- Fix Version: 1.0-M5 Resolution: Fixed Assign To: (was: Gianny Damour) This should have been reduced somewhat by the elimination of

[jira] Updated: (GERONIMO-630) Allow for exclusion dependencies

2005-08-29 Thread Aaron Mulder (JIRA)
[ http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/GERONIMO-630?page=all ] Aaron Mulder updated GERONIMO-630: -- Fix Version: 1.1 Environment: Allow for exclusion dependencies Key: GERONIMO-630 URL:

[jira] Updated: (GERONIMO-301) Nightly build/test on Linux

2005-08-29 Thread Aaron Mulder (JIRA)
[ http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/GERONIMO-301?page=all ] Aaron Mulder updated GERONIMO-301: -- Fix Version: Wish List Environment: Nightly build/test on Linux --- Key: GERONIMO-301 URL:

[jira] Updated: (GERONIMO-304) Nightly build/test on Windows

2005-08-29 Thread Aaron Mulder (JIRA)
[ http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/GERONIMO-304?page=all ] Aaron Mulder updated GERONIMO-304: -- Fix Version: Wish List Environment: Nightly build/test on Windows - Key: GERONIMO-304 URL:

[jira] Updated: (GERONIMO-303) Nightly build/test on Mac OS X

2005-08-29 Thread Aaron Mulder (JIRA)
[ http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/GERONIMO-303?page=all ] Aaron Mulder updated GERONIMO-303: -- Fix Version: Wish List Environment: Nightly build/test on Mac OS X -- Key: GERONIMO-303 URL:

[jira] Updated: (GERONIMO-302) Nightly build/test on FreeBSD

2005-08-29 Thread Aaron Mulder (JIRA)
[ http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/GERONIMO-302?page=all ] Aaron Mulder updated GERONIMO-302: -- Fix Version: Wish List Environment: Nightly build/test on FreeBSD - Key: GERONIMO-302 URL:

[jira] Resolved: (GERONIMO-697) Need guidance for new users upon successful server startup

2005-08-29 Thread Aaron Mulder (JIRA)
[ http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/GERONIMO-697?page=all ] Aaron Mulder resolved GERONIMO-697: --- Fix Version: 1.0-M5 Resolution: Fixed Assign To: Aaron Mulder Not precisely the request of this issue, but the latest startup output

[jira] Commented: (GERONIMO-942) geronimo maven deployment plugin doesnt deal with jar overrides or config.xml

2005-08-29 Thread David Jencks (JIRA)
[ http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/GERONIMO-942?page=comments#action_12320509 ] David Jencks commented on GERONIMO-942: --- Original change didn't work if src/config was missing. Changed to copy over all of src/var if it exists and not fail if it

[jira] Commented: (GERONIMO-830) cviewer trash???? (or at least I think it's trash)

2005-08-29 Thread Aaron Mulder (JIRA)
[ http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/GERONIMO-830?page=comments#action_12320510 ] Aaron Mulder commented on GERONIMO-830: --- Can you explain what you're seeing in more detail? After I build Geronimo, my

[jira] Updated: (GERONIMO-830) cviewer trash???? (or at least I think it's trash)

2005-08-29 Thread Aaron Mulder (JIRA)
[ http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/GERONIMO-830?page=all ] Aaron Mulder updated GERONIMO-830: -- Fix Version: 1.0-M5 Assign To: Aaron Mulder cviewer trash (or at least I think it's trash) --

[jira] Created: (GERONIMO-947) Configuration should have multiple parents

2005-08-29 Thread David Jencks (JIRA)
Configuration should have multiple parents -- Key: GERONIMO-947 URL: http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/GERONIMO-947 Project: Geronimo Type: Bug Components: kernel Versions: 1.0-M5 Reporter: David Jencks

[jira] Updated: (GERONIMO-663) Request to improve Geronimo's JMX support for remote management systems

2005-08-29 Thread Aaron Mulder (JIRA)
[ http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/GERONIMO-663?page=all ] Aaron Mulder updated GERONIMO-663: -- Fix Version: 1.0 Do you happen to have a reference for how to access that data from Tomcat? Request to improve Geronimo's JMX support for remote

[jira] Commented: (GERONIMO-947) Configuration should have multiple parents

2005-08-29 Thread David Jencks (JIRA)
[ http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/GERONIMO-947?page=comments#action_12320513 ] David Jencks commented on GERONIMO-947: --- Step 1: Sending

eclipse Distribution site proposal

2005-08-29 Thread Sachin Patel
It may take some time to get the subproject website set up and I'm still working on getting the plugins mavenized. In the meantime could we either set up a distribute update site on Geronimo or even easier just post the latest distribution zip on the main site? I've already sent a note out

Re: eclipse Distribution site proposal

2005-08-29 Thread Dain Sundstrom
On Aug 29, 2005, at 4:52 PM, Sachin Patel wrote: It may take some time to get the subproject website set up and I'm still working on getting the plugins mavenized. In the meantime could we either set up a distribute update site on Geronimo or even easier just post the latest distribution

Re: User Configuration of ports, etc.

2005-08-29 Thread Sastry Malladi
Aaron Mulder wrote: I have a change ready that lets us mark certain GBean attributes as manageable, meaning that we expect the user be interested in potentially overriding that value. Then there's a service that tracks values for some or all of these manageable attributes, currently

[jira] Created: (GERONIMO-948) Need reference counting on load/start of configurations

2005-08-29 Thread David Jencks (JIRA)
Need reference counting on load/start of configurations --- Key: GERONIMO-948 URL: http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/GERONIMO-948 Project: Geronimo Type: Bug Components: kernel Versions: 1.0-M5

[jira] Commented: (GERONIMO-830) cviewer trash???? (or at least I think it's trash)

2005-08-29 Thread Joe Bohn (JIRA)
[ http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/GERONIMO-830?page=comments#action_12320517 ] Joe Bohn commented on GERONIMO-830: --- It appears that this was cleaned-up in some earlier build. I noticed that it disappeared a few weeks back. This JIRA can be

Re: progress on mavenizing eclipse plugins

2005-08-29 Thread Brett Porter
Geir, Plan for this is to have the m2 CLI detect project.xml and run Maven 1.1 embedded. I think I had this mostly working, but it hasn't been bundled with a release yet. I'll take another look. - BrettOn 8/30/05, Geir Magnusson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 29, 2005, at 2:18 PM, Geir