Re: DayTrader - porting MarketSummaryInterval changes from 2.0 to 1.2 and preparing to release

2007-10-03 Thread Jeff Genender
Christopher Blythe wrote: Actually, I'm suggesting we pull the web services out of DayTrader all together and write another web services sample app. If DayTrader is truly meant to be a performance benchmark, why would you leave something in there that is in clear violation of performance

Re: DayTrader - porting MarketSummaryInterval changes from 2.0 to 1.2 and preparing to release

2007-10-03 Thread Christopher Blythe
Actually, I'm suggesting we pull the web services out of DayTrader all together and write another web services sample app. If DayTrader is truly meant to be a performance benchmark, why would you leave something in there that is in clear violation of performance best practices. Doesn't exactly

Re: DayTrader - porting MarketSummaryInterval changes from 2.0 to 1.2 and preparing to release

2007-10-03 Thread Christopher Blythe
Jeff... I agree with you on both counts. Perhaps I should present this from another vantage point. If you were an application developer, would you use web services in the manner they are currently used in DayTrader? Or would you try to adhere to most documented best practices and steer clear of

Re: DayTrader - porting MarketSummaryInterval changes from 2.0 to 1.2 and preparing to release

2007-10-03 Thread Jeff Genender
Christopher Blythe wrote: Jeff... I agree with you on both counts. Perhaps I should present this from another vantage point. If you were an application developer, would you use web services in the manner they are currently used in DayTrader? Or would you try to adhere to most documented best

Re: DayTrader - porting MarketSummaryInterval changes from 2.0 to 1.2 and preparing to release

2007-10-03 Thread David Jencks
On Oct 3, 2007, at 7:36 AM, Jeff Genender wrote: Christopher Blythe wrote: Jeff... I agree with you on both counts. Perhaps I should present this from another vantage point. If you were an application developer, would you use web services in the manner they are currently used in

Re: DayTrader - porting MarketSummaryInterval changes from 2.0 to 1.2 and preparing to release

2007-10-03 Thread Christopher Blythe
ah now you're pointing out the distinctions between primitives and a real application workload. currently, the web services within daytrader are presented in the context of a workload not a primitive. if you want to measure the web services overhead and the impact of payloads with varying

Re: DayTrader - porting MarketSummaryInterval changes from 2.0 to 1.2 and preparing to release

2007-10-03 Thread Matt Hogstrom
So to cl;arify I think DayTrader may be mis-characterized as only a benchmark. I think it is used for a variety of functions of which only one aspect is performance. the other aspects are testing infrastructure, sample application (which includes deployments plans for various pieces of

Re: DayTrader - porting MarketSummaryInterval changes from 2.0 to 1.2 and preparing to release

2007-10-03 Thread Christopher Blythe
ahh... come on matt... this is good discussion... we finally have people thinking (and talking) about where we should or shouldn't take DayTrader in the future. there hasn't been enough of that! i think short term, the disclaimers serve the purpose. however, long term... daytrader will lose it's

Re: DayTrader - porting MarketSummaryInterval changes from 2.0 to 1.2 and preparing to release

2007-10-03 Thread Matt Hogstrom
heh .. didn't mean to derail discussion. I think what would make sense would be to move the web services from runtime mode to a set of primitives. Does it make sense to also rework the message for what DayTrader is all about? On Oct 3, 2007, at 1:34 PM, Christopher Blythe wrote: ahh...

Re: DayTrader - porting MarketSummaryInterval changes from 2.0 to 1.2 and preparing to release

2007-10-02 Thread Matt Hogstrom
On Oct 1, 2007, at 11:23 PM, Christopher Blythe wrote: Matt... In summary, I guess I really just wanted to say that I feel the web services modes in DayTrader should be removed at least until we can come up with something better. If the only reason to keep these around is to provide a

DayTrader - porting MarketSummaryInterval changes from 2.0 to 1.2 and preparing to release

2007-10-01 Thread Matt Hogstrom
I'm going to port the market summary interval changes back from 2.0 to 1.2 so we can get comparable numbers between the versions. With that I'd like to sugggest we wrap up 1.2 and 2.0 and release these. Are there any outstanding changes folks want before we let these releases out?

Re: DayTrader - porting MarketSummaryInterval changes from 2.0 to 1.2 and preparing to release

2007-10-01 Thread Christopher Blythe
Matt... Here are a few minor things that come to mind. - Ensure license files, etc. are up to snuff - Review readme files to make sure instructions are correct. For the J2EE client apps, there should be some mention of setting the endorsed directory - Make sure config changes are propagated to