Re: Ode proposal

2006-02-17 Thread Davanum Srinivas
Hmm...Can we apply the same criteria to *ALL* committers (including those listed in the status page now?) One more question, Since Noel (as the PMC Chair) talked about Incubator pmc sponsoring this, can we please reflect that and ask for a ppmc mailing list as well? thanks, dims On 2/17/06,

Re: Ode proposal

2006-02-17 Thread Guillaume Nodet
Sorry, I may have missed something .. Are you suggesting that the project start with 0 committers and that everyone should be brought in by submitting patches ? ;) What are the proposed criteria for selecting initial committers ? Cheers, Guillaume Nodet Davanum Srinivas wrote: Hmm...Can we

Re: Ode proposal

2006-02-17 Thread Alan D. Cabrera
Davanum Srinivas wrote, On 2/17/2006 12:01 PM: Hmm...Can we apply the same criteria to *ALL* committers (including those listed in the status page now?) One more question, Since Noel (as the PMC Chair) talked about Incubator pmc sponsoring this, can we please reflect that and ask for a ppmc

Re: Ode proposal

2006-02-17 Thread Matthieu Riou
Well, if we proceed only by patch submission, there won't be anybody from Sybase or Intalio to start with. Perhaps a couple of developers could be picked up for each product and then we'll apply the usual meritocracy rules for the others. What do you think? Regards, Matthieu. On 2/17/06, Alan

Re: Ode proposal

2006-02-17 Thread Davanum Srinivas
As far as i can remember, We started Harmony with Zero code and Zero committers...It's been done before :) I asked Can we? not We should :) You are right, we need to set guidelines for selecting inital committers. Not sure where to start. ideas are welcome. -- dims On 2/17/06, Guillaume Nodet

Re: Ode proposal

2006-02-17 Thread Brett Porter
On 2/18/06, Davanum Srinivas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As far as i can remember, We started Harmony with Zero code and Zero committers...It's been done before :) I suspect Geir was on there :) That's an unusual example given the legal requirements of contributors. You are right, we need to set

Re: Ode proposal

2006-02-17 Thread Davanum Srinivas
Sanjiva, Please hang on for my next email :) -- dims On 2/17/06, Sanjiva Weerawarana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2006-02-17 at 11:42 -0800, Alan D. Cabrera wrote: One thing that should be resolved as soon as possible is how we will bring in new members. At the moment there are 17

Re: Ode Proposal (Sybase BPEL engine donation))

2006-02-15 Thread James Strachan
On 15 Feb 2006, at 16:31, Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote: On Wed, 2006-02-15 at 15:56 +, James Strachan wrote: Dims Sanjiva Given your arguments that the Sybase BPEL donation should be in a new podling rather than part of ServiceMix - I wonder if you'd like to join us in the ODE proposal

Re: Ode Proposal (Sybase BPEL engine donation))

2006-02-15 Thread James Strachan
Dims Sanjiva Given your arguments that the Sybase BPEL donation should be in a new podling rather than part of ServiceMix - I wonder if you'd like to join us in the ODE proposal then we can have a united Apache community with folks from Agila, Geronimo, ServiceMix, WS involved

Re: Ode Proposal (Sybase BPEL engine donation))

2006-02-15 Thread Sanjiva Weerawarana
On Wed, 2006-02-15 at 15:56 +, James Strachan wrote: Dims Sanjiva Given your arguments that the Sybase BPEL donation should be in a new podling rather than part of ServiceMix - I wonder if you'd like to join us in the ODE proposal then we can have a united Apache community

Re: Ode Proposal (Sybase BPEL engine donation))

2006-02-15 Thread Davanum Srinivas
arguments that the Sybase BPEL donation should be in a new podling rather than part of ServiceMix - I wonder if you'd like to join us in the ODE proposal then we can have a united Apache community with folks from Agila, Geronimo, ServiceMix, WS involved to insure plenty of cross pollination. http

Re: Ode Proposal (Sybase BPEL engine donation))

2006-02-15 Thread James Strachan
On 15 Feb 2006, at 16:31, Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote: On Wed, 2006-02-15 at 15:56 +, James Strachan wrote: Dims Sanjiva Given your arguments that the Sybase BPEL donation should be in a new podling rather than part of ServiceMix - I wonder if you'd like to join us in the ODE proposal

Re: Ode Proposal (Sybase BPEL engine donation))

2006-02-15 Thread James Strachan
On 15 Feb 2006, at 16:54, Davanum Srinivas wrote: James, Thanks for taking the first step. Yes, please add me in as a mentor. Here's some feedback first about the proposal before we take the next step. - AFAIK, Geronimo PMC has not voted on this proposal. We kinda voted already on G-PMC but

Re: Ode Proposal (Sybase BPEL engine donation))

2006-02-15 Thread Dain Sundstrom
On Feb 15, 2006, at 3:09 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Sanjiva, - Given the, um, strong feelings expressed by so many people about this project, how about if we get the Incubator PMC to sponsor this poddling? Agreed. That is what I said to the Geronimo PMC, as well. The Incubator PMC

Re: Ode Proposal (Sybase BPEL engine donation))

2006-02-15 Thread Greg Stein
[trimmed individuals and pmc's from the cc: list] On Wed, Feb 15, 2006 at 03:22:23PM -0800, Dain Sundstrom wrote: On Feb 15, 2006, at 3:09 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Sanjiva, - Given the, um, strong feelings expressed by so many people about this project, how about if we get the Incubator

Re: Ode Proposal (Sybase BPEL engine donation))

2006-02-15 Thread Bruce Snyder
On 2/15/06, Greg Stein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A number of folks here in the Incubator believe it is best to establish a community with no prior ties, and have repeated that on a number of occasions (including Sanjiva's and Noel's comments today). The general belief is that this will create

RE: Ode Proposal (Sybase BPEL engine donation))

2006-02-15 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Sanjiva, - Given the, um, strong feelings expressed by so many people about this project, how about if we get the Incubator PMC to sponsor this poddling? Agreed. That is what I said to the Geronimo PMC, as well. The Incubator PMC will sponsor the project. --- Noel

RE: Ode Proposal

2006-02-14 Thread George Gastaldi
I would like to participate also, if that is possible. Thanks ! -Original Message- From: Alan D. Cabrera [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 4:36 AM To: dev@geronimo.apache.org; general@incubator.apache.org; servicemix-dev@geronimo.apache.org Subject: Ode Proposal

Re: Ode Proposal

2006-02-14 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr
The Geronimo PMC needs to vote on sponsoring this. Before you do that, just to start the discussion : - Why would the Geronimo PMC sponsor this? - Isn't BPEL a bit far afield from J2EE, which is our charter as a PMC? - How about bringing it to Agila, which already has a good start on BPEL and

Re: Ode Proposal

2006-02-14 Thread ian . d . stewart
@geronimo.apache.org cc: 02/14/2006 02:35 Subject: Ode Proposal

Re: Ode Proposal

2006-02-14 Thread James Strachan
On 14 Feb 2006, at 15:03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Allan, This proposal appears to be gear towards the web services/SOA community. Is support for orchestration of non-WS business processes considered out of scope for Ode? No - the code should be reusable for most orchestration needs;

Re: Ode Proposal

2006-02-14 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr
mail.comcc: general@incubator.apache.org, servicemix-dev@geronimo.apache.org Subject: Re: Ode Proposal

Re: Ode Proposal

2006-02-14 Thread Guillaume Nodet
mail.comcc: general@incubator.apache.org, servicemix-dev@geronimo.apache.org Subject: Re: Ode Proposal 02/14/2006 10:10

Re: Ode Proposal

2006-02-14 Thread ian . d . stewart
Subject: Re: Ode Proposal 02/14/2006 10:10 AM

Re: Ode Proposal

2006-02-14 Thread Bill Flood
Alan, the Sybase developers that will work on this project areLance Waterman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cory Harper [EMAIL PROTECTED] John Childs [EMAIL PROTECTED]Jan-Hua Chu [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sandip Ghayal [EMAIL PROTECTED]BillOn 2/14/06, Alan D. Cabrera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok.Here's the proposal

Re: Ode Proposal

2006-02-14 Thread Bill Flood
mail.comcc: general@incubator.apache.org, servicemix-dev@geronimo.apache.org Subject:Re: Ode Proposal 02/14/2006 10:10 AM Please respond to dev On 14 Feb 2006, at 15:03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Allan, This proposal appears to be gear towards the web services/SOA community. Is support for orchestration

Re: Ode Proposal

2006-02-14 Thread ian . d . stewart
: Subject: Re: Ode Proposal 02/14/2006 11:10 AM

Re: Ode Proposal

2006-02-14 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr
mail.comcc: general@incubator.apache.org, servicemix-dev@geronimo.apache.org Subject: Re: Ode Proposal 02/14/2006 10:10 AM Please respond

Re: Ode Proposal

2006-02-14 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bill Flood wrote: The source can be found here: ftp://ftp.sybase.com/pub/incoming/wcss/bpe/ - From one of the .java files: * Confidential property of Sybase, Inc. * * Copyright 1987 - 2006. * * Sybase, Inc. All rights reserved. * Unpublished

Re: Ode Proposal

2006-02-14 Thread Bill Flood
The license is in the tarball and/or you can see it directly at ftp://ftp.sybase.com/pub/incoming/wcss/bpe/SourceCodeEvaluationAgreement.txt without dowloading the tarball.On 2/14/06, Rodent of Unusual Size [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-Hash: SHA1Bill Flood wrote: The

Re: Ode Proposal

2006-02-14 Thread cory
The license is in the tarball. I've also put it at: ftp://ftp.sybase.com/pub/incoming/wcss/bpe/ -cory On 2/14/06, Rodent of Unusual Size [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bill Flood wrote: The source can be found here:

Re: Ode Proposal

2006-02-14 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bill Flood wrote: The license is in the tarball and/or you can see it directly at ftp://ftp.sybase.com/pub/incoming/wcss/bpe/SourceCodeEvaluationAgreement.txt without dowloading the tarball. Thanks, Bill, Cory! - -- #kenP-)} Ken Coar,

Re: Ode Proposal

2006-02-14 Thread Bill Flood
Alan, I would like to throw my name in the hat and become actively involved.Bill Flood Sybase [EMAIL PROTECTED]On 2/14/06, Alan D. Cabrera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok.Here's the proposal http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OdeProposal.Please feel free to comment.Bill Flood, can you provide us with

Ode Proposal

2006-02-13 Thread Alan D. Cabrera
Ok. Here's the proposal http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OdeProposal. Please feel free to comment. Bill Flood, can you provide us with the list of Sybase developers that wish to work on this project? Can you get the Software Grant paperwork faxed in? Any other ASF committers want to