Too easy to kill the server using the web console

2007-08-28 Thread Joe Bohn
GERONIMO-3401 ( https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/GERONIMO-3401 ) records a problem where it is possible for the user to cripple the web console, the server or both with 1 or 2 mouse clicks. When stopping some system-modules such as the following from the web console, the web console

Re: Too easy to kill the server using the web console

2007-08-28 Thread Erik B. Craig
Joe, I did actually not-so-gracefully stumble into this previously, so I do know the pain it can cause. I think perhaps the best behavior in this situation might be to not only prevent removal of components that would cripple the console, but also display a prompt when it is attempted saying

Re: Too easy to kill the server using the web console

2007-08-28 Thread David Jencks
I don't like prohibiting people from doing stuff because we think we know better. I think there are valid reasons to stop and uninstall most of these modules, although you may need to be an expert to be able to start the server afterwards. How about if for both stop and uninstall we show

Re: Too easy to kill the server using the web console

2007-08-28 Thread Aaron Mulder
I guess we could also disable stop and undeploy for the system modules and have an expert mode checkbox or something on the screen to enable them again. That ought to be clue enough. :) Thanks, Aaron On 8/28/07, Aaron Mulder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It probably would still be good to

Re: Too easy to kill the server using the web console

2007-08-28 Thread Aaron Mulder
It probably would still be good to have some text like WARNING: only expert users will be able to restart the server after this is done. Just seeing a list of components to be stopped won't necessarily clue in the average user to the potential impact... But of course we'd only want to display

Re: Too easy to kill the server using the web console

2007-08-28 Thread Joe Bohn
David Jencks wrote: I don't like prohibiting people from doing stuff because we think we know better. I think there are valid reasons to stop and uninstall most of these modules, although you may need to be an expert to be able to start the server afterwards. Yes, I see your point ... and

Re: Too easy to kill the server using the web console

2007-08-28 Thread Joe Bohn
Both good suggestions. Thanks! Joe Aaron Mulder wrote: I guess we could also disable stop and undeploy for the system modules and have an expert mode checkbox or something on the screen to enable them again. That ought to be clue enough. :) Thanks, Aaron On 8/28/07, Aaron Mulder

Re: Too easy to kill the server using the web console

2007-08-28 Thread Matt Hogstrom
I like that idea. Keep people safe but let them blaze on if they so desire. On Aug 28, 2007, at 12:02 PM, Aaron Mulder wrote: I guess we could also disable stop and undeploy for the system modules and have an expert mode checkbox or something on the screen to enable them again. That ought

Re: Too easy to kill the server using the web console

2007-08-28 Thread Matt Hogstrom
One other thought...perhaps we could play an audio clip of a shotgun or other firearm action being moved to suggest the consequences of hitting enter :) On Aug 28, 2007, at 12:02 PM, Aaron Mulder wrote: I guess we could also disable stop and undeploy for the system modules and have an

Re: Too easy to kill the server using the web console

2007-08-28 Thread Vamsavardhana Reddy
Or simulate some burning smell by maxing on the CPU and burning some hardware if possible :o) On 8/29/07, Matt Hogstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One other thought...perhaps we could play an audio clip of a shotgun or other firearm action being moved to suggest the consequences of hitting