Re: removal of spring dependencies from cxf module

2007-09-11 Thread Kevan Miller
On Sep 11, 2007, at 5:37 PM, Jarek Gawor wrote: I think we have an acceptable solution for this whole CXF/Spring issue. First, CXF will continue to be configured with Spring as before. Second, all web applications will now get an automatic filtering for Spring classes and resources. That shoul

Re: removal of spring dependencies from cxf module

2007-09-11 Thread Jarek Gawor
I think we have an acceptable solution for this whole CXF/Spring issue. First, CXF will continue to be configured with Spring as before. Second, all web applications will now get an automatic filtering for Spring classes and resources. That should enable applications to have their own versions of

Re: removal of spring dependencies from cxf module

2007-08-27 Thread Jeff Genender
No...that made much more sense to me ;-) I think convenience is the way to go. I am following you now. Thanks, Jeff David Jencks wrote: > > On Aug 27, 2007, at 11:26 AM, Jeff Genender wrote: > >> David, >> >> So perhaps I am missing something and you could help clarify this. You >> say "It'

Re: removal of spring dependencies from cxf module

2007-08-27 Thread David Jencks
On Aug 27, 2007, at 11:26 AM, Jeff Genender wrote: David, So perhaps I am missing something and you could help clarify this. You say "It's by no means obvious to me that treating this as a problem with the coding of our classloaders is appropriate." Yet in your 1, 2, and 3 options, yo

Re: removal of spring dependencies from cxf module

2007-08-27 Thread Kevan Miller
On Aug 27, 2007, at 2:16 PM, David Jencks wrote: On Aug 27, 2007, at 9:06 AM, Jeff Genender wrote: Kevan Miller wrote: Cool down a minute and think about this. What happens in tomcat if you want to use cxf + an incompatible version of spring in your app? You bundle cxf + spring

Re: removal of spring dependencies from cxf module

2007-08-27 Thread Jeff Genender
David, So perhaps I am missing something and you could help clarify this. You say "It's by no means obvious to me that treating this as a problem with the coding of our classloaders is appropriate." Yet in your 1, 2, and 3 options, you seem to be saying its basically a problem with classloading.

Re: removal of spring dependencies from cxf module

2007-08-27 Thread David Jencks
On Aug 27, 2007, at 9:06 AM, Jeff Genender wrote: Kevan Miller wrote: K. Can you explain to me what functionality is being taken away? Dan said function would be lost, but then listed functionality and said that configuring them "becomes quite a bit harder". Nor do I know how this increas

Re: removal of spring dependencies from cxf module

2007-08-27 Thread Kevan Miller
I've CC:ed you. However, I'd prefer that you respond to the dev list, only (or cc: me, not reply directly). My mail rules for email addressed directly to me puts mail in my personal folder. I monitor Geronimo mail more frequently than personal mail... ;-) Perhaps I need to tweak my rules a

Re: removal of spring dependencies from cxf module

2007-08-27 Thread Jeff Genender
Kevan Miller wrote: > K. Can you explain to me what functionality is being taken away? Dan > said function would be lost, but then listed functionality and said that > configuring them "becomes quite a bit harder". Nor do I know how this > increased complexity would be who bears the burden for th

Re: removal of spring dependencies from cxf module

2007-08-27 Thread Kevan Miller
On Aug 27, 2007, at 10:11 AM, Jeff Genender wrote: Kevan Miller wrote: On Aug 25, 2007, at 5:44 PM, Daniel Kulp wrote: From my standpoint, it would be greatly preferred if you could find a way to leave spring for CXF. There is definitely a lot of functionality that would be lost if

Re: removal of spring dependencies from cxf module

2007-08-27 Thread Daniel Kulp
Kevan, On Monday 27 August 2007, Kevan Miller wrote: > On Aug 25, 2007, at 5:44 PM, Daniel Kulp wrote: > > From my standpoint, it would be greatly preferred if you could find > > a way > > to leave spring for CXF. There is definitely a lot of > > functionality that would be lost if spring is no

Re: removal of spring dependencies from cxf module

2007-08-27 Thread Jeff Genender
Kevan Miller wrote: > > On Aug 25, 2007, at 5:44 PM, Daniel Kulp wrote: > >> >> From my standpoint, it would be greatly preferred if you could find a way >> to leave spring for CXF. There is definitely a lot of functionality >> that would be lost if spring is not available. In particular, if

Re: removal of spring dependencies from cxf module

2007-08-27 Thread Kevan Miller
On Aug 25, 2007, at 5:44 PM, Daniel Kulp wrote: From my standpoint, it would be greatly preferred if you could find a way to leave spring for CXF. There is definitely a lot of functionality that would be lost if spring is not available. In particular, if a user want to configure vario

Re: removal of spring dependencies from cxf module

2007-08-25 Thread Daniel Kulp
From my standpoint, it would be greatly preferred if you could find a way to leave spring for CXF. There is definitely a lot of functionality that would be lost if spring is not available. In particular, if a user want to configure various things like message logging or WS-Addressing/WS-RM,

Re: removal of spring dependencies from cxf module

2007-08-25 Thread Kevan Miller
On Aug 25, 2007, at 10:53 AM, Jeff Genender wrote: Kevan Miller wrote: On Aug 24, 2007, at 5:35 PM, Jeff Genender wrote: Kevan, IIU the reason you are asking, removal of the Spring dependencies from CXF would appear to be a band aid and temporary fix to the real issue. Is this about

Re: removal of spring dependencies from cxf module

2007-08-25 Thread Jeff Genender
Kevan Miller wrote: > > On Aug 24, 2007, at 5:35 PM, Jeff Genender wrote: > >> Kevan, >> >> IIU the reason you are asking, removal of the Spring dependencies from >> CXF would appear to be a band aid and temporary fix to the real issue. >> Is this about the Spring versioning and different versi

Re: removal of spring dependencies from cxf module

2007-08-25 Thread Kevan Miller
On Aug 24, 2007, at 5:35 PM, Jeff Genender wrote: Kevan, IIU the reason you are asking, removal of the Spring dependencies from CXF would appear to be a band aid and temporary fix to the real issue. Is this about the Spring versioning and different versions getting loaded? (If not then never m

Re: removal of spring dependencies from cxf module

2007-08-24 Thread Kevan Miller
On Aug 24, 2007, at 5:57 PM, Jarek Gawor wrote: Kevan, I'm out on vacation all next week but I was planning to take a look at this issue right after I get back. My intention was to get it done for the 2.0.2 release. Cool. That'd be great! --kevan

Re: removal of spring dependencies from cxf module

2007-08-24 Thread Jarek Gawor
Kevan, I'm out on vacation all next week but I was planning to take a look at this issue right after I get back. My intention was to get it done for the 2.0.2 release. Jarek j On 8/24/07, Kevan Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We've run into multiple issues caused by the dependency of our cxf

Re: removal of spring dependencies from cxf module

2007-08-24 Thread Jeff Genender
Kevan, IIU the reason you are asking, removal of the Spring dependencies from CXF would appear to be a band aid and temporary fix to the real issue. Is this about the Spring versioning and different versions getting loaded? (If not then never mind) Jeff Kevan Miller wrote: > We've run into multi

removal of spring dependencies from cxf module

2007-08-24 Thread Kevan Miller
We've run into multiple issues caused by the dependency of our cxf module on Spring. Jarek, you've mentioned that it's possible to switch from Spring- based configuration of CXF to, hmm, some other form of configuration (xml/programmatic?). How hard would this be? Could we get this done fo