Re: removal of spring dependencies from cxf module

2007-09-11 Thread Jarek Gawor
I think we have an acceptable solution for this whole CXF/Spring issue. First, CXF will continue to be configured with Spring as before. Second, all web applications will now get an automatic hidden-classes filtering for Spring classes and resources. That should enable applications to have their

Re: removal of spring dependencies from cxf module

2007-09-11 Thread Kevan Miller
On Sep 11, 2007, at 5:37 PM, Jarek Gawor wrote: I think we have an acceptable solution for this whole CXF/Spring issue. First, CXF will continue to be configured with Spring as before. Second, all web applications will now get an automatic hidden-classes filtering for Spring classes and

Re: removal of spring dependencies from cxf module

2007-08-27 Thread Kevan Miller
On Aug 25, 2007, at 5:44 PM, Daniel Kulp wrote: From my standpoint, it would be greatly preferred if you could find a way to leave spring for CXF. There is definitely a lot of functionality that would be lost if spring is not available. In particular, if a user want to configure

Re: removal of spring dependencies from cxf module

2007-08-27 Thread Jeff Genender
Kevan Miller wrote: On Aug 25, 2007, at 5:44 PM, Daniel Kulp wrote: From my standpoint, it would be greatly preferred if you could find a way to leave spring for CXF. There is definitely a lot of functionality that would be lost if spring is not available. In particular, if a user

Re: removal of spring dependencies from cxf module

2007-08-27 Thread Daniel Kulp
Kevan, On Monday 27 August 2007, Kevan Miller wrote: On Aug 25, 2007, at 5:44 PM, Daniel Kulp wrote: From my standpoint, it would be greatly preferred if you could find a way to leave spring for CXF. There is definitely a lot of functionality that would be lost if spring is not

Re: removal of spring dependencies from cxf module

2007-08-27 Thread Kevan Miller
On Aug 27, 2007, at 10:11 AM, Jeff Genender wrote: Kevan Miller wrote: On Aug 25, 2007, at 5:44 PM, Daniel Kulp wrote: From my standpoint, it would be greatly preferred if you could find a way to leave spring for CXF. There is definitely a lot of functionality that would be lost

Re: removal of spring dependencies from cxf module

2007-08-27 Thread Jeff Genender
Kevan Miller wrote: K. Can you explain to me what functionality is being taken away? Dan said function would be lost, but then listed functionality and said that configuring them becomes quite a bit harder. Nor do I know how this increased complexity would be who bears the burden for things

Re: removal of spring dependencies from cxf module

2007-08-27 Thread Kevan Miller
I've CC:ed you. However, I'd prefer that you respond to the dev list, only (or cc: me, not reply directly). My mail rules for email addressed directly to me puts mail in my personal folder. I monitor Geronimo mail more frequently than personal mail... ;-) Perhaps I need to tweak my rules a

Re: removal of spring dependencies from cxf module

2007-08-27 Thread David Jencks
On Aug 27, 2007, at 9:06 AM, Jeff Genender wrote: Kevan Miller wrote: K. Can you explain to me what functionality is being taken away? Dan said function would be lost, but then listed functionality and said that configuring them becomes quite a bit harder. Nor do I know how this

Re: removal of spring dependencies from cxf module

2007-08-27 Thread Jeff Genender
David, So perhaps I am missing something and you could help clarify this. You say It's by no means obvious to me that treating this as a problem with the coding of our classloaders is appropriate. Yet in your 1, 2, and 3 options, you seem to be saying its basically a problem with classloading.

Re: removal of spring dependencies from cxf module

2007-08-27 Thread Kevan Miller
On Aug 27, 2007, at 2:16 PM, David Jencks wrote: On Aug 27, 2007, at 9:06 AM, Jeff Genender wrote: Kevan Miller wrote: snip Cool down a minute and think about this. What happens in tomcat if you want to use cxf + an incompatible version of spring in your app? You bundle cxf +

Re: removal of spring dependencies from cxf module

2007-08-27 Thread David Jencks
On Aug 27, 2007, at 11:26 AM, Jeff Genender wrote: David, So perhaps I am missing something and you could help clarify this. You say It's by no means obvious to me that treating this as a problem with the coding of our classloaders is appropriate. Yet in your 1, 2, and 3 options, you

Re: removal of spring dependencies from cxf module

2007-08-27 Thread Jeff Genender
No...that made much more sense to me ;-) I think convenience is the way to go. I am following you now. Thanks, Jeff David Jencks wrote: On Aug 27, 2007, at 11:26 AM, Jeff Genender wrote: David, So perhaps I am missing something and you could help clarify this. You say It's by no

Re: removal of spring dependencies from cxf module

2007-08-25 Thread Kevan Miller
On Aug 24, 2007, at 5:35 PM, Jeff Genender wrote: Kevan, IIU the reason you are asking, removal of the Spring dependencies from CXF would appear to be a band aid and temporary fix to the real issue. Is this about the Spring versioning and different versions getting loaded? (If not then never

Re: removal of spring dependencies from cxf module

2007-08-25 Thread Jeff Genender
Kevan Miller wrote: On Aug 24, 2007, at 5:35 PM, Jeff Genender wrote: Kevan, IIU the reason you are asking, removal of the Spring dependencies from CXF would appear to be a band aid and temporary fix to the real issue. Is this about the Spring versioning and different versions getting

Re: removal of spring dependencies from cxf module

2007-08-25 Thread Kevan Miller
On Aug 25, 2007, at 10:53 AM, Jeff Genender wrote: Kevan Miller wrote: On Aug 24, 2007, at 5:35 PM, Jeff Genender wrote: Kevan, IIU the reason you are asking, removal of the Spring dependencies from CXF would appear to be a band aid and temporary fix to the real issue. Is this

Re: removal of spring dependencies from cxf module

2007-08-25 Thread Daniel Kulp
From my standpoint, it would be greatly preferred if you could find a way to leave spring for CXF. There is definitely a lot of functionality that would be lost if spring is not available. In particular, if a user want to configure various things like message logging or

removal of spring dependencies from cxf module

2007-08-24 Thread Kevan Miller
We've run into multiple issues caused by the dependency of our cxf module on Spring. Jarek, you've mentioned that it's possible to switch from Spring- based configuration of CXF to, hmm, some other form of configuration (xml/programmatic?). How hard would this be? Could we get this done

Re: removal of spring dependencies from cxf module

2007-08-24 Thread Jeff Genender
Kevan, IIU the reason you are asking, removal of the Spring dependencies from CXF would appear to be a band aid and temporary fix to the real issue. Is this about the Spring versioning and different versions getting loaded? (If not then never mind) Jeff Kevan Miller wrote: We've run into

Re: removal of spring dependencies from cxf module

2007-08-24 Thread Jarek Gawor
Kevan, I'm out on vacation all next week but I was planning to take a look at this issue right after I get back. My intention was to get it done for the 2.0.2 release. Jarek j On 8/24/07, Kevan Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We've run into multiple issues caused by the dependency of our cxf

Re: removal of spring dependencies from cxf module

2007-08-24 Thread Kevan Miller
On Aug 24, 2007, at 5:57 PM, Jarek Gawor wrote: Kevan, I'm out on vacation all next week but I was planning to take a look at this issue right after I get back. My intention was to get it done for the 2.0.2 release. Cool. That'd be great! --kevan