Re: A::T :withtestmore

2004-07-13 Thread Geoffrey Young
I changed it to bugpm.pm (and changed the package name) and it worked fine. Actually, changing it to bug_tm.pm works. I had forgotten to change the package name when I retested :(. So hyphens in response tests are a bad thing? the limitation here is that perl package namespaces cannot

Re: The Byterange filter -- a new design -- feel free to rip it to shreds

2004-07-13 Thread Graham Leggett
Geoffrey Young wrote: while I'm all for reducing server overhead (who isn't :) playing these kind of games with the filter API seems like such a bad idea. what we have now is a modular design that is simple and works - content handlers generate a response, while various filters adjust that

Re: The Byterange filter -- a new design -- feel free to rip it to shreds

2004-07-13 Thread Joe Orton
On Mon, Jul 12, 2004 at 03:35:12AM +0100, Nick Kew wrote: This doesn't completely address the issue that this might cause excessive memory usage; particularly if we have to serve ranges in a perverse order. I would propose two admin-configurable limits: (1) Total data buffered in memory by

Re: The Byterange filter -- a new design -- feel free to rip it to shreds

2004-07-13 Thread Joe Orton
On Mon, Jul 12, 2004 at 03:49:08PM +0200, Graham Leggett wrote: I am assuming the current behaviour of the byte range filter would apply the range to the content without checking first whether this has already been done. This fix is very straightforward. As far as I can tell the byterange

Re: The Byterange filter -- a new design -- feel free to rip it to shreds

2004-07-13 Thread Graham Leggett
Joe Orton wrote: As far as I can tell the byterange filter should handle all such cases correctly already: read ap_set_byterange() - it punts on a non-200 r-status or when r-headers_out contains a Content-Range header etc. Is this side-discussion just theoretical pondering or is there some real

Re: The Byterange filter -- a new design -- feel free to rip it to shreds

2004-07-13 Thread Joe Orton
On Tue, Jul 13, 2004 at 12:22:20PM +0200, Graham Leggett wrote: Joe Orton wrote: As far as I can tell the byterange filter should handle all such cases correctly already: read ap_set_byterange() - it punts on a non-200 r-status or when r-headers_out contains a Content-Range header etc. Is

[request for comments ] performance issue : calloc free vs creating subpool for cache memory management???

2004-07-13 Thread Sadaf Alvi
thanx! i wanna write a cache library and come up with 2 different techniques to allocate cache memory 1) use calloc free for each node 2)create a subpool in pconf for each node i did some experiment with both. #define LOOP_SIZE 1#define MEM_SIZE 400 long iCounter;char *ptr =

Re: The Byterange filter -- a new design -- feel free to rip it to shreds

2004-07-13 Thread Graham Leggett
Joe Orton wrote: Yes, that's exactly what it's supposed to do already. I haven't checked that it works via the proxy but it certainly does for other cases. Ok, then most of the problem is solved :) The full 650MB CD ISO is then transferred from the backend to the frontend, which then pulls out

Re: The Byterange filter -- a new design -- feel free to rip it to shreds

2004-07-13 Thread Geoffrey Young
Graham Leggett wrote: Geoffrey Young wrote: while I'm all for reducing server overhead (who isn't :) playing these kind of games with the filter API seems like such a bad idea. what we have now is a modular design that is simple and works - content handlers generate a response, while

Re: The Byterange filter -- a new design -- feel free to rip it to shreds

2004-07-13 Thread Nick Kew
On Tue, 13 Jul 2004, Joe Orton wrote: On Mon, Jul 12, 2004 at 03:35:12AM +0100, Nick Kew wrote: This doesn't completely address the issue that this might cause excessive memory usage; particularly if we have to serve ranges in a perverse order. I would propose two admin-configurable

Re: Some Oprofile results

2004-07-13 Thread Brian Akins
Here's some of the the gprof output from Oprofile: % cumulative self self total time samples samplescalls T1/call T1/call name 7.27 154306.00 154306.00 core_input_filter 5.85 278523.00 124217.00

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Re: The Byterange filter -- a new design -- feel free to rip it to shreds

2004-07-13 Thread Joshua Slive
On Tue, 13 Jul 2004, Joe Orton wrote: I'm beginning to think the only sane way to fix the byterange filter is to have it do nothing if it isn't passed a complete EOS-terminated brigade with a predetermined length, i.e. no morphing CGI buckets which will eat all your RAM when they get -read().

Re: The Byterange filter -- a new design -- feel free to rip it to shreds

2004-07-13 Thread Graham Leggett
Geoffrey Young wrote: please take the rest of this as just a friendly discussion - I don't want it to turn into some kind of bickering match, since that's definitely not what I have in mind :) Cool no problem - it's quite a complex thing this, and I was struggling trying to make it clear what

Re: The Byterange filter -- a new design -- feel free to rip it to shreds

2004-07-13 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
At 05:22 AM 7/13/2004, Graham Leggett wrote: The problem arises when large data sizes (say a 650MB CD ISO) are stored in a multi-tier webserver architecture (mod_proxy in front of a backend, for example), and somebody comes along and tries to download it using a download accelerator, or they

Re: The Byterange filter -- a new design -- feel free to rip it to shreds

2004-07-13 Thread Graham Leggett
William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: The solution to this problem is *not* to become tightly coupled with the placement of filters, directly handling file streams, etc. The clean solution is a new forward-space semantic for the filter or brigade, which would allow you to skip n bytes. This would allow

Re: The Byterange filter -- a new design -- feel free to rip it to shreds

2004-07-13 Thread Nick Kew
On Tue, 13 Jul 2004, Graham Leggett wrote: But in the case of mod_proxy, mod_jk, etc it is quite valid and very desirable for a range request to be passed all the way to the backend, in the hope that the backend sends just that range back to mod_proxy, which in turn sends it up a filter stack

Re: [request for comments ] performance issue : calloc free vs creating subpool for cache memory management???

2004-07-13 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
At 06:55 AM 7/13/2004, Sadaf Alvi wrote: i wanna write a cache library and come up with 2 different techniques to allocate cache memory 1) use calloc free for each node 2) create a subpool in pconf for each node What your test fails to convey is that alloc and free of one pool is quite likely

Re: The Byterange filter -- a new design -- feel free to rip it to shreds

2004-07-13 Thread Geoffrey Young
Graham Leggett wrote: Geoffrey Young wrote: please take the rest of this as just a friendly discussion - I don't want it to turn into some kind of bickering match, since that's definitely not what I have in mind :) Cool no problem - it's quite a complex thing this, and I was

Re: The Byterange filter -- a new design -- feel free to rip it to shreds

2004-07-13 Thread Graham Leggett
Nick Kew wrote: Indeed. In a straight-through proxy that's right. But in the case of a cacheing proxy, it may be better for it to retrieve the entire document and manage byteranges locally. And in the case of a content-transforming proxy, the filters may need the entire content to function at

Re: The Byterange filter -- a new design -- feel free to rip it to shreds

2004-07-13 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
At 08:44 AM 7/13/2004, Graham Leggett wrote: Geoffrey Young wrote: ok, that isn't the idea I had about output filters at all. my own concept of how this all worked (or should work) is that content handlers are supposed to just generate content. specifically, they should not care at all about

Re: The Byterange filter -- a new design -- feel free to rip it to shreds

2004-07-13 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
At 10:57 AM 7/13/2004, Graham Leggett wrote: Nick Kew wrote: Bottom line: this has to be controlled by the server admin. We offer the options of passthrough, process locally, or ignore ranges. I think it's better to avoid adding extra directives, or giving the admin the power to override

Re: The Byterange filter -- a new design -- feel free to rip it to shreds

2004-07-13 Thread Graham Leggett
William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: I don't like where this conversation is heading at all. You are suggesting that every filter needs to become progressively more aware of the http module characteristics, but that's what we were moving away from in apache 2.0. Ok, this is exactly how Geoffrey Young

Cool

2004-07-13 Thread Jeffrey K Pry
The segment on the new filter was great.

Re: The Byterange filter -- a new design -- feel free to rip it to shreds

2004-07-13 Thread Nick Kew
On Tue, 13 Jul 2004, Graham Leggett wrote: Nick Kew wrote: Indeed. In a straight-through proxy that's right. But in the case of a cacheing proxy, it may be better for it to retrieve the entire document and manage byteranges locally. And in the case of a content-transforming proxy,

Re: The Byterange filter -- a new design -- feel free to rip it to shreds

2004-07-13 Thread Nick Kew
On Tue, 13 Jul 2004, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: It would be nice in apache 2.2 to finally clean up this contract, with two simple metadata element to pass through the filter chain: . this request is unfiltered . this request has a 1:1 filter (stateless) . this request has a arbitrary