Re: A suggested ROADMAP for working 2.1/2.2 forward?

2002-10-18 Thread Bojan Smojver
Quoting Glenn [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -0.5 to using odd for stable, and even for development The model of parallel stable and development branches is similar to numerous other projects, including the Linux kernel and Perl, except that the meaning of the sub-version numbers is **reversed** in

RE: A suggested ROADMAP for working 2.1/2.2 forward?

2002-10-18 Thread Ask Bjoern Hansen
On Thu, 17 Oct 2002, Bill Stoddard wrote: * Consider using the Linux versioning system... stable release is 2.x where x 0 and x == even. Developmemt release is 2.x where x is odd. +100. The Apache HTTPd versioning system has been plenty confusing to people not following the httpd related ASF

Re: A suggested ROADMAP for working 2.1/2.2 forward?

2002-10-18 Thread Glenn
I just caught up on the torrent of emails to this list. :-) My understanding of the major issues which may aid Apache2 adoption: - avoid breaking user configuration files between releases - avoid breaking 3rd party modules between releases - present clearer meaning of version numbers to those

Re: A suggested ROADMAP for working 2.1/2.2 forward?

2002-10-18 Thread Andrew Ho
Hello, Am I the only person confused by this? WRSTABLE RELEASES, 2.{odd}.{revision} WR WRAll even numbered releases will be considered stable revisions. WRDEVELOPMENT RELEASES, 2.{even}.{revision} WR- WRAll even

Re: A suggested ROADMAP for working 2.1/2.2 forward?

2002-10-18 Thread Bojan Smojver
Quoting Bojan Smojver [EMAIL PROTECTED]: This would achieve two goals within the user/developer community: Concentrate Bojan... 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. Got it! Five goals :-) Bojan

A suggested ROADMAP for working 2.1/2.2 forward?

2002-10-18 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
APACHE 2.x ROADMAP == Last modified at [$Date: 2002/10/01 19:13:06 $] INTRODUCTION The Apache HTTP Server project must balance two competing and disjoint objectives; maintain stable code for third party authors, distributors and most importantly users so that bug and

Re: A suggested ROADMAP for working 2.1/2.2 forward?

2002-10-18 Thread Joshua Slive
William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: One bit concerns me, we cannot state that we will break MMN compat between security fixes and modules are always forward compatible within a version (e.g. 2.1). I agree that is a conflict, and I can't really decide which way I favor. It seems attractive to say

Re: A suggested ROADMAP for working 2.1/2.2 forward?

2002-10-18 Thread Bojan Smojver
My user only comments sprinkled below... On Fri, 2002-10-18 at 02:10, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: STABLE RELEASES, 2.{odd}.{revision} All even numbered releases will be considered stable revisions. That means; You really meant odd in the above sentence,

Re: A suggested ROADMAP for working 2.1/2.2 forward?

2002-10-18 Thread Jeff Stuart
On Thu, 2002-10-17 at 12:10, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: APACHE 2.x ROADMAP == Last modified at [$Date: 2002/10/01 19:13:06 $] [...rest of the roadmap deleted...] If I may make 3 suggestions. 1) If we want to match the kernel/perl versioning system, then make 2.2 the stable

Re: A suggested ROADMAP for working 2.1/2.2 forward?

2002-10-18 Thread Jeff Stuart
On Thu, 2002-10-17 at 12:48, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: At 11:34 AM 10/17/2002, Jeff Stuart wrote: On Thu, 2002-10-17 at 12:10, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: APACHE 2.x ROADMAP == Last modified at [$Date: 2002/10/01 19:13:06 $] [...rest of the roadmap deleted...] If I

Re: A suggested ROADMAP for working 2.1/2.2 forward?

2002-10-18 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
At 11:34 AM 10/17/2002, Jeff Stuart wrote: On Thu, 2002-10-17 at 12:10, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: APACHE 2.x ROADMAP == Last modified at [$Date: 2002/10/01 19:13:06 $] [...rest of the roadmap deleted...] If I may make 3 suggestions. 1) If we want to match the kernel/perl

Re: A suggested ROADMAP for working 2.1/2.2 forward?

2002-10-18 Thread Jeff Trawick
William A. Rowe, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: BINARY PACKAGES --- All emphasis will be focused on providing binary packages of stable release versions. While they are a volunteer effort, and the project makes them available only as a convenience and not on demand, the project

Re: A suggested ROADMAP for working 2.1/2.2 forward?

2002-10-18 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
At 05:47 PM 10/17/2002, Andrew Ho wrote: I personally think maintaining stable/dev branches is a fine idea. I like the x.0 rationale for keeping even numbered versions development, and it also fits with Apache 1.3.x... but I also think it could be confusing if many other open source projects use

Re: A suggested ROADMAP for working 2.1/2.2 forward?

2002-10-18 Thread Scott Hess
On Thu, 17 Oct 2002, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: With the simultaneous release of Apache 2.1-stable and Apache 2.2-development, the Apache HTTP Server project is moving to a more predictable stable code branch, while opening the development to forward progress without concern for breaking the

Re: A suggested ROADMAP for working 2.1/2.2 forward?

2002-10-18 Thread Joshua Slive
William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: STABLE RELEASES, 2.{odd}.{revision} All even numbered releases will be considered stable revisions. That means; One way to summarize this would be: upgrading from a stable release to the next minor number should be painless:

Re: A suggested ROADMAP for working 2.1/2.2 forward?

2002-10-18 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
At 12:03 PM 10/17/2002, Jeff Trawick wrote: William A. Rowe, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: BINARY PACKAGES --- All emphasis will be focused on providing binary packages of stable release versions. While they are a volunteer effort, and the project makes them available only as a

RE: A suggested ROADMAP for working 2.1/2.2 forward?

2002-10-18 Thread Bill Stoddard
Justin, I think this answers most of your questions? Comments: * +1, this is an extremely good start to drafting the rules for working on stable releases. I could quibble with a point or two but this captures the spirit nicely. * Activity in the stable release would be limited to security and

Re: A suggested ROADMAP for working 2.1/2.2 forward?

2002-10-18 Thread Jeff Trawick
William A. Rowe, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: APACHE 2.x ROADMAP == Last modified at [$Date: 2002/10/01 19:13:06 $] In general I think this is very positive and sends the right message to the user community... I separated any significant concerns into a previous post :) I'm

RE: A suggested ROADMAP for working 2.1/2.2 forward?

2002-10-18 Thread Bill Stoddard
STABLE RELEASES, 2.{odd}.{revision} All even numbered releases will be considered stable revisions. That means; One way to summarize this would be: upgrading from a stable release to the next minor number should be painless: config.nice

RE: A suggested ROADMAP for working 2.1/2.2 forward?

2002-10-18 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
At 12:32 PM 10/17/2002, Bill Stoddard wrote: One way to summarize this would be: upgrading from a stable release to the next minor number should be painless: config.nice make make install apachectl restart That implies: - No non-backwards compatible config changes (runtime or

Re: A suggested ROADMAP for working 2.1/2.2 forward?

2002-10-18 Thread Paul J. Reder
Bojan Smojver wrote: Quoting Glenn [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -0.5 to using odd for stable, and even for development The model of parallel stable and development branches is similar to numerous other projects, including the Linux kernel and Perl, except that the meaning of the sub-version numbers