AW: It's that time of the year again

2006-04-18 Thread Plüm , Rüdiger , VF EITO
-Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Ian Holsman - mod_cache_requestor (which i don't think really took off) I guess one of the reasons why mod_cache_requestor did not take off was its dependency on an external http client library. So what about creating a http client library and adding

Re: It's that time of the year again

2006-04-18 Thread Brian Akins
If anyone wants to be mentored in this (memcache and/or generalized cache modules, new mod_http_cache) I am willing to be mentor. Ian Holsman wrote: yeah.. thats the hard part of SoC. not coding it yourself in 20 minutes, and leaving it for your student to do ;-) Was just an idea, I

Re: AW: It's that time of the year again

2006-04-18 Thread Paul Querna
Plüm wrote: -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Ian Holsman - mod_cache_requestor (which i don't think really took off) I guess one of the reasons why mod_cache_requestor did not take off was its dependency on an external http client library. So what about creating a http client

Re: It's that time of the year again

2006-04-18 Thread Plüm , Rüdiger , VF EITO
-Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Paul Querna *cough* serf *cough* http://svn.webdav.org/repos/projects/serf/trunk I know :-). But I would like to see this inside the apr framework as it seems to me that serf has some acceptance problems here in the httpd community. Please

Re: It's that time of the year again

2006-04-18 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Plüm wrote: -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Paul Querna *cough* serf *cough* http://svn.webdav.org/repos/projects/serf/trunk I know :-). But I would like to see this inside the apr framework as it seems to me that serf has some acceptance problems here in the httpd community.

Re: It's that time of the year again

2006-04-18 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
On 4/18/06, William A. Rowe, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know :-). But I would like to see this inside the apr framework as it seems to me that serf has some acceptance problems here in the httpd community. Please correct me if this impression is wrong. Your impression is wrong. APR

Re: It's that time of the year again

2006-04-18 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Justin Erenkrantz wrote: The httpd community has never objected to it. IF you are suggesting putting wire protocol implementations in APR, I think again you are overloading the charter. Suggesting that a matching client wire protocol library fits into the httpd's project goals makes alot

Re: It's that time of the year again

2006-04-18 Thread Ruediger Pluem
On 04/18/2006 08:57 PM, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: Justin Erenkrantz wrote: The httpd community has never objected to it. IF you are suggesting putting wire protocol implementations in APR, I think again you are overloading the charter. Suggesting that a matching client wire protocol

Re: It's that time of the year again

2006-04-18 Thread Ruediger Pluem
On 04/18/2006 06:35 PM, Parin Shah wrote: Plüm, Rüdiger, wrote: I have been spending some time to remove the libcurl dependency by creating fake connection and requests. I didn't know we already have such functionality in proxy. Can you tell me where is that code to create fake

Re: AW: It's that time of the year again

2006-04-18 Thread Brian Akins
Paul Querna wrote: I guess one of the reasons why mod_cache_requestor did not take off was its dependency on an external http client library. So what about creating a http client library and adding it to apr-util / creating apr-http-client *cough* serf *cough*

It's that time of the year again

2006-04-17 Thread Ian Holsman
Google is about to start it's summer of code project what does this mean for HTTP/APR ? we need: - mentors and - project ideas. so.. if there is any niggly things or cool projects you haven't got the time to do yourself, but could devote 2-3 hrs/week to help someone else do, and could be

Re: It's that time of the year again

2006-04-17 Thread Nick Kew
On Monday 17 April 2006 07:13, Ian Holsman wrote: ideas so far (half joking): - mod_ircd - implementing a UDP protocol - a caching module implement CML (cache-meta-language) - a SEDA type MPM OK, let's play ... - Language bindings (mod_[perl|python|etc]) for new goodies like DBD and

Re: It's that time of the year again

2006-04-17 Thread Graham Dumpleton
On 17/04/2006, at 4:27 PM, Nick Kew wrote: On Monday 17 April 2006 07:13, Ian Holsman wrote: OK, let's play ... - Language bindings (mod_[perl|python|etc]) for new goodies like DBD and XMLNS This possibly ties up with something which I was intending to one day implement in mod_python.

Re: It's that time of the year again

2006-04-17 Thread Nick Kew
On Monday 17 April 2006 07:45, Graham Dumpleton wrote: On 17/04/2006, at 4:27 PM, Nick Kew wrote: On Monday 17 April 2006 07:13, Ian Holsman wrote: OK, let's play ... - Language bindings (mod_[perl|python|etc]) for new goodies like DBD and XMLNS This possibly ties up with

Re: It's that time of the year again

2006-04-17 Thread Graham Dumpleton
On 17/04/2006, at 6:43 PM, Nick Kew wrote: On Monday 17 April 2006 07:45, Graham Dumpleton wrote: On 17/04/2006, at 4:27 PM, Nick Kew wrote: On Monday 17 April 2006 07:13, Ian Holsman wrote: OK, let's play ... - Language bindings (mod_[perl|python|etc]) for new goodies like DBD and XMLNS

Re: It's that time of the year again

2006-04-17 Thread Colm MacCarthaigh
On Mon, Apr 17, 2006 at 06:44:11PM +1000, John Vandenberg wrote: A cool project that appears to needs a coder is mod_bittorrent. There's already a mod_bittorrent, but it only produces .torrent files dynamically, it doesn't act as as a seed or participate in the p2p. There's mod_torrent too

Re: It's that time of the year again

2006-04-17 Thread Jeff McAdams
Ian Holsman wrote: ideas so far (half joking): - mod_ircd - implementing a UDP protocol - a caching module implement CML (cache-meta-language) - a SEDA type MPM mod_snmp would be very useful. -- Jeff McAdams They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve

Re: It's that time of the year again

2006-04-17 Thread Jorge Schrauwen
I've seen a mod_snmp somewhere:http://www.mod-snmp.com/mod_snmp.htmldon't know how if its free and for what version though. On 4/17/06, Jeff McAdams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ian Holsman wrote: ideas so far (half joking): - mod_ircd - implementing a UDP protocol - a caching module implement CML

Re: It's that time of the year again

2006-04-17 Thread Mads Toftum
On Mon, Apr 17, 2006 at 02:25:46PM +0200, Jorge Schrauwen wrote: I've seen a mod_snmp somewhere: http://www.mod-snmp.com/mod_snmp.html don't know how if its free and for what version though. SNMP module for Apache 1.3.x as you can see on www.mod-snmp.com vh Mads Toftum -- `Darn it, who

Re: It's that time of the year again

2006-04-17 Thread Mads Toftum
On Mon, Apr 17, 2006 at 07:27:08AM +0100, Nick Kew wrote: - Update apxs to search web, download verify modules, get security and license info. More details from the discussions at apachecon EU last year: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/httpd-dev/200507.mbox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] vh

Re: It's that time of the year again

2006-04-17 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Ian Holsman wrote: so.. lets get brainstorming. Let's see HTTP get the prize for most ideas (and beat those java weanies) LOL! Ok, in all seriousness, error message localization is -sooo- long overdue, and we have a perpetual problem with apr_status_t extention. The next 2.0 release of

Re: It's that time of the year again

2006-04-17 Thread Brian Akins
An example I'd like to do (or mentor someone) is a mod_memcached that could serve as the basis of memcached based modules. It could handle all the configuration details, errors, and general heavy lifting of memcached. It would then be very easy to write other modules that had hooks into

Re: It's that time of the year again

2006-04-17 Thread Rian A Hunter
Quoting Ian Holsman [EMAIL PROTECTED]: ideas so far (half joking): - mod_ircd - implementing a UDP protocol - a caching module implement CML (cache-meta-language) - a SEDA type MPM http://www.kegel.com/c10k.html I think a SoC project that profiles Apache (and finds out where we fall short) so

Re: It's that time of the year again

2006-04-17 Thread Colm MacCarthaigh
On Mon, Apr 17, 2006 at 12:34:29PM -0400, Rian A Hunter wrote: I think a SoC project that profiles Apache (and finds out where we fall short) so that we are able to compete with other lightweight HTTP servers popping up these days would be a good endeavor for any CS student. Right now, I'm

Re: It's that time of the year again

2006-04-17 Thread Garrett Rooney
On 4/16/06, Ian Holsman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Google is about to start it's summer of code project what does this mean for HTTP/APR ? we need: - mentors I'd be willing to help mentor. and - project ideas. A few ideas: in APR: - Improve the build system so that it can generate

Re: It's that time of the year again

2006-04-17 Thread Joachim Zobel
On Mon, 17 Apr 2006 16:13:06 +1000 Ian Holsman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so.. if there is any niggly things or cool projects you haven't got the time to do yourself, Yeah, my no 1. wish is a mod_tal (the existing sourceforge project was abandomed before start) that: 1. acts as an output

Re: It's that time of the year again

2006-04-17 Thread Garrett Rooney
On 4/17/06, Colm MacCarthaigh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Apr 17, 2006 at 12:34:29PM -0400, Rian A Hunter wrote: I think a SoC project that profiles Apache (and finds out where we fall short) so that we are able to compete with other lightweight HTTP servers popping up these days would

Re: It's that time of the year again

2006-04-17 Thread Brian McCallister
On Apr 17, 2006, at 10:04 AM, Garrett Rooney wrote: I suspect that a significant problem with this sort of project will be lack of proper hardware for benchmarking purposes. From everything I've heard it's not all that hard to totally saturate the kind of networks you're likely to have

Re: It's that time of the year again

2006-04-17 Thread Garrett Rooney
On 4/17/06, Brian McCallister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 17, 2006, at 10:04 AM, Garrett Rooney wrote: I suspect that a significant problem with this sort of project will be lack of proper hardware for benchmarking purposes. From everything I've heard it's not all that hard to

Re: It's that time of the year again

2006-04-17 Thread Mads Toftum
On Mon, Apr 17, 2006 at 10:15:09AM -0700, Garrett Rooney wrote: Perhaps, but AFAICT infra@ doesn't have this kind of thing lying around at the moment, so unless someone is going to step up with hardware people can use it's kind of a showstopper. Correct. vh Mads Toftum -- `Darn it, who

Re: It's that time of the year again

2006-04-17 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
FWIW, in our earlier discussions we discussed segmented keys, that any provider wouldn't have to provide multiple keys (to be hooked) but would have to support segmented keys such that (for example) three UUID's would designate highest - narrower - narrowest lookup, and it would (of course) be

Re: It's that time of the year again

2006-04-17 Thread Brian Akins
Rian A Hunter wrote: This seems to be more viable for our threaded MPMs. For the prefork MPM, maybe a goal for 10,000 connections might be impractical. Using worker, we do many thousands of connections (ie, much more than 10k). I think Colm has published some numbers about his experiences.

Re: It's that time of the year again

2006-04-17 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Garrett Rooney wrote: I suspect that a significant problem with this sort of project will be lack of proper hardware for benchmarking purposes. From everything I've heard it's not all that hard to totally saturate the kind of networks you're likely to have sitting around your house with

Re: It's that time of the year again

2006-04-17 Thread Brian Akins
Garrett Rooney wrote: To really benchmark it's going to require more stuff than your average college student has lying around the house. Simple dual opteron with GigE networking is more than sufficient. I can mentor by testing some changes if somebody needs it. -- Brian Akins Lead

Re: It's that time of the year again

2006-04-17 Thread Brian Akins
William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: LOL - not to mention the converse. Even when eating all four 1GB network segments it's quite difficult to saturate anything but the NICs on one of Sun's T2000 loaner boxes until you add dynamic content to the mix :) Try smaller files. like 1 byte. That is how I

Re: It's that time of the year again

2006-04-17 Thread Esteban Pizzini
On 4/17/06, Jeff McAdams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ian Holsman wrote: ideas so far (half joking): - mod_ircd - implementing a UDP protocol - a caching module implement CML (cache-meta-language) - a SEDA type MPMmod_snmp would be very useful. I have implemented snmp for Apache 2.0.x

Re: It's that time of the year again

2006-04-17 Thread Parin Shah
- mod_cache_requestor (which i don't think really took off) and 2 active comitters. I still haven't given up on it. :-) I am trying to remove the libcurl dependency by creating mocked up connection and request. hopefully, it would take off one day :-)

Re: It's that time of the year again

2006-04-17 Thread Parin Shah
An example I'd like to do (or mentor someone) is a mod_memcached that could serve as the basis of memcached based modules. It could handle all the configuration details, errors, and general heavy lifting of memcached. It would then be very easy to write other modules that had hooks into

Re: It's that time of the year again

2006-04-17 Thread Brian Akins
Parin Shah wrote: I have liked the idea of mod_memcached. I can work on it with you (if we have Soc student for this project, I can work with him as well ) To clarify, I really meant to say mod_memcache, the client part, not the server. Was just an idea, I can help in some way as well. I

Re: It's that time of the year again

2006-04-17 Thread Ian Holsman
yeah.. thats the hard part of SoC. not coding it yourself in 20 minutes, and leaving it for your student to do ;-) On 18/04/2006, at 5:43 AM, Brian Akins wrote: Parin Shah wrote: I have liked the idea of mod_memcached. I can work on it with you (if we have Soc student for this project, I