Whereforeartthou, 2.5.0?

2013-07-10 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
Fellow PMC folk... I think everyone on this list can agree that the pace of releases has slowed to a crawl; we are 6+ mos between releases of our active/stable 2.4 series, which has little if any adoption, and are equally lethargic about the actually stable-and-adopted 2.2 releases. This is a

Re: Whereforeartthou, 2.5.0?

2013-07-10 Thread Jim Jagielski
According to STATUS: 2.4.5 : In development. Jim proposes a release ~July 4, 2013 and offers to RM. 2.4.4 : Tagged on February 18, 2013. Released Feb 25, 2013 2.4.3 : Tagged on August 17, 2012. Released Aug 18, 2012 2.4.2 : Tagged on April 5, 2012. Released

Re: Whereforeartthou, 2.5.0?

2013-07-10 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On Wed, 10 Jul 2013 09:14:16 -0400 Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote: According to STATUS: 2.4.5 : In development. Jim proposes a release ~July 4, 2013 and offers to RM. 2.4.4 : Tagged on February 18, 2013. Released Feb 25, 2013 2.4.3 : Tagged on August

Re: Whereforeartthou, 2.5.0?

2013-07-10 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Jul 10, 2013, at 2:19 AM, William A. Rowe Jr. wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote: So my proposal to be presented shortly as a vote would be to abandon the trunk into a sandbox to be mined for good changes, once 30 days after a vote is concluded without a release, and to revert the 2.4.x trunk to

Re: Whereforeartthou, 2.5.0?

2013-07-10 Thread Issac Goldstand
On 10/07/2013 19:43, Jim Jagielski wrote: On Jul 10, 2013, at 2:19 AM, William A. Rowe Jr. wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote: So my proposal to be presented shortly as a vote would be to abandon the trunk into a sandbox to be mined for good changes, once 30 days after a vote is concluded

Re: Whereforeartthou, 2.5.0?

2013-07-10 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On Wed, 10 Jul 2013 12:43:58 -0400 Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote: On Jul 10, 2013, at 2:19 AM, William A. Rowe Jr. wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote: So my proposal to be presented shortly as a vote would be to abandon the trunk into a sandbox to be mined for good changes, once 30 days

Re: Whereforeartthou, 2.5.0?

2013-07-10 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Jul 10, 2013, at 11:54 AM, William A. Rowe Jr. wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote: So reverting branches/2.4.x/ to trunk is my first suggestion to make this easier, and it seems that the list would like to make things a bit easier on committers and contributors. Reverting to CTR on 2.4.x would

Re: Whereforeartthou, 2.5.0?

2013-07-10 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Jul 10, 2013, at 1:12 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote: What does the question of how long can a prospective RM hold that baton before it becomes an excessive period of time (being the act of one committer, whether that is you or I or another, which prevents others from

Re: Whereforeartthou, 2.5.0?

2013-07-10 Thread Stefan Fritsch
On Wednesday 10 July 2013, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote: In any case, I *am* concerned that w seem to have quite a bit of difficulty in getting 3 +1s a lot of the time and that the backport process from trunk to 2.4 is becoming more and more painful.

Re: Whereforeartthou, 2.5.0?

2013-07-10 Thread Jim Jagielski
All good points... IMO, if people consider themselves a 2.4 developer, their *primary* repo to be working on MUST be trunk... all their work and *testing* must be on that codebase. Yes, trunk exists for sandbox type of work, but it also is the ONLY way that code gets backported to 2.4, so at

Re: Whereforeartthou, 2.5.0?

2013-07-10 Thread Eric Covener
WRT 2.5/2.6, I very much hope that it will not take as long as the 2.2-2.4 cycle. I am pretty sure that we cannot reasonably support SPDY/HTTPbis/HTTP2.0 in 2.4, so we will need a 2.6 in the forseeable future. I think as big/disruptive as that will be, and as unlikely as a meaningful release

Re: Whereforeartthou, 2.5.0?

2013-07-10 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On Wed, 10 Jul 2013 20:20:22 +0200 Stefan Fritsch s...@sfritsch.de wrote: On Wednesday 10 July 2013, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: What I am asking, is whether that trunk is a sandbox to hack in, or whether is is approaching a releasable state? I'm asking, whether trunk is a worthwhile

Re: Whereforeartthou, 2.5.0?

2013-07-10 Thread Graham Leggett
On 10 Jul 2013, at 8:19 AM, William A. Rowe Jr. wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote: Fellow PMC folk... I think everyone on this list can agree that the pace of releases has slowed to a crawl; we are 6+ mos between releases of our active/stable 2.4 series, which has little if any adoption, and are

Re: Whereforeartthou, 2.5.0?

2013-07-10 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On Wed, 10 Jul 2013 21:30:30 +0200 Graham Leggett minf...@sharp.fm wrote: Can you explain the current rush to release trunk a mere 18 months after we've released v2.4? I don't see the urgency at all. Graham, thank you for reiterating my point :) /trunk/ is simply premature and an