Re: mod_mbox bug squashing
Maxime Petazzoni wrote: 5) If you know that the AJAX view only works in Gecko based browsers do you plan on sniffing the browser type and redirecting to the non-AJAX view in that case? This is probably a bit of a controversial subject, but it seems like the kind of thing that would have to be resolved before the ASF could roll something like this out. I'll try to make the AJAX view work on as many browser as possible. I'd like it to work on Konqueror and Opera. The IE problem does not seem to be fixable. I agree that it is better to dedicate the time to support more browsers, than to invest too much in cases where AJAX is not supported. However, what is this problem with IE that doesn't seem to be fixable? If it was discussed here and I missed it, I apologize, but please give me a pointer to that discussion. P.S. It's cool. Thanks, -- Eli Marmor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Netmask (El-Mar) Internet Technologies Ltd. __ Tel.: +972-9-766-1020 8 Yad-Harutzim St. Fax.: +972-9-766-1314 P.O.B. 7004 Mobile: +972-50-5237338 Kfar-Saba 44641, Israel
Re: mod_mbox bug squashing
Hi, First of all, thanks for your reply, I was looking forward to having mod_mbox's original author comments ! It crashes Safari (Mac OS X 10.4.x) when I try to select a message in the list when I already have a message open. Ouch! Ok, if it crashes it means we won't have any debugging information. If you have a couple of minutes today on IRC, can we make step by step debugging ? I'll add alert box in the toggleMessage() function, and you'll tell me where it crashes so I can isolate the problem. With Firefox (Deer Park Alpha 2), it works. It seems to work perfectly with any version of Firefox (tested from 1.0.4). Unfortunately that's only 20~30% of the browsers. The subject summaries in 'Message List' doesn't list the month - it just says 'Monday 01, 11:03:35' - I really think we need to emit the month there. (Yes, it's on the top, but that's easy to miss.) I just changed that yesterday evening because I find that the date is too long in the message list, especially with lower resolutions. What would you like to see there ? Tuesday 12 April 2005, 14:29:51 (very, very long) Tue, 12 Apr 2005, 14:29:51 (like RFC822 dates but without the GMT stuff) 12 April 2005, 14:29:51 Tue, 12 Apr, 14:29 ... or any other combination you like. I must admit I don't know which one to choose here :P What is the pattern for the 'Message List' for showing the next messages in the sequence? I'm not sure how many messages it is trying to show - it doesn't seem consistent to me. What do you call the pattern ? If you are referring to the paging system, in date and author sort, 100 messages per page are displayed. In thread sort, 42 full threads are shown (this explain why you often have less pages in threaded mode than in date sort). One feature I like is having the 'Site Index' link - this is in mod_mbox trunk. How about having the 'Mailing list archives' also having a 'site index' link so you can view what other archives are present fro that site. Since this feature is actually in trunk/, you've said it, it will be backported. I just don't considerer it as a key feature for the moment. It's been an almost non-stop work+sleep+work+eat+sleep+work session since I'm back home, and I had more important features to code before this one :) I looked at your recent changes to mod_mbox, and I value them. I agree with Garrett that having the 'next' and 'prev' links should also appear at the *bottom* of the message - this is so that when you read the message, you can then click to read the next message in the thread w/o scrolling up. Most critically, I think the 'next' and 'prev', and numbered links can become confusing when trying to read a message. If you want to read the next message in the thread - clicking the 'message list' 'next'/'prev' links brings you out. So, finding some way to resolve that to make it clearer for the user - perhaps merely adding prev/next message in 'message view' list would be good. Or, have some way of hiding (or disabling) the list navigation when we have a message view active. We are still talking about the AJAX browsing interface, eh ? If yes, there is currently no message navigation in the message view. I agree with your comments, and these links will be added soon. Also, please notice that prev/next links will only be able to go through the currently loaded page. I can eventually make the last 'Next' click load the next page if it exists, but it won't be possible to load the first message of this new page directly (blame the first 'A' of AJAX (asynchronous)). But, again, it looks a lot better than what we have today. Cool. -- justin Thanks, - Sam -- Maxime Petazzoni (http://www.bulix.org) -- gone crazy, back soon. leave message. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: mod_mbox bug squashing
Hi, * Eli Marmor [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-08-29 11:57:50]: Maxime Petazzoni wrote: I'll try to make the AJAX view work on as many browser as possible. I'd like it to work on Konqueror and Opera. The IE problem does not seem to be fixable. I agree that it is better to dedicate the time to support more browsers, than to invest too much in cases where AJAX is not supported. However, what is this problem with IE that doesn't seem to be fixable? If it was discussed here and I missed it, I apologize, but please give me a pointer to that discussion. It was not discussed here, so no need to apologize. Basically, I have an body onLoad function that calls the box list and message list creation. The getMsgList() function create an XmlHttpRequest call to the YY./ajax/thread URL, and waits for the result. When it gets it, it saves the resulting XML document into a global variable '_msglist' and then call a processing routine, drawFullMsgList(). But at the first attempt of drawFullMsgList() to access the _msglist variable, IE thraw a Javascript error, saying that _msglist is null or not defined. I don't have a clue on how to fix this. If someone has, please show up. - Sam -- Maxime Petazzoni (http://www.bulix.org) -- gone crazy, back soon. leave message. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: mod_mbox bug squashing
--On August 29, 2005 11:52:18 AM +0200 Maxime Petazzoni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First of all, thanks for your reply, I was looking forward to having mod_mbox's original author comments ! Ha! =) Ok, if it crashes it means we won't have any debugging information. If you have a couple of minutes today on IRC, can we make step by step debugging ? I'll add alert box in the toggleMessage() function, and you'll tell me where it crashes so I can isolate the problem. Perhaps later on today. But, you're in France, right? I'm in California (GMT-7), so that might be hard to arrange. With Firefox (Deer Park Alpha 2), it works. It seems to work perfectly with any version of Firefox (tested from 1.0.4). Unfortunately that's only 20~30% of the browsers. Is it that high now? =) The subject summaries in 'Message List' doesn't list the month - it just says 'Monday 01, 11:03:35' - I really think we need to emit the month there. (Yes, it's on the top, but that's easy to miss.) I just changed that yesterday evening because I find that the date is too long in the message list, especially with lower resolutions. What would you like to see there ? Tuesday 12 April 2005, 14:29:51 (very, very long) Tue, 12 Apr 2005, 14:29:51 (like RFC822 dates but without the GMT stuff) 12 April 2005, 14:29:51 Tue, 12 Apr, 14:29 ... or any other combination you like. I must admit I don't know which one to choose here :P I think the last option is probably best. (Dayname, Day Mon, Hour:Min) - no need for second granularity in the summary. What is the pattern for the 'Message List' for showing the next messages in the sequence? I'm not sure how many messages it is trying to show - it doesn't seem consistent to me. What do you call the pattern ? If you are referring to the paging system, in date and author sort, 100 messages per page are displayed. In thread sort, 42 full threads are shown (this explain why you often have less pages in threaded mode than in date sort). When you are reading a message - it still shows a part of the message list - but it seems a bit non-intuitive as to how many messages it is showing when you are reading a message. moment. It's been an almost non-stop work+sleep+work+eat+sleep+work session since I'm back home, and I had more important features to code before this one :) Sure. No worries. I looked at your recent changes to mod_mbox, and I value them. Thanks! We are still talking about the AJAX browsing interface, eh ? If yes, there is currently no message navigation in the message view. I agree with your comments, and these links will be added soon. Also, please notice that prev/next links will only be able to go through the currently loaded page. I can eventually make the last 'Next' click load the next page if it exists, but it won't be possible to load the first message of this new page directly (blame the first 'A' of AJAX (asynchronous)). Yes, I'm talking about the AJAX interface. So, I look forward to seeing how you address this. ;-) Thanks, - Sam Hey, you're the one doing the work not me. ;-) Thanks! -- justin
Re: mod_mbox bug squashing
Perhaps later on today. But, you're in France, right? I'm in California (GMT-7), so that might be hard to arrange. I use to stay late on IRC, just ping me on #apache-modules when you have some time. I just changed that yesterday evening because I find that the date is too long in the message list, especially with lower resolutions. What would you like to see there ? Tuesday 12 April 2005, 14:29:51 (very, very long) Tue, 12 Apr 2005, 14:29:51 (like RFC822 dates but without the GMT stuff) 12 April 2005, 14:29:51 Tue, 12 Apr, 14:29 ... or any other combination you like. I must admit I don't know which one to choose here :P I think the last option is probably best. (Dayname, Day Mon, Hour:Min) - no need for second granularity in the summary. Ok, I like this one too. It's already set up on http://skikda.bulix.org/archives/dev/ What is the pattern for the 'Message List' for showing the next messages in the sequence? I'm not sure how many messages it is trying to show - it doesn't seem consistent to me. What do you call the pattern ? If you are referring to the paging system, in date and author sort, 100 messages per page are displayed. In thread sort, 42 full threads are shown (this explain why you often have less pages in threaded mode than in date sort). When you are reading a message - it still shows a part of the message list - but it seems a bit non-intuitive as to how many messages it is showing when you are reading a message. This small context view display the messages before and after the one you are reading. The context size is -3 and +3 messages, except if you are in the first or last 3 messages of course. We are still talking about the AJAX browsing interface, eh ? If yes, there is currently no message navigation in the message view. I agree with your comments, and these links will be added soon. Also, please notice that prev/next links will only be able to go through the currently loaded page. I can eventually make the last 'Next' click load the next page if it exists, but it won't be possible to load the first message of this new page directly (blame the first 'A' of AJAX (asynchronous)). Yes, I'm talking about the AJAX interface. So, I look forward to seeing how you address this. ;-) I've added message view navigation and some other tweaks. Please referer to my last commits. - Sam -- Maxime Petazzoni (http://www.bulix.org) -- gone crazy, back soon. leave message. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
mod_mbox bug squashing
Hi, As the Summer Of Code deadline approaches, I'd like to put mod_mbox to the test in order to fix as many bugs as possible. If you are willing to help, here follows some useful information : - mod_mbox offers an AJAX browser (YY.mbox/browser) for dynamic archive browsing to Javascript capable browsers. Still, the AJAX browser is known to be working only in Gecko-based browser for the moment. - Whatever your browser is, if the AJAX browsing interface does not work for you, fall back to flat mode by deactivating Javascript or changing the URL from YY.mbox/browser to YY.mbox/thread - Please submit reports as answers to this thread, including your operating system version, your browser version and the URL where you noticed the problem. If it's in the AJAX browsing interface, please give the month, year, and relevant mail information (author, date and subject). The latest version of mod_mbox running an up-to-date rsync of the httpd-dev mail archives is available at http://skikda.bulix.org/archives/dev/ Thanks for your help, - Sam -- Maxime Petazzoni (http://www.bulix.org) -- gone crazy, back soon. leave message. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: mod_mbox bug squashing
Maxime Petazzoni wrote: Hi, As the Summer Of Code deadline approaches, I'd like to put mod_mbox to the test in order to fix as many bugs as possible. If you are willing to help, here follows some useful information : - mod_mbox offers an AJAX browser (YY.mbox/browser) for dynamic archive browsing to Javascript capable browsers. Still, the AJAX browser is known to be working only in Gecko-based browser for the moment. - Whatever your browser is, if the AJAX browsing interface does not work for you, fall back to flat mode by deactivating Javascript or changing the URL from YY.mbox/browser to YY.mbox/thread - Please submit reports as answers to this thread, including your operating system version, your browser version and the URL where you noticed the problem. If it's in the AJAX browsing interface, please give the month, year, and relevant mail information (author, date and subject). The latest version of mod_mbox running an up-to-date rsync of the httpd-dev mail archives is available at http://skikda.bulix.org/archives/dev/ I played around with this a bit, and I have a few comments. 1) It looks very cool, much nicer than the existing mod_mbox UI. 2) The way you let the user page through different parts of a given month is easy to miss. It took me a while to notice that the 1 2 3 4 links were up at the top. Adding next and prev links at the top and bottom would solve that problem. 3) In the AJAX UI visiting a link doesn't result in it being marked as visited in the same way that visiting a link in the non-AJAX UI does. If there's some CSS/JavaScript magic that can fix that it would be a good thing, as it's useful when searching through large amounts of mail to see where you've already looked. 4) The Back button is broken in the AJAX view, but you probably already knew that. Don't know if there's much that can be done about it. 5) If you know that the AJAX view only works in Gecko based browsers do you plan on sniffing the browser type and redirecting to the non-AJAX view in that case? This is probably a bit of a controversial subject, but it seems like the kind of thing that would have to be resolved before the ASF could roll something like this out. -garrett
Re: mod_mbox bug squashing
Hi, 1) It looks very cool, much nicer than the existing mod_mbox UI. Thanks, that was the main goal of httpd-mbox-if, I'm happy to hear that people find the new version nice and good-looking. 2) The way you let the user page through different parts of a given month is easy to miss. It took me a while to notice that the 1 2 3 4 links were up at the top. Adding next and prev links at the top and bottom would solve that problem. I've added Previous and Next links to the page selector. How is it ? 3) In the AJAX UI visiting a link doesn't result in it being marked as visited in the same way that visiting a link in the non-AJAX UI does. If there's some CSS/JavaScript magic that can fix that it would be a good thing, as it's useful when searching through large amounts of mail to see where you've already looked. I've already took a look to this problem, and I don't think we can solve them. Switching a link (a a markup) to the Css meta-class :visited does not seem to be possible in Javascript. Furthermore, changing link's color could be good, but they will disappear as soon as you reload the AJAX browsing interface ... 4) The Back button is broken in the AJAX view, but you probably already knew that. Don't know if there's much that can be done about it. What do you expect the back button to do ? Since we don't change the page, the browser won't help you here. As you've said, there's not much we can do here. 5) If you know that the AJAX view only works in Gecko based browsers do you plan on sniffing the browser type and redirecting to the non-AJAX view in that case? This is probably a bit of a controversial subject, but it seems like the kind of thing that would have to be resolved before the ASF could roll something like this out. I'll try to make the AJAX view work on as many browser as possible. I'd like it to work on Konqueror and Opera. The IE problem does not seem to be fixable. I think I'm going to put a link into the Loading... box to the flat version, so if the browser get stuck to the loading part, the user can fall back into flat mode. I'm also working on XHTML validation. Thanks a lot for your comments, - Sam -- Maxime Petazzoni (http://www.bulix.org) -- gone crazy, back soon. leave message. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: mod_mbox bug squashing
Maxime Petazzoni wrote: 2) The way you let the user page through different parts of a given month is easy to miss. It took me a while to notice that the 1 2 3 4 links were up at the top. Adding next and prev links at the top and bottom would solve that problem. I've added Previous and Next links to the page selector. How is it ? Nice. Thanks. 3) In the AJAX UI visiting a link doesn't result in it being marked as visited in the same way that visiting a link in the non-AJAX UI does. If there's some CSS/JavaScript magic that can fix that it would be a good thing, as it's useful when searching through large amounts of mail to see where you've already looked. I've already took a look to this problem, and I don't think we can solve them. Switching a link (a a markup) to the Css meta-class :visited does not seem to be possible in Javascript. Furthermore, changing link's color could be good, but they will disappear as soon as you reload the AJAX browsing interface ... That's too bad, but hey, if it can't be done then it can't be done. -garrett
Re: mod_mbox bug squashing
--On August 28, 2005 7:26:16 PM +0200 Maxime Petazzoni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - mod_mbox offers an AJAX browser (YY.mbox/browser) for dynamic archive browsing to Javascript capable browsers. Still, the AJAX browser is known to be working only in Gecko-based browser for the moment. Looks really nice! Here's a few comments: It crashes Safari (Mac OS X 10.4.x) when I try to select a message in the list when I already have a message open. Ouch! With Firefox (Deer Park Alpha 2), it works. The subject summaries in 'Message List' doesn't list the month - it just says 'Monday 01, 11:03:35' - I really think we need to emit the month there. (Yes, it's on the top, but that's easy to miss.) What is the pattern for the 'Message List' for showing the next messages in the sequence? I'm not sure how many messages it is trying to show - it doesn't seem consistent to me. One feature I like is having the 'Site Index' link - this is in mod_mbox trunk. How about having the 'Mailing list archives' also having a 'site index' link so you can view what other archives are present fro that site. I agree with Garrett that having the 'next' and 'prev' links should also appear at the *bottom* of the message - this is so that when you read the message, you can then click to read the next message in the thread w/o scrolling up. Most critically, I think the 'next' and 'prev', and numbered links can become confusing when trying to read a message. If you want to read the next message in the thread - clicking the 'message list' 'next'/'prev' links brings you out. So, finding some way to resolve that to make it clearer for the user - perhaps merely adding prev/next message in 'message view' list would be good. Or, have some way of hiding (or disabling) the list navigation when we have a message view active. But, again, it looks a lot better than what we have today. Cool. -- justin
