Re: Updating Incubator summary
I've put up a private roadmap page on Confluence. Feel free to add / edit / comment. https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/JOSHUA/Private+Roadmap Johns, the hook is that there are a lot of NLP tools that one can download and use (Berkeley Parser, spacy, etc), which have prebuilt models and just work — black box. But there is nothing like that for MT! Nothing you can just download and easily run, without caring about how it works or wanting to improve it. We want to build MT as a tool that people can easily include in their projects. Making MT available in this way will lead to uses that we haven't imagined. matt > On Nov 18, 2016, at 2:14 AM, Henri Yandell <bay...@apache.org> wrote: > > Given the community-over-code meme, incubator graduation is more about the > people than the code :) > > So I'm more interested in your roadmap being discussed and consensus > existing, than on how many releases are done etc. I like your proposed > roadmap and it seems like nice timing on request-for-graduation. > > Hen > > On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 2:44 AM, Matt Post <p...@cs.jhu.edu> wrote: > >> My thinking on that roadmap was a comment Lewis made a while ago about >> incubator graduation being judged by the number of releases. If you think >> we can get out sooner, then I'm all for it! Maybe we can get the docker >> containers out and then push for it after that? >> >> I like your idea about a more concerted advertising effort. We could also >> try to pull together a demo paper for ACL <http://acl2017.org/> which is >> due in February. I think I might have a hook that would appeal to reviewers >> there. >> >> >>> On Nov 17, 2016, at 2:12 AM, Henri Yandell <bay...@apache.org> wrote: >>> >>> Sounds good :) >>> >>> My basic mantra is 'get the summary page all signed off, then start >> asking >>> "when graduate?"'. Projects can tend to linger in the Incubator awaiting >>> perfection. >>> >>> I wonder how you could take the 3rd item (Linux.com article) and make >> that >>> bigger. Perhaps encourage every committer to write a blog post so you end >>> up with the article as an intro, and then each committer's blog entry or >>> website hosted article as a personal "how I got into this" or "what I >> work >>> on" or "a commit I recently did, a commit I keep meaning to getting >> around >>> to working on". Random thought :) >>> >>> Hen >>> >>> On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 11:09 AM, Matt Post <p...@cs.jhu.edu> wrote: >>> >>>> We're still waiting on our first software release, so it seems to me a >> bit >>>> premature to graduate? Though I don't know how these decisions are made >> — >>>> what goes into it? >>>> >>>> Here is the roadmap that I have in mind: >>>> >>>> - 6.1 release (imminent) >>>> - Large-scale release of language packs (imminent) >>>> - Linux.com article introducing people to MT, Joshua, language packs, >> and >>>> adding custom rules >>>> - Release of docker-based language packs (including KenLM) >>>> - 7.0 release (spring) >>>> - Graduate >>>> >>>> If we keep that rough schedule, we'll have incubated a year and have a >> lot >>>> to show for it. >>>> >>>> matt >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Nov 15, 2016, at 12:13 PM, Henri Yandell <bay...@apache.org> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Thanks :) >>>>> >>>>> Reason for asking being that it felt that the standard checklist things >>>>> were complete and I was wondering what the path to graduation is? >>>>> >>>>> Any reason not to start thinking about a vote? >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 04:02 Matt Post <p...@cs.jhu.edu> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, Lewis, and Henri, for pointing this out. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Nov 15, 2016, at 1:18 AM, lewis john mcgibbney < >> lewi...@apache.org> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Henri, >>>>>>> I just pushed the update to SVN. Should update asynch reasonably >> soon. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/joshua.html >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 1:22 PM, < >>>>>>> dev-digest-h...@joshua.incubator.apache.org> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From: Henri Yandell <bay...@apache.org> >>>>>>>> To: dev@joshua.incubator.apache.org >>>>>>>> Cc: >>>>>>>> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 01:17:57 -0800 >>>>>>>> Subject: Updating Incubator summary >>>>>>>> Would be useful to update this page: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/joshua.html >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Are there any of the checklist items that are still open? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> As far as I am aware no :) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >> >>
Re: Updating Incubator summary
@Matt, that sounds like an interesting goal. What's the hook? @Henri, that sounds good. I like the idea of showing people snippets, as MT isn't necessarily intuitive to the average Linux.com reader. On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 5:44 AM, Matt Post <p...@cs.jhu.edu> wrote: > My thinking on that roadmap was a comment Lewis made a while ago about > incubator graduation being judged by the number of releases. If you think > we can get out sooner, then I'm all for it! Maybe we can get the docker > containers out and then push for it after that? > > I like your idea about a more concerted advertising effort. We could also > try to pull together a demo paper for ACL <http://acl2017.org/> which is > due in February. I think I might have a hook that would appeal to reviewers > there. > > > > On Nov 17, 2016, at 2:12 AM, Henri Yandell <bay...@apache.org> wrote: > > > > Sounds good :) > > > > My basic mantra is 'get the summary page all signed off, then start > asking > > "when graduate?"'. Projects can tend to linger in the Incubator awaiting > > perfection. > > > > I wonder how you could take the 3rd item (Linux.com article) and make > that > > bigger. Perhaps encourage every committer to write a blog post so you end > > up with the article as an intro, and then each committer's blog entry or > > website hosted article as a personal "how I got into this" or "what I > work > > on" or "a commit I recently did, a commit I keep meaning to getting > around > > to working on". Random thought :) > > > > Hen > > > > On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 11:09 AM, Matt Post <p...@cs.jhu.edu> wrote: > > > >> We're still waiting on our first software release, so it seems to me a > bit > >> premature to graduate? Though I don't know how these decisions are made > — > >> what goes into it? > >> > >> Here is the roadmap that I have in mind: > >> > >> - 6.1 release (imminent) > >> - Large-scale release of language packs (imminent) > >> - Linux.com article introducing people to MT, Joshua, language packs, > and > >> adding custom rules > >> - Release of docker-based language packs (including KenLM) > >> - 7.0 release (spring) > >> - Graduate > >> > >> If we keep that rough schedule, we'll have incubated a year and have a > lot > >> to show for it. > >> > >> matt > >> > >> > >>> On Nov 15, 2016, at 12:13 PM, Henri Yandell <bay...@apache.org> wrote: > >>> > >>> Thanks :) > >>> > >>> Reason for asking being that it felt that the standard checklist things > >>> were complete and I was wondering what the path to graduation is? > >>> > >>> Any reason not to start thinking about a vote? > >>> > >>> On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 04:02 Matt Post <p...@cs.jhu.edu> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Thanks, Lewis, and Henri, for pointing this out. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> On Nov 15, 2016, at 1:18 AM, lewis john mcgibbney < > lewi...@apache.org> > >>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Hi Henri, > >>>>> I just pushed the update to SVN. Should update asynch reasonably > soon. > >>>>> > >>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/joshua.html > >>>>> > >>>>> Thanks > >>>>> > >>>>> On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 1:22 PM, < > >>>>> dev-digest-h...@joshua.incubator.apache.org> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> From: Henri Yandell <bay...@apache.org> > >>>>>> To: dev@joshua.incubator.apache.org > >>>>>> Cc: > >>>>>> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 01:17:57 -0800 > >>>>>> Subject: Updating Incubator summary > >>>>>> Would be useful to update this page: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/joshua.html > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Are there any of the checklist items that are still open? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> As far as I am aware no :) > >>>> > >>>> > >> > >> > >
Re: Updating Incubator summary
My thinking on that roadmap was a comment Lewis made a while ago about incubator graduation being judged by the number of releases. If you think we can get out sooner, then I'm all for it! Maybe we can get the docker containers out and then push for it after that? I like your idea about a more concerted advertising effort. We could also try to pull together a demo paper for ACL <http://acl2017.org/> which is due in February. I think I might have a hook that would appeal to reviewers there. > On Nov 17, 2016, at 2:12 AM, Henri Yandell <bay...@apache.org> wrote: > > Sounds good :) > > My basic mantra is 'get the summary page all signed off, then start asking > "when graduate?"'. Projects can tend to linger in the Incubator awaiting > perfection. > > I wonder how you could take the 3rd item (Linux.com article) and make that > bigger. Perhaps encourage every committer to write a blog post so you end > up with the article as an intro, and then each committer's blog entry or > website hosted article as a personal "how I got into this" or "what I work > on" or "a commit I recently did, a commit I keep meaning to getting around > to working on". Random thought :) > > Hen > > On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 11:09 AM, Matt Post <p...@cs.jhu.edu> wrote: > >> We're still waiting on our first software release, so it seems to me a bit >> premature to graduate? Though I don't know how these decisions are made — >> what goes into it? >> >> Here is the roadmap that I have in mind: >> >> - 6.1 release (imminent) >> - Large-scale release of language packs (imminent) >> - Linux.com article introducing people to MT, Joshua, language packs, and >> adding custom rules >> - Release of docker-based language packs (including KenLM) >> - 7.0 release (spring) >> - Graduate >> >> If we keep that rough schedule, we'll have incubated a year and have a lot >> to show for it. >> >> matt >> >> >>> On Nov 15, 2016, at 12:13 PM, Henri Yandell <bay...@apache.org> wrote: >>> >>> Thanks :) >>> >>> Reason for asking being that it felt that the standard checklist things >>> were complete and I was wondering what the path to graduation is? >>> >>> Any reason not to start thinking about a vote? >>> >>> On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 04:02 Matt Post <p...@cs.jhu.edu> wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks, Lewis, and Henri, for pointing this out. >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Nov 15, 2016, at 1:18 AM, lewis john mcgibbney <lewi...@apache.org> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Henri, >>>>> I just pushed the update to SVN. Should update asynch reasonably soon. >>>>> >>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/joshua.html >>>>> >>>>> Thanks >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 1:22 PM, < >>>>> dev-digest-h...@joshua.incubator.apache.org> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> From: Henri Yandell <bay...@apache.org> >>>>>> To: dev@joshua.incubator.apache.org >>>>>> Cc: >>>>>> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 01:17:57 -0800 >>>>>> Subject: Updating Incubator summary >>>>>> Would be useful to update this page: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/joshua.html >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Are there any of the checklist items that are still open? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> As far as I am aware no :) >>>> >>>> >> >>
Re: Updating Incubator summary
Sounds good :) My basic mantra is 'get the summary page all signed off, then start asking "when graduate?"'. Projects can tend to linger in the Incubator awaiting perfection. I wonder how you could take the 3rd item (Linux.com article) and make that bigger. Perhaps encourage every committer to write a blog post so you end up with the article as an intro, and then each committer's blog entry or website hosted article as a personal "how I got into this" or "what I work on" or "a commit I recently did, a commit I keep meaning to getting around to working on". Random thought :) Hen On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 11:09 AM, Matt Post <p...@cs.jhu.edu> wrote: > We're still waiting on our first software release, so it seems to me a bit > premature to graduate? Though I don't know how these decisions are made — > what goes into it? > > Here is the roadmap that I have in mind: > > - 6.1 release (imminent) > - Large-scale release of language packs (imminent) > - Linux.com article introducing people to MT, Joshua, language packs, and > adding custom rules > - Release of docker-based language packs (including KenLM) > - 7.0 release (spring) > - Graduate > > If we keep that rough schedule, we'll have incubated a year and have a lot > to show for it. > > matt > > > > On Nov 15, 2016, at 12:13 PM, Henri Yandell <bay...@apache.org> wrote: > > > > Thanks :) > > > > Reason for asking being that it felt that the standard checklist things > > were complete and I was wondering what the path to graduation is? > > > > Any reason not to start thinking about a vote? > > > > On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 04:02 Matt Post <p...@cs.jhu.edu> wrote: > > > >> Thanks, Lewis, and Henri, for pointing this out. > >> > >> > >>> On Nov 15, 2016, at 1:18 AM, lewis john mcgibbney <lewi...@apache.org> > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi Henri, > >>> I just pushed the update to SVN. Should update asynch reasonably soon. > >>> > >>> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/joshua.html > >>> > >>> Thanks > >>> > >>> On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 1:22 PM, < > >>> dev-digest-h...@joshua.incubator.apache.org> wrote: > >>> > >>>> > >>>> From: Henri Yandell <bay...@apache.org> > >>>> To: dev@joshua.incubator.apache.org > >>>> Cc: > >>>> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 01:17:57 -0800 > >>>> Subject: Updating Incubator summary > >>>> Would be useful to update this page: > >>>> > >>>> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/joshua.html > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Are there any of the checklist items that are still open? > >>>> > >>>> > >>> As far as I am aware no :) > >> > >> > >
Re: Updating Incubator summary
We're still waiting on our first software release, so it seems to me a bit premature to graduate? Though I don't know how these decisions are made — what goes into it? Here is the roadmap that I have in mind: - 6.1 release (imminent) - Large-scale release of language packs (imminent) - Linux.com article introducing people to MT, Joshua, language packs, and adding custom rules - Release of docker-based language packs (including KenLM) - 7.0 release (spring) - Graduate If we keep that rough schedule, we'll have incubated a year and have a lot to show for it. matt > On Nov 15, 2016, at 12:13 PM, Henri Yandell <bay...@apache.org> wrote: > > Thanks :) > > Reason for asking being that it felt that the standard checklist things > were complete and I was wondering what the path to graduation is? > > Any reason not to start thinking about a vote? > > On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 04:02 Matt Post <p...@cs.jhu.edu> wrote: > >> Thanks, Lewis, and Henri, for pointing this out. >> >> >>> On Nov 15, 2016, at 1:18 AM, lewis john mcgibbney <lewi...@apache.org> >> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Henri, >>> I just pushed the update to SVN. Should update asynch reasonably soon. >>> >>> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/joshua.html >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 1:22 PM, < >>> dev-digest-h...@joshua.incubator.apache.org> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> From: Henri Yandell <bay...@apache.org> >>>> To: dev@joshua.incubator.apache.org >>>> Cc: >>>> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 01:17:57 -0800 >>>> Subject: Updating Incubator summary >>>> Would be useful to update this page: >>>> >>>> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/joshua.html >>>> >>>> >>>> Are there any of the checklist items that are still open? >>>> >>>> >>> As far as I am aware no :) >> >>
Re: Updating Incubator summary
Thanks :) Reason for asking being that it felt that the standard checklist things were complete and I was wondering what the path to graduation is? Any reason not to start thinking about a vote? On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 04:02 Matt Post <p...@cs.jhu.edu> wrote: > Thanks, Lewis, and Henri, for pointing this out. > > > > On Nov 15, 2016, at 1:18 AM, lewis john mcgibbney <lewi...@apache.org> > wrote: > > > > Hi Henri, > > I just pushed the update to SVN. Should update asynch reasonably soon. > > > > http://incubator.apache.org/projects/joshua.html > > > > Thanks > > > > On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 1:22 PM, < > > dev-digest-h...@joshua.incubator.apache.org> wrote: > > > >> > >> From: Henri Yandell <bay...@apache.org> > >> To: dev@joshua.incubator.apache.org > >> Cc: > >> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 01:17:57 -0800 > >> Subject: Updating Incubator summary > >> Would be useful to update this page: > >> > >> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/joshua.html > >> > >> > >> Are there any of the checklist items that are still open? > >> > >> > > As far as I am aware no :) > >
Re: Updating Incubator summary
Hi Henri, I just pushed the update to SVN. Should update asynch reasonably soon. http://incubator.apache.org/projects/joshua.html Thanks On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 1:22 PM, < dev-digest-h...@joshua.incubator.apache.org> wrote: > > From: Henri Yandell <bay...@apache.org> > To: dev@joshua.incubator.apache.org > Cc: > Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 01:17:57 -0800 > Subject: Updating Incubator summary > Would be useful to update this page: > > http://incubator.apache.org/projects/joshua.html > > > Are there any of the checklist items that are still open? > > As far as I am aware no :)
Updating Incubator summary
Would be useful to update this page: http://incubator.apache.org/projects/joshua.html Are there any of the checklist items that are still open?
