Re: [jruby-dev] Ditching SAFE and tainting

2007-07-07 Thread dertown
We just retested some safe levels and examples all failed right now. Was Safe disabled recently? Derek Charles Oliver Nutter-2 wrote: > > dertown wrote: >> Hi Charles >> >> What is exactly wrong with SAFE and Taint. >> and would it be even possible to get it

Re: [jruby-dev] Ditching SAFE and tainting

2007-07-05 Thread dertown
Charles Oliver Nutter-2 wrote: > > dertown wrote: >> Hi Charles >> >> What is exactly wrong with SAFE and Taint. >> and would it be even possible to get it working properly? I know you >> said >> below it was not possible. >> I am jus

Re: [jruby-dev] Ditching SAFE and tainting

2007-07-04 Thread dertown
Hi Charles What is exactly wrong with SAFE and Taint. and would it be even possible to get it working properly? I know you said below it was not possible. I am just trying to understand why. Derek Charles Oliver Nutter-2 wrote: > > SAFE and tainting go hand in hand as perhaps the sole securi

Re: [jruby-dev] Ditching SAFE and tainting

2007-07-04 Thread dertown
HI NIck I was looking at the Sandbox implemntation and it is a good model for stand alone applications. Howeve for distrubted applications , for example DRb we need something that is closer to Safe or has the same functions as safe. Derek Nick Sieger-2 wrote: > > On 7/3/07, dertown &

Re: [jruby-dev] Ditching SAFE and tainting

2007-07-03 Thread dertown
Nick Sieger-2 wrote: > > On 6/28/07, Thomas E Enebo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I say chuck it out since we are not even close to being correct in >> this area. It gives a false sense of security. In fact, I wonder >> what sort of audit MRI goes through to demonstrate that safe/taint is >>

Re: [jruby-dev] Ditching SAFE and tainting

2007-06-30 Thread dertown
Charles Oliver Nutter-2 wrote: > > dertown wrote: >> Is there a place where we can start getting some requiremnts together for >> a >> new Ruby Security implentation. Then it would be possible to completely >> replace SAFE and Taint. >> >> Would p

Re: [jruby-dev] Ditching SAFE and tainting

2007-06-29 Thread dertown
Would this solution be able to to cross implentations of Ruby? Nick Sieger-2 wrote: > > On 6/28/07, Thomas E Enebo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I say chuck it out since we are not even close to being correct in >> this area. It gives a false sense of security. In fact, I wonder >> what sort

Re: [jruby-dev] Ditching SAFE and tainting

2007-06-29 Thread dertown
Thomas E Enebo wrote: > > On 6/28/07, dertown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Thomas E Enebo wrote: >> > >> > I say chuck it out since we are not even close to being correct in >> > this area. It gives a false sense of security. In fact, I wonde

Re: [jruby-dev] Ditching SAFE and tainting

2007-06-28 Thread dertown
Thomas E Enebo wrote: > > I say chuck it out since we are not even close to being correct in > this area. It gives a false sense of security. In fact, I wonder > what sort of audit MRI goes through to demonstrate that safe/taint is > working. As far as I can tell tainting is really tough to

Re: [jruby-dev] Ditching SAFE and tainting

2007-06-27 Thread dertown
Charles Oliver Nutter-2 wrote: > > dertown wrote: >> I can understand the Idea and reasoning but i am wondering if you would >> implement something else to >> preform safty checks or leave that to indivdual users? > > The idea is that Ruby's profess

Re: [jruby-dev] Ditching SAFE and tainting

2007-06-27 Thread dertown
Charles Oliver Nutter-2 wrote: > > SAFE and tainting go hand in hand as perhaps the sole security mechanism > in Ruby. When at various SAFE levels, you can't eval code, modify arrays > and other objects, open files and sockets, and so on. There's 5 safe > levels, increasingly more restrictiv