Re: Mootools vs. jQuery

2014-01-09 Thread Terry Steichen
Dirk, Thanks for the pointer, and you're right, the author of that page convincingly shows that motools.js is pretty powerful. However, that comparison is 5 years old (and JQuery has grown in functionality and market share enormously in that period). The author states that even in 2009, the JQue

Re: Mootools vs. jQuery

2014-01-09 Thread Dirk Frederickx
@Terry, All the JQ features you mention (documentation, cross browser capabilities, ajax and json support) are also available for mootools. For those of you who are interested to read an excellent comparison article on this : http://www.jqueryvsmootools.com dirk On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 10:40

Re: Mootools vs. jQuery

2014-01-08 Thread Terry Steichen
Hi Ichiro, As a long-time JSPWiki user (lately mostly lurking on these lists, though), I strongly endorse your idea of migrating to a JQuery interface. I, in fact, have more or less done that - not in a generalized way, but in a way that's specific to my own needs. I did this for a number of re

Re: Mootools vs. jQuery

2014-01-06 Thread Ichiro Furusato
I've added a new issue for this, JSPWIKI-811 ( https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/JSPWIKI-811). Ichiro On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 10:04 AM, Dirk Frederickx wrote: > Hi Ichiro, > > I do not dispute jQuery's popularity. > If switching to jQuery helps in having in broader developer base for the >

Re: Mootools vs. jQuery

2014-01-06 Thread Dirk Frederickx
Hi Ichiro, I do not dispute jQuery's popularity. If switching to jQuery helps in having in broader developer base for the javascript, I'am all for it. Anyway, I prefer to first switch to the new template and the rewritten css & js. Refactoring to jQuery will be more easy then. * * * I propose

Re: Mootools vs. jQuery

2014-01-06 Thread Ichiro Furusato
Hi Dirk, Thanks for all of the information on Mootools' history and plans for the future. I think the question of Mootools vs. jQuery can be answered fairly easily, based on one question: how important is it for developers and users of JSPWiki to be able to modify and augment the JavaScript used o

Re: Mootools vs. jQuery

2014-01-06 Thread Dirk Frederickx
Hi, As Janne pointed out, mootools was chosen as it was the more performant, light-weight and feature-rich js framework at the time we started with javascript on JSPWiki. Today, mootools and jquery are feature-wise comparable, but jquery definitely has won the popularity contest. I still prefe

Re: Mootools vs. jQuery

2014-01-06 Thread Juan Pablo Santos Rodríguez
Hi, jspwiki-commonstyles.js uses mootools, at least for some of the effects; posteditor (non minified source: http://icebeat.bitacoras.com/public/mootools/posteditor/) is also based on mootools br, juan pablo p.s.: Ichiro, hope you'll evade the asylum ;-) On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 1:13 PM, Ichir

Re: Mootools vs. jQuery

2014-01-06 Thread Ichiro Furusato
Hi Janne, I do agree about the "over-popularity" of jQuery, and while I hardly call myself a JavaScript expert I probably know as much jQuery as I do JavaScript, so guilty as charged. But it does seem the world has almost entirely moved to jQuery. Not that I see any downside to that really -- the

Re: Mootools vs. jQuery

2014-01-06 Thread Janne Jalkanen
Simply put: JQuery did not exist at the time as a viable alternative, and Dirk, who wrote the templates, just was more familiar with Mootools. Since then, nobody has cared enough to change the default template to use anything else (despite several people promising that they'd contribute a new