Re: ANNOUNCEMENT! OKD Community Discussions Moved to okd...@googlegroups.com

[Serge van Ginderachter]

On Thu, 5 Sep 2019 at 06:53, James Cassell 
wrote:

> On Thu, Aug 1, 2019, at 3:32 PM, Diane Mueller-Klingspor wrote:
> >
> > All,
> >
> > Here are the meeting recording and notes from yesterday's OKD Working
> > Group meeting. If you are interested in participating in this group,
> > please join the google group for future meeting announcements and
> > discussion.
> >
> > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/okd-wg
> >
>
> Why the new mailing list?
>
> This email is the only hint that all discussion was going to vacate dev@...
> it wasn't even hinted to in the subject line.
>
> I joined dev and users a while back so I'd be able to follow the community
> and contribute where possible. What's wrong with dev@? At the very least,
> dev@ should have received all mail from okd-wg@ for some transition
> period while folks figure out how to subscribe without a Google account. I
> now realize a month later that there's been important discussions I've
> missed, and that are also missing from my e-mail archive, so won't come up
> in my mailbox searches.
>
> I may be the only one making the complaint, but it's hard to cultivate
> community when you leave behind those who'd tried to join it more than a
> week ago.
>

I've been lurking this list since quite some months, and seemed to have
missed that announcement, too. Never received that original mail you quoted
even.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT! OKD Community Discussions Moved to okd...@googlegroups.com

[Daniel Comnea]

James, Serge,

Back in July an email was sent to dev mailing list [1] and it was also
posted on OpenShift Common agenda announcing the kick off of the working
group.
In addition we've also sent out a survey trying to understand if folks will
be against the google group - the majority was not against.

Then if you look over past months a lot of discussion was around
communication channels - move out of mailing, not using slack, moving to
discourse, how to post messages to the google group w/o a google account
etc.

For now we decided to carry on with the working however any communication
like call for agreement on various topics will be posted on dev/ users
mailing list as well as the google working group.

We had yesterday our wg call and the next one will be on 17th Sept.

Should you want to list to all the working group meetings please check out
[2]


Cheers,
Dani


[1]
http://lists.openshift.redhat.com/openshift-archives/dev/2019-July/msg00041.html
[2] https://www.youtube.com/user/rhopenshift/videos

On Thu, Sep 5, 2019 at 1:57 PM Serge van Ginderachter <
se...@vanginderachter.be> wrote:

>
>
> On Thu, 5 Sep 2019 at 06:53, James Cassell 
> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Aug 1, 2019, at 3:32 PM, Diane Mueller-Klingspor wrote:
>> >
>> > All,
>> >
>> > Here are the meeting recording and notes from yesterday's OKD Working
>> > Group meeting. If you are interested in participating in this group,
>> > please join the google group for future meeting announcements and
>> > discussion.
>> >
>> > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/okd-wg
>> >
>>
>> Why the new mailing list?
>>
>> This email is the only hint that all discussion was going to vacate dev@...
>> it wasn't even hinted to in the subject line.
>>
>> I joined dev and users a while back so I'd be able to follow the
>> community and contribute where possible. What's wrong with dev@? At the
>> very least, dev@ should have received all mail from okd-wg@ for some
>> transition period while folks figure out how to subscribe without a Google
>> account. I now realize a month later that there's been important
>> discussions I've missed, and that are also missing from my e-mail archive,
>> so won't come up in my mailbox searches.
>>
>> I may be the only one making the complaint, but it's hard to cultivate
>> community when you leave behind those who'd tried to join it more than a
>> week ago.
>>
>
> I've been lurking this list since quite some months, and seemed to have
> missed that announcement, too. Never received that original mail you quoted
> even.
>
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT! OKD Community Discussions Moved to okd...@googlegroups.com

[James Cassell]

On Thu, Sep 5, 2019, at 9:39 AM, Daniel Comnea wrote:
> James, Serge,
> 
> Back in July an email was sent to dev mailing list [1] and it was also 
> posted on OpenShift Common agenda announcing the kick off of the 
> working group.
> In addition we've also sent out a survey trying to understand if folks 
> will be against the google group - the majority was not against.
> 
> Then if you look over past months a lot of discussion was around 
> communication channels - move out of mailing, not using slack, moving 
> to discourse, how to post messages to the google group w/o a google 
> account etc.
> 

Yes, but those discussions didn't include dev@ list, so your existing ML 
community who didn't make it to those meetings don't know about the new list. 
Even the email you referenced does not mention a new list.  If the results of 
that survey indicated folks wanted to new list, that email should have been 
replied to with such an announcement.

> For now we decided to carry on with the working however any 
> communication like call for agreement on various topics will be posted 
> on dev/ users mailing list as well as the google working group.
> 
> We had yesterday our wg call and the next one will be on 17th Sept.
> 

I found the recordings for the end of July meeting and the meeting earlier this 
week. Is there a recording for the mid-august meeting? I couldn't find it.


> Should you want to list to all the working group meetings please check out [2]
> 
> 
>  Cheers,
> Dani
> 

V/r,
James Cassell


> 
> [1] 
> http://lists.openshift.redhat.com/openshift-archives/dev/2019-July/msg00041.html
>  
> [2] https://www.youtube.com/user/rhopenshift/videos
> 
> On Thu, Sep 5, 2019 at 1:57 PM Serge van Ginderachter 
>  wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > On Thu, 5 Sep 2019 at 06:53, James Cassell  
> > wrote:
> >> On Thu, Aug 1, 2019, at 3:32 PM, Diane Mueller-Klingspor wrote:
> >>  > 
> >>  > All,
> >>  > 
> >>  > Here are the meeting recording and notes from yesterday's OKD Working 
> >>  > Group meeting. If you are interested in participating in this group, 
> >>  > please join the google group for future meeting announcements and 
> >>  > discussion.
> >>  > 
> >>  > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/okd-wg
> >>  > 
> >> 
> >>  Why the new mailing list?
> >> 
> >>  This email is the only hint that all discussion was going to vacate 
> >> dev@... it wasn't even hinted to in the subject line.
> >> 
> >>  I joined dev and users a while back so I'd be able to follow the 
> >> community and contribute where possible. What's wrong with dev@? At the 
> >> very least, dev@ should have received all mail from okd-wg@ for some 
> >> transition period while folks figure out how to subscribe without a Google 
> >> account. I now realize a month later that there's been important 
> >> discussions I've missed, and that are also missing from my e-mail archive, 
> >> so won't come up in my mailbox searches.
> >> 
> >>  I may be the only one making the complaint, but it's hard to cultivate 
> >> community when you leave behind those who'd tried to join it more than a 
> >> week ago.
> > 
> > I've been lurking this list since quite some months, and seemed to have 
> > missed that announcement, too. Never received that original mail you quoted 
> > even.
> > 
> > 
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Call for Agreement: OKD WG Charter (Revised Proposal)

[Christian Glombek]

Dear OKD Community,


this is the second Call for Agreement on the topic of the OKD WG Charter,
per the terms of the proposed Charter.

Question:
Do you accept or reject the proposed charter as the OKD Working Group's
main governing document.

You can find the charter proposal at:

https://github.com/openshift/community/pull/3

Please comment on the pull request to indicate your vote ("accept" or
"reject").
Make sure you apply for membership per the terms of the proposed charter
before you vote.

The voting period will conclude on September 13, 2019, at 00:00 UTC.

The outcome of the Call for Agreement will be published on the Pull Request
as well as on the Mailing List.


Thank you for your participation.

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Re: Call for Agreement: OKD WG Charter (Revised Proposal)

[Daniel Comnea]

Thanks Christian for doing this.
I've cc'ed users@ mailing list too to avoid situations where users might
miss the information and what we are trying to do.


Cheers,
Dani

On Thu, Sep 5, 2019 at 4:52 PM Christian Glombek 
wrote:

> Dear OKD Community,
>
>
> this is the second Call for Agreement on the topic of the OKD WG Charter,
> per the terms of the proposed Charter.
>
> Question:
> Do you accept or reject the proposed charter as the OKD Working Group's
> main governing document.
>
> You can find the charter proposal at:
>
> https://github.com/openshift/community/pull/3
>
> Please comment on the pull request to indicate your vote ("accept" or
> "reject").
> Make sure you apply for membership per the terms of the proposed charter
> before you vote.
>
> The voting period will conclude on September 13, 2019, at 00:00 UTC.
>
> The outcome of the Call for Agreement will be published on the Pull
> Request as well as on the Mailing List.
>
>
> Thank you for your participation.
>
> Christian Glombek
>
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT! OKD Community Discussions Moved to okd...@googlegroups.com

[Daniel Comnea]

On Thu, Sep 5, 2019 at 5:30 PM James Cassell 
wrote:

>
> On Thu, Sep 5, 2019, at 9:39 AM, Daniel Comnea wrote:
> > James, Serge,
> >
> > Back in July an email was sent to dev mailing list [1] and it was also
> > posted on OpenShift Common agenda announcing the kick off of the
> > working group.
> > In addition we've also sent out a survey trying to understand if folks
> > will be against the google group - the majority was not against.
> >
> > Then if you look over past months a lot of discussion was around
> > communication channels - move out of mailing, not using slack, moving
> > to discourse, how to post messages to the google group w/o a google
> > account etc.
> >
>
> Yes, but those discussions didn't include dev@ list, so your existing ML
> community who didn't make it to those meetings don't know about the new
> list. Even the email you referenced does not mention a new list.  If the
> results of that survey indicated folks wanted to new list, that email
> should have been replied to with such an announcement.
>
[DC]: in the email i've referenced there was a survey which was sent out to
be filled and in there there was a link to the google group. Saying that i
took note of your message and i'll make sure either myself or the other
co-chairs will send out notification to the mailing lists.

Once we get the charter approved we'll learn as we go if we need to review/
improve/ change the process so folks are not feeling like being excluded or
missing any information. It is not our intention to do so, is the opposite
just bear with us and we'll trying to improve things, we are listening !


>
> > For now we decided to carry on with the working however any
> > communication like call for agreement on various topics will be posted
> > on dev/ users mailing list as well as the google working group.
> >
> > We had yesterday our wg call and the next one will be on 17th Sept.
> >
>
> I found the recordings for the end of July meeting and the meeting earlier
> this week. Is there a recording for the mid-august meeting? I couldn't find
> it.
>
> [DC]: i think we've skipped due to holiday if my memory serves well.
Either way we are aiming for each meeting to be recorded and uploaded so
folks who missed can go back and listen.

>
> > Should you want to list to all the working group meetings please check
> out [2]
> >
> >
> >  Cheers,
> > Dani
> >
>
> V/r,
> James Cassell
>
>
> >
> > [1]
> >
> http://lists.openshift.redhat.com/openshift-archives/dev/2019-July/msg00041.html
> > [2] https://www.youtube.com/user/rhopenshift/videos
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 5, 2019 at 1:57 PM Serge van Ginderachter
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, 5 Sep 2019 at 06:53, James Cassell <
> fedoraproj...@cyberpear.com> wrote:
> > >> On Thu, Aug 1, 2019, at 3:32 PM, Diane Mueller-Klingspor wrote:
> > >>  >
> > >>  > All,
> > >>  >
> > >>  > Here are the meeting recording and notes from yesterday's OKD
> Working
> > >>  > Group meeting. If you are interested in participating in this
> group,
> > >>  > please join the google group for future meeting announcements and
> > >>  > discussion.
> > >>  >
> > >>  > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/okd-wg
> > >>  >
> > >>
> > >>  Why the new mailing list?
> > >>
> > >>  This email is the only hint that all discussion was going to vacate
> dev@... it wasn't even hinted to in the subject line.
> > >>
> > >>  I joined dev and users a while back so I'd be able to follow the
> community and contribute where possible. What's wrong with dev@? At the
> very least, dev@ should have received all mail from okd-wg@ for some
> transition period while folks figure out how to subscribe without a Google
> account. I now realize a month later that there's been important
> discussions I've missed, and that are also missing from my e-mail archive,
> so won't come up in my mailbox searches.
> > >>
> > >>  I may be the only one making the complaint, but it's hard to
> cultivate community when you leave behind those who'd tried to join it more
> than a week ago.
> > >
> > > I've been lurking this list since quite some months, and seemed to
> have missed that announcement, too. Never received that original mail you
> quoted even.
> > >
> > >
> >
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