Re: Disturbing and steady decrease in boosting by date performance (and maybe others).

[David Smiley]

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On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 8:35 PM Joel Bernstein  wrote:

> One of the things that would be interesting would be to analyze the QTimes
> for individual queries from the logs for these runs. If you ship me the log
> files I can take a look. I'll also be posting a branch with new command
> line tool for posting logs to be indexed in Solr tomorrow and you can take
> a look at that.
>
> And the profiler is probably the only way to know for sure what's
> happening here.
>
>
>
>
>
> Joel Bernstein
> http://joelsolr.blogspot.com/
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 7:37 PM Erick Erickson 
> wrote:
>
>> The very short form is that from Solr 6.6.1 to Solr 8.3.1, the throughput
>> for date boosting in my tests dropped by 40+%
>>
>> I’ve been hearing about slowdowns in successive Solr releases with boost
>> functions, so I dug into it a bit. The test setup is just a boost-by-date
>> with an additional big OR clause of 100 random words so I’d be sure to hit
>> a bunch of docs. I figured that if there were few hits, the signal would be
>> lost in the noise, but I didn’t look at the actual hit counts.
>>
>> I saw several Solr JIRAs about this subject, but they were slightly
>> different, although quite possibly the same underlying issue. So I tried to
>> get this down to a very specific form of a query.
>>
>> I’ve also seen some cases in the wild where the response was proportional
>> to the number of segments, thus my optimize experiments.
>>
>> Here are the results, explanation below. O stands for optimized to one
>> segment. I spot checked pdate against 7x and 8x and they weren’t
>> significantly different performance wise from tdate. All have docValues
>> enabled. I ran these against a multiValued=“false” field. All the tests
>> pegged all my CPUs. Jmeter is being run on a different machine than Solr.
>> Only one Solr was running for any test.
>>
>> Solr version   queries/min
>> 6.6.1  3,400
>> 6.6.1 O   4,800
>>
>> 7.1 2,800
>> 7.1 O 4,200
>>
>> 7.7.1  2,400
>> 7.7.1 O  3,500
>>
>> 8.3.1 2,000
>> 8.3.1 O  2,600
>>
>>
>> The tests I’ve been running just index 20M docs into a single core, then
>> run the exact same 10,000 queries against them from jmeter with 24 threads.
>> Spot checks showed no hits on the queryResultCache.
>>
>> A query looks like this:
>> rows=0&{!boost b=recip(ms(NOW,
>> INSERT_FIELD_HERE),3.16e-11,1,1)}text_txt:(campaigners OR adjourned OR
>> anyplace…97 more random words)
>>
>> There is no faceting. No grouping. No sorting.
>>
>> I fill in INSERT_FIELD_HERE through jmeter magic. I’m running the exact
>> same queries for every test.
>>
>> One wildcard is that I did regenerate the index for each major revision,
>> and the chose random words from the same list of words, as well as random
>> times (bounded in the same range though) so the docs are not completely
>> identical. The index was in the native format for that major version even
>> if slightly different between versions. I ran the test once, then ran it
>> again after optimizing the index.
>>
>> I haven’t dug any farther, if anyone’s interested I can throw a profiler
>> at, say, 8.3 and see what I can see, although I’m not going to have time to
>> dive into this any time soon. I’d be glad to run some tests though. I saved
>> the queries and the indexes so running a test would  only take a few
>> minutes.
>>
>> While I concentrated on date fields, the docs have date, int, and long
>> fields, both docValues=true and docValues=false, each variant with
>> multiValued=true and multiValued=false and both Trie and Point (where
>> possible) variants as well as a pretty simple text field.
>>
>> Erick
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Disturbing and steady decrease in boosting by date performance (and maybe others).

[Joel Bernstein]

One of the things that would be interesting would be to analyze the QTimes
for individual queries from the logs for these runs. If you ship me the log
files I can take a look. I'll also be posting a branch with new command
line tool for posting logs to be indexed in Solr tomorrow and you can take
a look at that.

And the profiler is probably the only way to know for sure what's happening
here.





Joel Bernstein
http://joelsolr.blogspot.com/


On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 7:37 PM Erick Erickson 
wrote:

> The very short form is that from Solr 6.6.1 to Solr 8.3.1, the throughput
> for date boosting in my tests dropped by 40+%
>
> I’ve been hearing about slowdowns in successive Solr releases with boost
> functions, so I dug into it a bit. The test setup is just a boost-by-date
> with an additional big OR clause of 100 random words so I’d be sure to hit
> a bunch of docs. I figured that if there were few hits, the signal would be
> lost in the noise, but I didn’t look at the actual hit counts.
>
> I saw several Solr JIRAs about this subject, but they were slightly
> different, although quite possibly the same underlying issue. So I tried to
> get this down to a very specific form of a query.
>
> I’ve also seen some cases in the wild where the response was proportional
> to the number of segments, thus my optimize experiments.
>
> Here are the results, explanation below. O stands for optimized to one
> segment. I spot checked pdate against 7x and 8x and they weren’t
> significantly different performance wise from tdate. All have docValues
> enabled. I ran these against a multiValued=“false” field. All the tests
> pegged all my CPUs. Jmeter is being run on a different machine than Solr.
> Only one Solr was running for any test.
>
> Solr version   queries/min
> 6.6.1  3,400
> 6.6.1 O   4,800
>
> 7.1 2,800
> 7.1 O 4,200
>
> 7.7.1  2,400
> 7.7.1 O  3,500
>
> 8.3.1 2,000
> 8.3.1 O  2,600
>
>
> The tests I’ve been running just index 20M docs into a single core, then
> run the exact same 10,000 queries against them from jmeter with 24 threads.
> Spot checks showed no hits on the queryResultCache.
>
> A query looks like this:
> rows=0&{!boost b=recip(ms(NOW,
> INSERT_FIELD_HERE),3.16e-11,1,1)}text_txt:(campaigners OR adjourned OR
> anyplace…97 more random words)
>
> There is no faceting. No grouping. No sorting.
>
> I fill in INSERT_FIELD_HERE through jmeter magic. I’m running the exact
> same queries for every test.
>
> One wildcard is that I did regenerate the index for each major revision,
> and the chose random words from the same list of words, as well as random
> times (bounded in the same range though) so the docs are not completely
> identical. The index was in the native format for that major version even
> if slightly different between versions. I ran the test once, then ran it
> again after optimizing the index.
>
> I haven’t dug any farther, if anyone’s interested I can throw a profiler
> at, say, 8.3 and see what I can see, although I’m not going to have time to
> dive into this any time soon. I’d be glad to run some tests though. I saved
> the queries and the indexes so running a test would  only take a few
> minutes.
>
> While I concentrated on date fields, the docs have date, int, and long
> fields, both docValues=true and docValues=false, each variant with
> multiValued=true and multiValued=false and both Trie and Point (where
> possible) variants as well as a pretty simple text field.
>
> Erick
>
>
>
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Disturbing and steady decrease in boosting by date performance (and maybe others).

[Erick Erickson]

The very short form is that from Solr 6.6.1 to Solr 8.3.1, the throughput for 
date boosting in my tests dropped by 40+%

I’ve been hearing about slowdowns in successive Solr releases with boost 
functions, so I dug into it a bit. The test setup is just a boost-by-date with 
an additional big OR clause of 100 random words so I’d be sure to hit a bunch 
of docs. I figured that if there were few hits, the signal would be lost in the 
noise, but I didn’t look at the actual hit counts.

I saw several Solr JIRAs about this subject, but they were slightly different, 
although quite possibly the same underlying issue. So I tried to get this down 
to a very specific form of a query.

I’ve also seen some cases in the wild where the response was proportional to 
the number of segments, thus my optimize experiments.

Here are the results, explanation below. O stands for optimized to one segment. 
I spot checked pdate against 7x and 8x and they weren’t significantly different 
performance wise from tdate. All have docValues enabled. I ran these against a 
multiValued=“false” field. All the tests pegged all my CPUs. Jmeter is being 
run on a different machine than Solr. Only one Solr was running for any test.

Solr version   queries/min   
6.6.1  3,400  
6.6.1 O   4,800  

7.1 2,800   
7.1 O 4,200   

7.7.1  2,400   
7.7.1 O  3,500

8.3.1 2,000
8.3.1 O  2,600


The tests I’ve been running just index 20M docs into a single core, then run 
the exact same 10,000 queries against them from jmeter with 24 threads. Spot 
checks showed no hits on the queryResultCache.

A query looks like this: 
rows=0&{!boost b=recip(ms(NOW, 
INSERT_FIELD_HERE),3.16e-11,1,1)}text_txt:(campaigners OR adjourned OR 
anyplace…97 more random words)

There is no faceting. No grouping. No sorting.

I fill in INSERT_FIELD_HERE through jmeter magic. I’m running the exact same 
queries for every test.

One wildcard is that I did regenerate the index for each major revision, and 
the chose random words from the same list of words, as well as random times 
(bounded in the same range though) so the docs are not completely identical. 
The index was in the native format for that major version even if slightly 
different between versions. I ran the test once, then ran it again after 
optimizing the index.

I haven’t dug any farther, if anyone’s interested I can throw a profiler at, 
say, 8.3 and see what I can see, although I’m not going to have time to dive 
into this any time soon. I’d be glad to run some tests though. I saved the 
queries and the indexes so running a test would  only take a few minutes.

While I concentrated on date fields, the docs have date, int, and long fields, 
both docValues=true and docValues=false, each variant with multiValued=true and 
multiValued=false and both Trie and Point (where possible) variants as well as 
a pretty simple text field.

Erick



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