[SUMMARY] [DISCUSS] Radical Fast Forward to 3.5.4

2022-03-20 Thread Michael Osipov
I'd like to distill what has been discussed and favored so far by respondees and how we should proceed in the future: * Cut off old ties and favorize move to 3.5.4 as a new baseline * Have downstream users follow us and us follow them * Establish proper documentation on our baseline rules * Some

Re: [DISCUSS] Radical Fast Forward to 3.5.4

2022-03-14 Thread Bernd Eckenfels
Solórzano Gesendet: Monday, March 14, 2022 4:31:35 PM An: Maven Developers List Betreff: Re: [DISCUSS] Radical Fast Forward to 3.5.4 FYI, it looks like RHEL-based 7 uses maven 3.0.5, RHEL-based 8 uses 3.5.4 and 3.6.3. My guess is that even if the new upgraded plugins depend on Maven 3.5.4 it wouldn&#

Re: [DISCUSS] Radical Fast Forward to 3.5.4

2022-03-14 Thread Slawomir Jaranowski
Hi, As I and others wrote - we should have clear documentation about release and version policy. Maintainers / contributors of package managers should take care about updating their products. It can not be our responsibility and moreover a blocker for us. We have basic instructions on how to ins

Re: [DISCUSS] Radical Fast Forward to 3.5.4

2022-03-14 Thread Jorge Solórzano
FYI, it looks like RHEL-based 7 uses maven 3.0.5, RHEL-based 8 uses 3.5.4 and 3.6.3. My guess is that even if the new upgraded plugins depend on Maven 3.5.4 it wouldn't cause major issues as if anyone is using an olver Maven version they will likely use older versions of the plugins/components. A

Re: [DISCUSS] Radical Fast Forward to 3.5.4

2022-03-14 Thread Elliotte Rusty Harold
FYI Debian Stable is at 3.6.3 as is Ubuntu. Homebrew is at 3.8. I've only checked the websites for this, not tried to install from there. However neither looks like a blocker. What other package managers should we check? What does Red Hat use? Windows? Also, are there any older versions of OS's l

Re: [DISCUSS] Radical Fast Forward to 3.5.4

2022-03-14 Thread Guillaume Nodet
+1 to upgrade plugins / components Le dim. 13 mars 2022 à 12:48, Michael Osipov a écrit : > Folks, > > as you might now we are dragging old luggage over and over with every > new year. We are making (little) progress with cleansing, skimming and > updating of our components. > > I'll will make

Re: [DISCUSS] Radical Fast Forward to 3.5.4

2022-03-14 Thread Romain Manni-Bucau
Le lun. 14 mars 2022 à 08:43, Hervé BOUTEMY a écrit : > Le lundi 14 mars 2022, 08:01:11 CET Maarten Mulders a écrit : > > Just to clarify: "Raise the entire baseline to Maven 3.5.4" means that > > the official Maven plugins will only work from Maven Core 3.5.4 onwards? > yes > > > In that case, +

Re: [DISCUSS] Radical Fast Forward to 3.5.4

2022-03-14 Thread Hervé BOUTEMY
Le lundi 14 mars 2022, 08:01:11 CET Maarten Mulders a écrit : > Just to clarify: "Raise the entire baseline to Maven 3.5.4" means that > the official Maven plugins will only work from Maven Core 3.5.4 onwards? yes > In that case, +1 to move the baseline to 3.5.4. > > Point of concern/question: t

Re: [DISCUSS] Radical Fast Forward to 3.5.4

2022-03-14 Thread Maarten Mulders
Just to clarify: "Raise the entire baseline to Maven 3.5.4" means that the official Maven plugins will only work from Maven Core 3.5.4 onwards? In that case, +1 to move the baseline to 3.5.4. Point of concern/question: this may be a breaking change in some cases - how do we communicate that in

Re: [DISCUSS] Radical Fast Forward to 3.5.4

2022-03-13 Thread Enrico Olivelli
+1 Thanks for bringing this up Enrico Il giorno dom 13 mar 2022 alle ore 20:58 Elliotte Rusty Harold ha scritto: > > What do all the various package managers install? I'm pretty sure I've > seen one lately whose default was 3.3.1. Debian perhaps? > > I think before we make any such move it woul

Re: [DISCUSS] Radical Fast Forward to 3.5.4

2022-03-13 Thread Elliotte Rusty Harold
What do all the various package managers install? I'm pretty sure I've seen one lately whose default was 3.3.1. Debian perhaps? I think before we make any such move it would make sense to audit what people who don't manually install Maven are likely to have. First we should raise all those to 3.5.

Re: [DISCUSS] Radical Fast Forward to 3.5.4

2022-03-13 Thread Slawomir Jaranowski
Hi, +100 for 3.5.4 as minimum. We should even consider 3.8.x. It is the fact that we only support the latest release version. We know how much work is in Maven core and how many plugins / components we support. And we know how many active maintainers we have. It should be clearly announced in d

Re: [DISCUSS] Radical Fast Forward to 3.5.4

2022-03-13 Thread Hervé BOUTEMY
+1 to upgrade to Maven 3.5.4 prerequisite for future plugins releases what I'd like is that we better document compatibility updates: - on Java prerequisites for components - on Java and Maven prerequisites for plugins I found one community plugin that does a really excellent job at that [1] I do

Re: [DISCUSS] Radical Fast Forward to 3.5.4

2022-03-13 Thread Michael Osipov
Technically, you are right. We request to verify issues with 3.8.x and move to if the issue is resolved. But that does not happen very often, IMHO. I wouldn't even object to raise to 3.8.1, but this is another discussion. Am 2022-03-13 um 16:45 schrieb Sylwester Lachiewicz: Everything before

Re: [DISCUSS] Radical Fast Forward to 3.5.4

2022-03-13 Thread Sylwester Lachiewicz
Everything before 3.8.x now it's obsolete, because we no longer provide or plan any patches to the 3.5x or 3.6x line (bugfix or security) Sylwester niedz., 13 mar 2022, 12:48 użytkownik Michael Osipov napisał: > Folks, > > as you might now we are dragging old luggage over and over with every >

Re: [DISCUSS] Radical Fast Forward to 3.5.4

2022-03-13 Thread Tamás Cservenák
+1 On Sun, Mar 13, 2022, 12:48 Michael Osipov wrote: > Folks, > > as you might now we are dragging old luggage over and over with every > new year. We are making (little) progress with cleansing, skimming and > updating of our components. > > I'll will make a radical proposal I have already disc

Re: [DISCUSS] Radical Fast Forward to 3.5.4

2022-03-13 Thread Michael Osipov
I don't think this is so easy. While working on Doxia we have noticed that a lot of intertwined and as soon as you touch on component you need to touch the rest also. At least a one time pain we must go. Am 2022-03-13 um 12:52 schrieb Romain Manni-Bucau: Hi, No big issue with me but I would

Re: [DISCUSS] Radical Fast Forward to 3.5.4

2022-03-13 Thread Romain Manni-Bucau
Hi, No big issue with me but I would also consider letting v3 as it is and start working on v4 with an alpha coming soon maybe? Can be a way to reach these goals without impacting twice end users too. Le dim. 13 mars 2022 à 12:48, Michael Osipov a écrit : > Folks, > > as you might now we are dr

[DISCUSS] Radical Fast Forward to 3.5.4

2022-03-13 Thread Michael Osipov
Folks, as you might now we are dragging old luggage over and over with every new year. We are making (little) progress with cleansing, skimming and updating of our components. I'll will make a radical proposal I have already discussed privately with other fellow committers over Slack: Raise