Re: Propose to discontinue supporting Apache MXNet on Windows 7

2018-09-05 Thread kellen sunderland
I've seen enough anecdotes to switch to -1. Visual Studio 2017 claims support for Windows 7: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/visualstudio/productinfo/vs2017-system-requirements-vs so I'm not sure if compiler support is really an issue. On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 8:09 PM Joshua Z. Zhang wrote: > I

Re: Propose to discontinue supporting Apache MXNet on Windows 7

2018-09-04 Thread Joshua Z. Zhang
I have contacted some friends in industry, they claim that some controller PCs are still on win7 and have no plan to upgrade in near future, so I would strongly go -1. In terms of build system on Windows 7, MS does give warnings in VS 2015, but with compatibility mode, we can still install it

Re: Propose to discontinue supporting Apache MXNet on Windows 7

2018-09-04 Thread sebastianb
One more data point: Mathematica still supports Windows 7 (with Platform Update), and we use MXNet as a backend for our neural net framework. So I would also vote against deprecating Windows 7 support. > On Sep 2, 2018, at 7:40 PM, Marco de Abreu > wrote: > > Thanks for the data and these

Re: Propose to discontinue supporting Apache MXNet on Windows 7

2018-09-03 Thread shiwen hu
The known problem with Win7 now is https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/issues/9271. Because I've upgraded Win10, so I can't reproduce this problem, and I can't solve it. I am not sure whether the problem has been solved now. I am sorry about this shiwen hu 于2018年9月3日周一 下午7:43写道: > At

Re: Propose to discontinue supporting Apache MXNet on Windows 7

2018-09-03 Thread shiwen hu
At present, all precompiled packages are win10-compiled. There are no large-scale reports that can no run win7. Therefore, there is no problem for all precompiled package users to stop or continue supporting. Timur Shenkao 于2018年9月3日周一 下午5:14写道: > Users live like you described: install mxnet,

Re: Propose to discontinue supporting Apache MXNet on Windows 7

2018-09-03 Thread Timur Shenkao
Users live like you described: install mxnet, then import fails, switch to TF or Pytorch and forget mxnet forever. Only very stubborn users spend time in loop: compiling / building wheel / conda package on external machine, copy to destination machine, fail with some dependency error, etc. Until

Re: Propose to discontinue supporting Apache MXNet on Windows 7

2018-09-03 Thread Lin Yuan
Thanks for all the constructive discussions. I have a few thoughts on this topic: When we say we support a particular platform X, I suppose it means the following processes in production: 1) Active developer support, the minimum of which is a clear instruction to build from source on X. 2)

Re: Propose to discontinue supporting Apache MXNet on Windows 7

2018-09-02 Thread Timur Shenkao
>> I also believe that it is possible to install more recent >> versions of Visual Studio on Windows 7. It's about security reasons and AD permissions and bought licenses for VS, not about general technical impossibility of installation of up-to-date versions. On Sunday, September 2, 2018, Marco

Re: Propose to discontinue supporting Apache MXNet on Windows 7

2018-09-02 Thread Marco de Abreu
Thanks for the data and these quite important points. I agree and hereby change my vote to -1. Barber, Christopher schrieb am So., 2. Sep. 2018, 18:56: > FWIW, my company is only beginning to transition to Windows 10 now, and my > past experience would lead me to believe that many enterprises

Re: Propose to discontinue supporting Apache MXNet on Windows 7

2018-09-02 Thread Barber, Christopher
FWIW, my company is only beginning to transition to Windows 10 now, and my past experience would lead me to believe that many enterprises stick with old versions of Windows long past when you think they would. Seems to me that if you are unwilling to deprecate python 2.7, then continuing to

Re: Propose to discontinue supporting Apache MXNet on Windows 7

2018-09-02 Thread Jim Jagielski
turn-4003-tao.a.lv=intel@mxnet.incubator.apache.org > [mailto:dev-return-4003-tao.a.lv=intel@mxnet.incubator.apache.org] > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2018 2:21 PM > To: dev@mxnet.incubator.apache.org > Subject: Re: Propose to discontinue supporting Apache MXNet on Windows 7 >

Re: Propose to discontinue supporting Apache MXNet on Windows 7

2018-09-02 Thread Timur Shenkao
Hello guys, In banks, fintech and other financial companies, governmental organizations, people still "use" windows 7 as they have no choice of os. Unfortunately they often don't have opportunity to install C/C++ compiler, visual studio as well. They cannot build mxnet, install specific C/ C++

Re: Propose to discontinue supporting Apache MXNet on Windows 7

2018-09-01 Thread kellen sunderland
Google analytics are sadly probably the best numbers we're going to get. Of course these numbers are likely to over-represent windows usage, as I'm sure many people are looking up documentation on a windows machine while ssh'd into a cloud instance or IoT device. What's the trend over time for

Re: Propose to discontinue supporting Apache MXNet on Windows 7

2018-09-01 Thread Mu Li
According to google analytics, ~12% users who visited mxnet's website are using Windows 7. It's a significant number. Even though we cannot conclude that all of these users will run MXNet on Windows 7, I suggest we still support win7. BTW, anyone who can access mxnet's google analytics report can

Re: Propose to discontinue supporting Apache MXNet on Windows 7

2018-09-01 Thread Steffen Rochel
I support a data driven decision. Any suggestions how we can obtain insight about OS usage of the MXNet user community? Can we get such information from pip install statistics or should we perform a user poll on the discussion forum? On the other hand the lack of data should not prevent us from

Re: Propose to discontinue supporting Apache MXNet on Windows 7

2018-08-30 Thread Sheng Zha
Hi Kellen, Thanks for the explanation. Unfortunately, I don't have the usage data, so I refrained from voting. If any of the voters have such data I'd love to see it too. -sz On 2018/08/30 14:58:09, kellen sunderland wrote: > I haven't spoken to anyone about the decision (as I'm currently

Re: Propose to discontinue supporting Apache MXNet on Windows 7

2018-08-30 Thread kellen sunderland
I haven't spoken to anyone about the decision (as I'm currently on an island in the med) but to me the quick +1s are likely a result of this being a fairly straightforward decision. The factors that went into my thinking were (1) prioritizing growing platforms rather than shrinking platforms

Re: Propose to discontinue supporting Apache MXNet on Windows 7

2018-08-30 Thread Sheng Zha
Hi Yuan, No problem. This is an issue that's worth having a clear definition, so there's nothing wrong about your proposal, and thanks for bringing this up. I'm more concerned about the seemingly unanimous votes on dropping support on a platform without seeing the supporting evidence that it's

Re: Propose to discontinue supporting Apache MXNet on Windows 7

2018-08-30 Thread Lin Yuan
Hi Sheng, Thanks for raising this concern. The problem now is that we cannot even build MXNet on Windows 7 because the build process requires MS VS 2015 w/ update 3 which is incompatible on Windows 7. This leaves many Windows 7 related open issues on github without any timely response. In my

RE: Propose to discontinue supporting Apache MXNet on Windows 7

2018-08-30 Thread Lv, Tao A
, August 30, 2018 2:21 PM To: dev@mxnet.incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Propose to discontinue supporting Apache MXNet on Windows 7 Hi Hagay, To minimize the impact to existing customers, I suggest we support MXNe 1.3 installation on Windows but defer all the bug fix to Windows 10 version and ask

Re: Propose to discontinue supporting Apache MXNet on Windows 7

2018-08-30 Thread Lin Yuan
Hi Hagay, To minimize the impact to existing customers, I suggest we support MXNe 1.3 installation on Windows but defer all the bug fix to Windows 10 version and ask users to migrate. Then we officially discontinue the support on Windows 7 in the 1.4 release. Thanks, Lin On Wed, Aug 29, 2018

Re: Propose to discontinue supporting Apache MXNet on Windows 7

2018-08-29 Thread Sheng Zha
Are any of the votes based on any measure of user impact, if we indeed decide not to fix the current problems? -sz On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 1:29 PM Hagay Lupesko wrote: > +1 (non-binding) > Thanks for raising this Lin! > Are you suggesting to do it as part of MXNet 1.3? > > On Wed, Aug 29, 2018

Re: Propose to discontinue supporting Apache MXNet on Windows 7

2018-08-29 Thread Hagay Lupesko
+1 (non-binding) Thanks for raising this Lin! Are you suggesting to do it as part of MXNet 1.3? On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 9:14 AM Srivastava, Rohit Kumar < srivastava@buckeyemail.osu.edu> wrote: > +1 > > On 8/29/18, 8:39 AM, "sandeep krishnamurthy" > wrote: > > +1 Thanks for bringing

Re: Propose to discontinue supporting Apache MXNet on Windows 7

2018-08-29 Thread Srivastava, Rohit Kumar
+1 On 8/29/18, 8:39 AM, "sandeep krishnamurthy" wrote: +1 Thanks for bringing this up. On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 6:38 AM Marco de Abreu wrote: > +1 > > On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 1:08 PM kellen sunderland < > kellen.sunderl...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >

Re: Propose to discontinue supporting Apache MXNet on Windows 7

2018-08-29 Thread sandeep krishnamurthy
+1 Thanks for bringing this up. On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 6:38 AM Marco de Abreu wrote: > +1 > > On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 1:08 PM kellen sunderland < > kellen.sunderl...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > +1 (non-binding) > > > > On Wed, Aug 29, 2018, 1:18 AM Anirudh Acharya > > wrote: > > > > > +1 for

Re: Propose to discontinue supporting Apache MXNet on Windows 7

2018-08-29 Thread Marco de Abreu
+1 On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 1:08 PM kellen sunderland < kellen.sunderl...@gmail.com> wrote: > +1 (non-binding) > > On Wed, Aug 29, 2018, 1:18 AM Anirudh Acharya > wrote: > > > +1 for discontinuing. > > > > On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 4:11 PM Naveen Swamy wrote: > > > > > +1 to stop supporting Win7

Re: Propose to discontinue supporting Apache MXNet on Windows 7

2018-08-29 Thread kellen sunderland
+1 (non-binding) On Wed, Aug 29, 2018, 1:18 AM Anirudh Acharya wrote: > +1 for discontinuing. > > On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 4:11 PM Naveen Swamy wrote: > > > +1 to stop supporting Win7 > > > > On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 3:54 PM Lin Yuan wrote: > > > > > Dear Community, > > > > > > > > > > > >

Re: Propose to discontinue supporting Apache MXNet on Windows 7

2018-08-28 Thread Anirudh Acharya
+1 for discontinuing. On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 4:11 PM Naveen Swamy wrote: > +1 to stop supporting Win7 > > On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 3:54 PM Lin Yuan wrote: > > > Dear Community, > > > > > > > > Currently, our MXNet installation guide for Windows does not work for > > Windows 7. e.g. Microsoft

Re: Propose to discontinue supporting Apache MXNet on Windows 7

2018-08-28 Thread Naveen Swamy
+1 to stop supporting Win7 On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 3:54 PM Lin Yuan wrote: > Dear Community, > > > > Currently, our MXNet installation guide for Windows does not work for > Windows 7. e.g. Microsoft Visual Studio 2015 is not supported on Windows 7 > < >

Propose to discontinue supporting Apache MXNet on Windows 7

2018-08-28 Thread Lin Yuan
Dear Community, Currently, our MXNet installation guide for Windows does not work for Windows 7. e.g. Microsoft Visual Studio 2015 is not supported on Windows 7 . In addition,