Re: [VOTE] Release MXNet version 1.3.0.RC0

2018-09-03 Thread Philip Cho
Actually, the command "git clone --recursive
https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet -b 1.3.0.rc0" works fine now,
never mind.

On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 1:45 PM Philip Cho 
wrote:

> Unfortunately, MXNet was depending on a branch of TVM that is now deleted.
> We will have to merge #12448
>  before the release.
>
> Background: See dmlc/tvm#1394 .
>
> Philip.
>
> On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 7:26 AM Carin Meier  wrote:
>
>> Checked out the tag, built and tested the Clojure package. +1
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 10:59 PM Roshani Nagmote <
>> roshaninagmo...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > I would like to propose a vote to release Apache MXNet (incubating)
>> version
>> > 1.3.0.RC0. Voting will start now (Friday, Aug 31st) and end at 7:00 PM
>> > PDT, Wednesday, Sept 5th.
>> >
>> > Link to release notes:
>> > https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/releases
>> >
>> > Link to release candidate 1.3.0.rc0:
>> > *https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/releases/tag/1.3.0.rc
>> > 0*
>> >
>> > View this page, click on "Build from Source", and use the source code
>> > obtained from 1.3.0.rc0 tag:
>> > https://mxnet.incubator.apache.org/install/index.html
>> >
>> > Please remember to TEST first before voting accordingly:
>> >
>> > +1 = approve
>> > +0 = no opinion
>> > -1 = disapprove (provide reason)
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Roshani
>> >
>>
>


Re: [VOTE] Release MXNet version 1.3.0.RC0

2018-09-03 Thread Philip Cho
Unfortunately, MXNet was depending on a branch of TVM that is now deleted.
We will have to merge #12448
 before the release.

Background: See dmlc/tvm#1394 .

Philip.

On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 7:26 AM Carin Meier  wrote:

> Checked out the tag, built and tested the Clojure package. +1
>
> On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 10:59 PM Roshani Nagmote <
> roshaninagmo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I would like to propose a vote to release Apache MXNet (incubating)
> version
> > 1.3.0.RC0. Voting will start now (Friday, Aug 31st) and end at 7:00 PM
> > PDT, Wednesday, Sept 5th.
> >
> > Link to release notes:
> > https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/releases
> >
> > Link to release candidate 1.3.0.rc0:
> > *https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/releases/tag/1.3.0.rc
> > 0*
> >
> > View this page, click on "Build from Source", and use the source code
> > obtained from 1.3.0.rc0 tag:
> > https://mxnet.incubator.apache.org/install/index.html
> >
> > Please remember to TEST first before voting accordingly:
> >
> > +1 = approve
> > +0 = no opinion
> > -1 = disapprove (provide reason)
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Roshani
> >
>


Re: [VOTE] Release MXNet version 1.3.0.RC0

2018-09-03 Thread Carin Meier
Checked out the tag, built and tested the Clojure package. +1

On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 10:59 PM Roshani Nagmote 
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I would like to propose a vote to release Apache MXNet (incubating) version
> 1.3.0.RC0. Voting will start now (Friday, Aug 31st) and end at 7:00 PM
> PDT, Wednesday, Sept 5th.
>
> Link to release notes:
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/releases
>
> Link to release candidate 1.3.0.rc0:
> *https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/releases/tag/1.3.0.rc
> 0*
>
> View this page, click on "Build from Source", and use the source code
> obtained from 1.3.0.rc0 tag:
> https://mxnet.incubator.apache.org/install/index.html
>
> Please remember to TEST first before voting accordingly:
>
> +1 = approve
> +0 = no opinion
> -1 = disapprove (provide reason)
>
> Thanks,
> Roshani
>


Re: Propose to discontinue supporting Apache MXNet on Windows 7

2018-09-03 Thread shiwen hu
The known problem with Win7 now is
https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/issues/9271.
Because I've upgraded Win10, so I can't reproduce this problem, and I can't
solve it.
I am not sure whether the problem has been solved now.
I am sorry about this

shiwen hu  于2018年9月3日周一 下午7:43写道:

> At present, all precompiled packages are win10-compiled.
> There are no large-scale reports that can no run win7.
> Therefore, there is no problem for all precompiled package users to stop
> or continue supporting.
>
> Timur Shenkao  于2018年9月3日周一 下午5:14写道:
>
>> Users live like you described: install mxnet, then import fails, switch to
>> TF or Pytorch and forget mxnet forever.
>>
>> Only very stubborn users spend time in loop: compiling / building wheel /
>> conda package on external machine, copy to destination machine, fail with
>> some dependency error, etc. Until patience is lost or something workable
>> is
>> created.
>>
>> On Monday, September 3, 2018, Lin Yuan  wrote:
>>
>> > Thanks for all the constructive discussions. I have a few thoughts on
>> this
>> > topic:
>> >
>> > When we say we support a particular platform X, I suppose it means the
>> > following processes in production:
>> >
>> > 1) Active developer support, the minimum of which is a clear
>> instruction to
>> > build from source on X.
>> > 2) Thorough test in each release/patch on X.
>> > 3) Continuous integration on X
>> >
>> > It seems today we are missing all of them for Windows 7 (correct me if
>> I am
>> > wrong). I have found issues opened over 9 months ago #9271
>> >  which fails
>> simply
>> > by importing mxnet and exiting on Windows 7. Thus, I am wondering how
>> many
>> > users are actually running MXNet on Windows 7 for meaningful work. How
>> did
>> > live by with such an obvious blocker.
>> >
>> > If we do have a large active user base to support, we then should
>> dedicate
>> > resource to implement the above three items in order to claim that we
>> > support Windows 7. After all, maybe we should change the thread topic to
>> > "Should we start supporting Windows 7 again?" :)
>> >
>> > I really appreciate your valuable comments. Have a great labor day
>> weekend!
>> >
>> > Lin
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sun, Sep 2, 2018 at 12:37 PM Timur Shenkao 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > > >> I also believe that it is possible to install more recent >>
>> versions
>> > of
>> > > Visual Studio on Windows 7.
>> > >
>> > > It's about security reasons and AD permissions and bought licenses for
>> > VS,
>> > > not about general technical impossibility of installation of
>> up-to-date
>> > > versions.
>> > >
>> > > On Sunday, September 2, 2018, Marco de Abreu
>> > >  wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Thanks for the data and these quite important points. I agree and
>> > hereby
>> > > > change my vote to -1.
>> > > >
>> > > > Barber, Christopher  schrieb am
>> So., 2.
>> > > > Sep.
>> > > > 2018, 18:56:
>> > > >
>> > > > > FWIW, my company is only beginning to transition to Windows 10
>> now,
>> > and
>> > > > my
>> > > > > past experience would lead me to believe that many enterprises
>> stick
>> > > with
>> > > > > old versions of Windows long past when you think they would.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Seems to me that if you are unwilling to deprecate python 2.7,
>> then
>> > > > > continuing to support Windows 7 is a no-brainer. You are more
>> likely
>> > to
>> > > > get
>> > > > > users to switch to python 3 than you are to get them to install a
>> new
>> > > > > operating system.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > And do you really want to drop support for platforms that your
>> > > > competitors
>> > > > > still support? Given MXNet's market share, I wouldn't dream of
>> > > dropping a
>> > > > > platform until after the more popular frameworks have already done
>> > so.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I also believe that it is possible to install more recent
>> versions of
>> > > > > Visual Studio on Windows 7.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > On 9/2/18, 1:57 AM, "kellen sunderland" <
>> > kellen.sunderl...@gmail.com>
>> > > > > wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Google analytics are sadly probably the best numbers we're
>> going
>> > to
>> > > > > get.
>> > > > > Of course these numbers are likely to over-represent windows
>> > usage,
>> > > > as
>> > > > > I'm
>> > > > > sure many people are looking up documentation on a windows
>> > machine
>> > > > > while
>> > > > > ssh'd into a cloud instance or IoT device.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > What's the trend over time for these numbers Mu?  Is Windows 7
>> > > usage
>> > > > > relatively stable over the last year?
>> > > > >
>> > > > > On Sun, Sep 2, 2018 at 1:58 AM Mu Li 
>> wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > According to google analytics, ~12% users who visited
>> mxnet's
>> > > > > website are
>> > > > > > using Windows 7. It's a significant number. Even though we
>> > cannot
>> > > > > conclude
>> > > > > > that all of these users will run MXNet on Windows 7, I
>> suggest
>> > we

Re: Propose to discontinue supporting Apache MXNet on Windows 7

2018-09-03 Thread shiwen hu
At present, all precompiled packages are win10-compiled.
There are no large-scale reports that can no run win7.
Therefore, there is no problem for all precompiled package users to stop or
continue supporting.

Timur Shenkao  于2018年9月3日周一 下午5:14写道:

> Users live like you described: install mxnet, then import fails, switch to
> TF or Pytorch and forget mxnet forever.
>
> Only very stubborn users spend time in loop: compiling / building wheel /
> conda package on external machine, copy to destination machine, fail with
> some dependency error, etc. Until patience is lost or something workable is
> created.
>
> On Monday, September 3, 2018, Lin Yuan  wrote:
>
> > Thanks for all the constructive discussions. I have a few thoughts on
> this
> > topic:
> >
> > When we say we support a particular platform X, I suppose it means the
> > following processes in production:
> >
> > 1) Active developer support, the minimum of which is a clear instruction
> to
> > build from source on X.
> > 2) Thorough test in each release/patch on X.
> > 3) Continuous integration on X
> >
> > It seems today we are missing all of them for Windows 7 (correct me if I
> am
> > wrong). I have found issues opened over 9 months ago #9271
> >  which fails
> simply
> > by importing mxnet and exiting on Windows 7. Thus, I am wondering how
> many
> > users are actually running MXNet on Windows 7 for meaningful work. How
> did
> > live by with such an obvious blocker.
> >
> > If we do have a large active user base to support, we then should
> dedicate
> > resource to implement the above three items in order to claim that we
> > support Windows 7. After all, maybe we should change the thread topic to
> > "Should we start supporting Windows 7 again?" :)
> >
> > I really appreciate your valuable comments. Have a great labor day
> weekend!
> >
> > Lin
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 2, 2018 at 12:37 PM Timur Shenkao  wrote:
> >
> > > >> I also believe that it is possible to install more recent >>
> versions
> > of
> > > Visual Studio on Windows 7.
> > >
> > > It's about security reasons and AD permissions and bought licenses for
> > VS,
> > > not about general technical impossibility of installation of up-to-date
> > > versions.
> > >
> > > On Sunday, September 2, 2018, Marco de Abreu
> > >  wrote:
> > >
> > > > Thanks for the data and these quite important points. I agree and
> > hereby
> > > > change my vote to -1.
> > > >
> > > > Barber, Christopher  schrieb am So.,
> 2.
> > > > Sep.
> > > > 2018, 18:56:
> > > >
> > > > > FWIW, my company is only beginning to transition to Windows 10 now,
> > and
> > > > my
> > > > > past experience would lead me to believe that many enterprises
> stick
> > > with
> > > > > old versions of Windows long past when you think they would.
> > > > >
> > > > > Seems to me that if you are unwilling to deprecate python 2.7, then
> > > > > continuing to support Windows 7 is a no-brainer. You are more
> likely
> > to
> > > > get
> > > > > users to switch to python 3 than you are to get them to install a
> new
> > > > > operating system.
> > > > >
> > > > > And do you really want to drop support for platforms that your
> > > > competitors
> > > > > still support? Given MXNet's market share, I wouldn't dream of
> > > dropping a
> > > > > platform until after the more popular frameworks have already done
> > so.
> > > > >
> > > > > I also believe that it is possible to install more recent versions
> of
> > > > > Visual Studio on Windows 7.
> > > > >
> > > > > On 9/2/18, 1:57 AM, "kellen sunderland" <
> > kellen.sunderl...@gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Google analytics are sadly probably the best numbers we're
> going
> > to
> > > > > get.
> > > > > Of course these numbers are likely to over-represent windows
> > usage,
> > > > as
> > > > > I'm
> > > > > sure many people are looking up documentation on a windows
> > machine
> > > > > while
> > > > > ssh'd into a cloud instance or IoT device.
> > > > >
> > > > > What's the trend over time for these numbers Mu?  Is Windows 7
> > > usage
> > > > > relatively stable over the last year?
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sun, Sep 2, 2018 at 1:58 AM Mu Li 
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > According to google analytics, ~12% users who visited mxnet's
> > > > > website are
> > > > > > using Windows 7. It's a significant number. Even though we
> > cannot
> > > > > conclude
> > > > > > that all of these users will run MXNet on Windows 7, I
> suggest
> > we
> > > > > still
> > > > > > support win7.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > BTW, anyone who can access mxnet's google analytics report
> can
> > > > > verify this
> > > > > > number by following this instruction:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > https://stackoverflow.com/questions/1340778/detecting-
> > > > windows-7-with-google-analytics
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Sat, Sep 1, 2018 at 1:55 PM 

Re: Propose to discontinue supporting Apache MXNet on Windows 7

2018-09-03 Thread Timur Shenkao
Users live like you described: install mxnet, then import fails, switch to
TF or Pytorch and forget mxnet forever.

Only very stubborn users spend time in loop: compiling / building wheel /
conda package on external machine, copy to destination machine, fail with
some dependency error, etc. Until patience is lost or something workable is
created.

On Monday, September 3, 2018, Lin Yuan  wrote:

> Thanks for all the constructive discussions. I have a few thoughts on this
> topic:
>
> When we say we support a particular platform X, I suppose it means the
> following processes in production:
>
> 1) Active developer support, the minimum of which is a clear instruction to
> build from source on X.
> 2) Thorough test in each release/patch on X.
> 3) Continuous integration on X
>
> It seems today we are missing all of them for Windows 7 (correct me if I am
> wrong). I have found issues opened over 9 months ago #9271
>  which fails simply
> by importing mxnet and exiting on Windows 7. Thus, I am wondering how many
> users are actually running MXNet on Windows 7 for meaningful work. How did
> live by with such an obvious blocker.
>
> If we do have a large active user base to support, we then should dedicate
> resource to implement the above three items in order to claim that we
> support Windows 7. After all, maybe we should change the thread topic to
> "Should we start supporting Windows 7 again?" :)
>
> I really appreciate your valuable comments. Have a great labor day weekend!
>
> Lin
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 2, 2018 at 12:37 PM Timur Shenkao  wrote:
>
> > >> I also believe that it is possible to install more recent >> versions
> of
> > Visual Studio on Windows 7.
> >
> > It's about security reasons and AD permissions and bought licenses for
> VS,
> > not about general technical impossibility of installation of up-to-date
> > versions.
> >
> > On Sunday, September 2, 2018, Marco de Abreu
> >  wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks for the data and these quite important points. I agree and
> hereby
> > > change my vote to -1.
> > >
> > > Barber, Christopher  schrieb am So., 2.
> > > Sep.
> > > 2018, 18:56:
> > >
> > > > FWIW, my company is only beginning to transition to Windows 10 now,
> and
> > > my
> > > > past experience would lead me to believe that many enterprises stick
> > with
> > > > old versions of Windows long past when you think they would.
> > > >
> > > > Seems to me that if you are unwilling to deprecate python 2.7, then
> > > > continuing to support Windows 7 is a no-brainer. You are more likely
> to
> > > get
> > > > users to switch to python 3 than you are to get them to install a new
> > > > operating system.
> > > >
> > > > And do you really want to drop support for platforms that your
> > > competitors
> > > > still support? Given MXNet's market share, I wouldn't dream of
> > dropping a
> > > > platform until after the more popular frameworks have already done
> so.
> > > >
> > > > I also believe that it is possible to install more recent versions of
> > > > Visual Studio on Windows 7.
> > > >
> > > > On 9/2/18, 1:57 AM, "kellen sunderland" <
> kellen.sunderl...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Google analytics are sadly probably the best numbers we're going
> to
> > > > get.
> > > > Of course these numbers are likely to over-represent windows
> usage,
> > > as
> > > > I'm
> > > > sure many people are looking up documentation on a windows
> machine
> > > > while
> > > > ssh'd into a cloud instance or IoT device.
> > > >
> > > > What's the trend over time for these numbers Mu?  Is Windows 7
> > usage
> > > > relatively stable over the last year?
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Sep 2, 2018 at 1:58 AM Mu Li  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > According to google analytics, ~12% users who visited mxnet's
> > > > website are
> > > > > using Windows 7. It's a significant number. Even though we
> cannot
> > > > conclude
> > > > > that all of these users will run MXNet on Windows 7, I suggest
> we
> > > > still
> > > > > support win7.
> > > > >
> > > > > BTW, anyone who can access mxnet's google analytics report can
> > > > verify this
> > > > > number by following this instruction:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > https://stackoverflow.com/questions/1340778/detecting-
> > > windows-7-with-google-analytics
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sat, Sep 1, 2018 at 1:55 PM Steffen Rochel <
> > > > steffenroc...@gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I support a data driven decision. Any suggestions how we can
> > > obtain
> > > > > insight
> > > > > > about OS usage of the MXNet user community?
> > > > > > Can we get such information from pip install statistics or
> > should
> > > > we
> > > > > > perform a user poll on the discussion forum?
> > > > > > On the other hand the lack of data should not prevent us from
> > > > moving
> > > > > > forward and 

Re: Propose to discontinue supporting Apache MXNet on Windows 7

2018-09-03 Thread Lin Yuan
Thanks for all the constructive discussions. I have a few thoughts on this
topic:

When we say we support a particular platform X, I suppose it means the
following processes in production:

1) Active developer support, the minimum of which is a clear instruction to
build from source on X.
2) Thorough test in each release/patch on X.
3) Continuous integration on X

It seems today we are missing all of them for Windows 7 (correct me if I am
wrong). I have found issues opened over 9 months ago #9271
 which fails simply
by importing mxnet and exiting on Windows 7. Thus, I am wondering how many
users are actually running MXNet on Windows 7 for meaningful work. How did
live by with such an obvious blocker.

If we do have a large active user base to support, we then should dedicate
resource to implement the above three items in order to claim that we
support Windows 7. After all, maybe we should change the thread topic to
"Should we start supporting Windows 7 again?" :)

I really appreciate your valuable comments. Have a great labor day weekend!

Lin


On Sun, Sep 2, 2018 at 12:37 PM Timur Shenkao  wrote:

> >> I also believe that it is possible to install more recent >> versions of
> Visual Studio on Windows 7.
>
> It's about security reasons and AD permissions and bought licenses for VS,
> not about general technical impossibility of installation of up-to-date
> versions.
>
> On Sunday, September 2, 2018, Marco de Abreu
>  wrote:
>
> > Thanks for the data and these quite important points. I agree and hereby
> > change my vote to -1.
> >
> > Barber, Christopher  schrieb am So., 2.
> > Sep.
> > 2018, 18:56:
> >
> > > FWIW, my company is only beginning to transition to Windows 10 now, and
> > my
> > > past experience would lead me to believe that many enterprises stick
> with
> > > old versions of Windows long past when you think they would.
> > >
> > > Seems to me that if you are unwilling to deprecate python 2.7, then
> > > continuing to support Windows 7 is a no-brainer. You are more likely to
> > get
> > > users to switch to python 3 than you are to get them to install a new
> > > operating system.
> > >
> > > And do you really want to drop support for platforms that your
> > competitors
> > > still support? Given MXNet's market share, I wouldn't dream of
> dropping a
> > > platform until after the more popular frameworks have already done so.
> > >
> > > I also believe that it is possible to install more recent versions of
> > > Visual Studio on Windows 7.
> > >
> > > On 9/2/18, 1:57 AM, "kellen sunderland" 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > Google analytics are sadly probably the best numbers we're going to
> > > get.
> > > Of course these numbers are likely to over-represent windows usage,
> > as
> > > I'm
> > > sure many people are looking up documentation on a windows machine
> > > while
> > > ssh'd into a cloud instance or IoT device.
> > >
> > > What's the trend over time for these numbers Mu?  Is Windows 7
> usage
> > > relatively stable over the last year?
> > >
> > > On Sun, Sep 2, 2018 at 1:58 AM Mu Li  wrote:
> > >
> > > > According to google analytics, ~12% users who visited mxnet's
> > > website are
> > > > using Windows 7. It's a significant number. Even though we cannot
> > > conclude
> > > > that all of these users will run MXNet on Windows 7, I suggest we
> > > still
> > > > support win7.
> > > >
> > > > BTW, anyone who can access mxnet's google analytics report can
> > > verify this
> > > > number by following this instruction:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > https://stackoverflow.com/questions/1340778/detecting-
> > windows-7-with-google-analytics
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Sep 1, 2018 at 1:55 PM Steffen Rochel <
> > > steffenroc...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I support a data driven decision. Any suggestions how we can
> > obtain
> > > > insight
> > > > > about OS usage of the MXNet user community?
> > > > > Can we get such information from pip install statistics or
> should
> > > we
> > > > > perform a user poll on the discussion forum?
> > > > > On the other hand the lack of data should not prevent us from
> > > moving
> > > > > forward and dropping support for outdated OS.
> > > > > In any case we would have to announce dropping a platform
> support
> > > at
> > > > least
> > > > > a release in advance.
> > > > > Steffen
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 12:21 PM Sheng Zha <
> zhash...@apache.org>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Kellen,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks for the explanation. Unfortunately, I don't have the
> > > usage data,
> > > > > so
> > > > > > I refrained from voting. If any of the voters have such data
> > I'd
> > > love
> > > > to
> > > > > > see it too.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -sz
> > > > > >
> > > >