Re: Adding new language support using LSP

2020-12-03 Thread Mario Schroeder
Hi, I'm also very interested. If there is no tutorial yet, then this is the best time to create one. @Oliver I had a glimpse at the students project. Then NetBeans Plugin seems to use ANTLR. Just out of curiosity: Do you know from where the student got the inspiration for the source code? Kind r

Re: Question to Clarify Understanding with the DataFolder and FileObject

2020-12-03 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
The fact that the ActionListener takes an Object as an argument means that the annotations at the top of the class (or in the layer.xml file) will generate a context-sensitive Action that is sensitive to the Object in the argument. The Action will be enabled when the Object is available, i.e., in c

AW: Adding new language support using LSP

2020-12-03 Thread Christian Lenz
Hey all, please have a look here: https://blogs.apache.org/netbeans/entry/lsp-client-demo-ba-sh hope it helps :) Cheers Chris Von: Mario Schroeder Gesendet: Donnerstag, 3. Dezember 2020 09:07 An: dev@netbeans.apache.org Betreff: Re: Adding new language support using LSP H

Re: Question to Clarify Understanding with the DataFolder and FileObject

2020-12-03 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
Next, since the Object in your scenario is a DataFolder, when a folder is selected, the Action is automatically enabled because the folder has a DataFolder built into its Lookup. Now that the Action is enabled, you have the DataFolder available in the constructor and can refer to it and use it and

VSNetBeans, future of NetBeans and personal words

2020-12-03 Thread Christian Lenz
Hey all, To all the LSP devs here and to the devs of the VSNetBeans plugin for VS Code, how will NetBeans get a benefit from the VS Code extension and the work of the LSP Client or implementation? Or is it just to give some stuff to another IDE as a support? What is the purpose of extending VS

Re: VSNetBeans, future of NetBeans and personal words

2020-12-03 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
Yes, the NetBeans project is a lot more than NetBeans itself. :-) Welcome to the Apache world, where the organizations that work on a project do whatever they find important. I think it's great that the Java editor and other Java related tools are going to be used in VS Code, just like so many ot

Re: VSNetBeans, future of NetBeans and personal words

2020-12-03 Thread Brain Rebooting
It is a good article, if used in that way. But who will do everything. For that purpose, you need a dedicated group of people. Which is now not possible for open source project like netbeans. But still, it has the chance to be, one of the greatest one. It has almost everything to do Development in

Re: VSNetBeans, future of NetBeans and personal words

2020-12-03 Thread Neil C Smith
On Thu, 3 Dec 2020 at 09:37, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > I think it's great that the Java editor and other Java related tools are > going to be used in VS Code, just like so many other parts of NetBeans are > used in all kinds of other tools too. +1 I think the more we move to be a suite of devel

AW: VSNetBeans, future of NetBeans and personal words

2020-12-03 Thread Christian Lenz
Hey, I wrote from a different mail so sry for the confusion. Geertjan: ➢ just like so many other parts of NetBeans are used in all kinds of other tools too. Please tell me, what the parts are that you mean? And I don’t mean platform applications that are based on NetBeans. I mean stuff that w

Re: VSNetBeans, future of NetBeans and personal words

2020-12-03 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
The NetBeans window system is in JDeveloper, just like the Profiler and the Matisse GUI Builder. And now the Java editor and debugger are in VS Code. Be happy, we're sharing NetBeans love everywhere, increasing usage of our tools and APIs, and enabling feedback coming back to the NetBeans project

AW: VSNetBeans, future of NetBeans and personal words

2020-12-03 Thread Christian Lenz
No I’m not happy with that. We are not a sect to act like that. Again there is no Innovation directly coming from NetBeans where developers say: Wow this is why NetBeans is great. It is just, yeah another IDE has this. I will send you the last what’s new in IntelliJ and WebStorm. https://www.je

Re: VSNetBeans, future of NetBeans and personal words

2020-12-03 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
Indeed, we'd be a sect if we'd just focus on ourselves. It's because we're not a sect that we share our tools and technologies with others. You need to remember that we're an Apache project now, e.g., we use mailing lists (not Slack) and we let people do with NetBeans whatever they want to do with

Re: VSNetBeans, future of NetBeans and personal words

2020-12-03 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
PS: It sounds like your contribution to NetBeans is going to be to kick off a discussion about the roadmap and where we want to see NetBeans in the next 5 or 10 years. You're very welcome to start a new thread anytime on that topic. On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 12:02 PM Geertjan Wielenga < geertjan.wiel

AW: VSNetBeans, future of NetBeans and personal words

2020-12-03 Thread Christian Lenz
And nevertheless we avoid people contribute to NetBeans by discussing everything to death. And also we as apache need a plan, a vision etc. for sure a lot of people have different thoughts and to add it here it is our responsibility for NetBeans to come together to discuss topics, big pictures

Re: VSNetBeans, future of NetBeans and personal words

2020-12-03 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
There's actually a lot of people contributing to NetBeans, and most of them are not from Oracle: https://github.com/apache/netbeans/graphs/contributors The majority of contributors simply contribute. They don't discuss, to death or otherwise. :-) Gj On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 12:08 PM Christian Lenz

Re: VSNetBeans, future of NetBeans and personal words

2020-12-03 Thread Brain Rebooting
I realizes how it feels for you @lenz. I myself felt that, if there were autocompletion support for netbeans sql editor, if react native support for netbeans, if there was a java decompiler for netbeans and so on. But who will do that?😜 Now I am just learning and have ambition, one day, if no one

Re: VSNetBeans, future of NetBeans and personal words

2020-12-03 Thread Brain Rebooting
But from my little mind, what I understand that, Apache Netbeans is the only true open source IDE. Because, Eclipse is belongs to IBM and they funded it occasionally or they have a budget. Jetbrians Community edition IDEs like intellij Community or pycharm community are just a pseudo open source I

Re: VSNetBeans, future of NetBeans and personal words

2020-12-03 Thread Brain Rebooting
I have a suggestion (I don't know should I do it or not). But, you people can change your website content style and refer what specific technology it supports. Like, netbeans now support angular, react, node, express, spring, spring web MVC, Spring Boot, Gluon, Jakarta EE, MySql, Postgresql, Oracle

Re: VSNetBeans, future of NetBeans and personal words

2020-12-03 Thread Brain Rebooting
Debugger, profiler, testing tools, version control tools, container technology like docker, server deployment tools, cloud related tools, continuous integration related tools, by default or integrated webkit browser and so on. Means , End to End development with netbeans, is a kind of title you may

Re: VSNetBeans, future of NetBeans and personal words

2020-12-03 Thread Neil C Smith
On Thu, 3 Dec 2020 at 11:08, Christian Lenz wrote: > And nevertheless we avoid people contribute to NetBeans by discussing > everything to death. And also we as apache need a plan, a vision etc. for > sure a lot of people have different thoughts and to add it here it is our > responsibility for

Re: VSNetBeans, future of NetBeans and personal words

2020-12-03 Thread Randamuna Namae
> The Problem is we can’t add everything to NetBeans as a 3rd Party Plugin, because most of the API that we need, is not public as it is for Java. For example tokens for all the other languages except from Java. And yes I can give you a lot of examples for that too. I tried it often. And if the API

Re: Adding new language support using LSP

2020-12-03 Thread Randamuna Namae
I'm working on the same thing, I suggest you take a look at the recent thread "Question on LSP client". I'm open to working together to improve the necessary bits in the core modules to get this going. Cheers. On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 5:32 AM Christian Lenz wrote: > Hey all, > > please have a lo

[VOTE] Apache NetBeans utilities nbm-maven-plugin 4.6

2020-12-03 Thread Eric Barboni
Dear members of Apache NetBeans community. I want to call a vote on releasing Apache NetBeans utilities nbm-maven-plugin version 4.6. nbm-maven-plugin is an Apache Maven plugin that make possible to use Maven for developing Apache NetBeans Platform instead of Apache Ant Changes since

Re: Question to Clarify Understanding with the DataFolder and FileObject

2020-12-03 Thread Sean Carrick
Gj, Thank you very much! I may not have explained myself well, but it seems that I was understanding what was happening, for the most part. Your clarification helps me out greatly and I appreciate it very much. Have a fantastic day, along with everyone else on the list. Sean C. On 12/3/20 2

Re: Plugin verification

2020-12-03 Thread Alessandro
Hi all, is this the right mailing list to discuss plugin portal issues? Regards, *--* *Alessandro Falappa* Il giorno dom 29 nov 2020 alle ore 13:16 Alessandro ha scritto: > Hi all, > while testing the recently released NetBeans 12.2 Linux installer I > noticed that in NB12.2 the older versi

Re: Plugin verification

2020-12-03 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
Yes, though pinged some people who might be able to help. Gj On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 4:43 PM Alessandro wrote: > Hi all, > is this the right mailing list to discuss plugin portal issues? > > Regards, > *--* > *Alessandro Falappa* > > > Il giorno dom 29 nov 2020 alle ore 13:16 Alessandro < > ale

Re: VSNetBeans, future of NetBeans and personal words

2020-12-03 Thread Laszlo Kishalmi
Just create a PR where you find that friend packages are blocking you. We are not fond of the friend packages any more, though make everything public at once is not in our intent. So we are doing opening up when there is a need. On 12/3/20 4:57 AM, Randamuna Namae wrote: The Problem is we ca

RE: VSNetBeans, future of NetBeans and personal words

2020-12-03 Thread Eirik Bakke
> https://www.jetbrains.com/idea/whatsnew/ Here is a slightly different perspective. Successful applications that have been around for more than 15 years, such as Photoshop, Microsoft Word/Excel, GMail, or indeed the NetBeans IDE, are pretty much "feature complete", and do not need a lot of new

Re: Adding new language support using LSP

2020-12-03 Thread Oliver Rettig
> @Oliver I had a glimpse at the students project. Then NetBeans Plugin seems > to use ANTLR. Just out of curiosity: Do you know from where the student got > the inspiration for the source code? Yes, it is antlr-based and has its origin in the first for the sequence of student projects: https://g

Re: Adding new language support using LSP

2020-12-03 Thread Oliver Rettig
"Question on LSP client" https://lists.apache.org/list.html?dev@netbeans.apache.org:lte=1M:Question%20on%20LSP %20client Pullrequest: https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/2564 This step seems not to be completed. I do not understand what the problem with the automated test is. Maybe somebod

Re: [VOTE] Apache NetBeans utilities nbm-maven-plugin 4.6

2020-12-03 Thread Patrik Karlström
+1 But I have to admit that I'm not sure what to consider when voting. I used 4.6 as a drop in replacement for 4.5 in a couple of projects where I changed source & target from 11 to 15 and it worked fine. Thank you. Den tors 3 dec. 2020 kl 14:49 skrev Eric Barboni : > Dear members of Apache Net

Re: VSNetBeans, future of NetBeans and personal words

2020-12-03 Thread Jan Lahoda
Just a few mostly random comments. On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 10:27 AM Christian Lenz wrote: > Hey all, > > To all the LSP devs here and to the devs of the VSNetBeans plugin for VS > Code, how will NetBeans get a benefit from the VS Code extension and the > work of the LSP Client or implementation?

Re: Question to Clarify Understanding with the DataFolder and FileObject

2020-12-03 Thread Sean Carrick
Gj, Again, thank you for your gracious assistance. I do, however, have one more question about the DataFolder, DataObject, and the layer.xml file. If I were to create a section in the layer.xml file, when the save action is invoked, would that then create the folder on disk? Also, where o

Re: Adding new language support using LSP

2020-12-03 Thread Jan Lahoda
Hi, If you want to create a new plugin/module that would add a new language support using LSP, these are the things to consider I believe: -create a new NB module -create a new "File Type" (i.e. something that will recognize extensions and provide icon and actions for files with the extension). Th

Re: Question to Clarify Understanding with the DataFolder and FileObject

2020-12-03 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
It is a virtual folder, what you see in the layer file. The virtual folder is in the virtual filesystem of the NetBeans Platform. You will not see it anywhere on disk. Gj On Thu, 3 Dec 2020 at 23:28, Sean Carrick wrote: > Gj, > > Again, thank you for your gracious assistance. I do, however, hav

Re: Question to Clarify Understanding with the DataFolder and FileObject

2020-12-03 Thread Sean Carrick
Gj, Ok, so what I am understanding now is that the folder is virtual and *only* located within the confines of the Virtual Filesystem, within the layer.xml file. So far, I am with you on this. Now, if I provided an editor to the user to enter a new vehicle, for example, to include make, mode

Re: VSNetBeans, future of NetBeans and personal words

2020-12-03 Thread Laszlo Kishalmi
On 12/3/20 1:34 PM, Jan Lahoda wrote: Just a few mostly random comments. On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 10:27 AM Christian Lenz wrote: Hey all, To all the LSP devs here and to the devs of the VSNetBeans plugin for VS Code, how will NetBeans get a benefit from the VS Code extension and the work of

Re: Question to Clarify Understanding with the DataFolder and FileObject

2020-12-03 Thread Laszlo Kishalmi
On 12/3/20 3:17 PM, Sean Carrick wrote: Gj, Ok, so what I am understanding now is that the folder is virtual and *only* located within the confines of the Virtual Filesystem, within the layer.xml file. So far, I am with you on this. Now, if I provided an editor to the user to enter a new v

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache NetBeans-12.2 Mac OSX Installer

2020-12-03 Thread Laszlo Kishalmi
This one is out for more than 3 days. I think we can tally it up and proceed with the release. On 11/30/20 10:57 AM, John Mc wrote: Hi, We can vote for Apache NetBeans 12.2 Mac OSX installer. Primary voting artefact:

Re: VSNetBeans, future of NetBeans and personal words

2020-12-03 Thread Rahul Khandelwal
Hi All, I just read the whole email thread. Being an end user of netbeans for around 6 years now, I have to say I agree with @Christian that there is a huge lack of innovation from netbeans. Netbeans does have to catch up with intellij and VS code. IMHO taking a sideways route rather than catchin

Re: VSNetBeans, future of NetBeans and personal words

2020-12-03 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
It’s still quite a challenge to understand the meaning of being an Apache project. :-) Apache projects do not compete. They exist for those who want to use them and are developed by those who want to develop them. A proposal in an Apache project is a pull request. There is no IDE or editor that