Fix for remove surrounding code action...

[Alessandro]

Hi all,
  I have opened a PR to fix the hardcoded colors in the Java editor "Remove
Surrounding Code" action (Alt + Backspace):
https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/1926

The PR is beneficial for dark LAFs (see PR page for before/after
screenshots).

Would it be possible to have it reviewed and included in NB 11.3 next beta?

Regards,
Alex

Re: Update centers based on mirrors are a nightmare to support in an enterprise environment

[Laszlo Kishalmi]

I think the best way would be mirror the update center from one specific 
mirror (or might be even from the dist) internally in the corporation, 
then set up that one as an update center.


You might wrote a very minimal plugin to set that UC up for everyone if 
there are a lot of people involved.


On 2/5/20 12:00 PM, Neil C Smith wrote:

On Wed, 5 Feb 2020, 14:21 Peter Kovacs,  wrote:


The ASF publishes the releases at:

https://apache.org/dist/netbeans/

Maybe that is less of an issue?


That's an option, keeping in mind the limits here if there's a lot of
corporate use though  - https://www.apache.org/dev/infra-ban.html

Otherwise maybe local mirroring?

Best wishes,

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Re: Update centers based on mirrors are a nightmare to support in an enterprise environment

[Neil C Smith]

On Wed, 5 Feb 2020, 14:21 Peter Kovacs,  wrote:

> The ASF publishes the releases at:
>
> https://apache.org/dist/netbeans/
>
> Maybe that is less of an issue?
>

That's an option, keeping in mind the limits here if there's a lot of
corporate use though  - https://www.apache.org/dev/infra-ban.html

Otherwise maybe local mirroring?

Best wishes,

Neil

>

Re: [discuss] NetCAT 12.0 schedule

[Jiří Kovalský]

Thanks Neil & Josh! The build names were updated.

-Jirka

Dne 05. 02. 20 v 20:04 Neil C Smith napsal(a):

On Wed, 5 Feb 2020 at 00:21, Jiří Kovalský  wrote:

https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__cwiki.apache.org_confluence_display_NETBEANS_NetCAT=DwIFaQ=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4=pHq_Ewk5ncH0VQrgGFGDLkMugjQSz3igytZtRgeNRVI=UTyPuHlrOuurL30qRK8BQ5HeIKZzP5F7SK0yjDKWAqY=

If you have any feedback (both constructive or appreciative) I would
love to hear that.


A definitely constructive and appreciative +1!  Looks great.

Only change would be to use beta1, beta2, etc. rather than vc1, vc2.
The vc suffix is meant to be just for builds being voted on (voting
candidate), so only for the intended final build going through the May
12 vote.

Best wishes,

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Re: NetBeans language bundle

[Geertjan Wielenga]

Thanks.

Unzipped the l10n ZIP from the 3rd donation and pushed it into the new
repo, here it is now:

https://github.com/apache/netbeans-l10n

Gj


On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 11:30 AM Eric Barboni  wrote:

> Have fun!  (thanks selfserve)
>
> https://github.com/apache/netbeans-l10n
>
> Jobs done !! (orcish)
> Regards
> Eric
>
> -Message d'origine-
> De : Eric Barboni 
> Envoyé : mardi 4 février 2020 11:16
> À : dev@netbeans.apache.org
> Objet : RE: NetBeans language bundle
>
> Hi,
>  As per Infra and according to the answver,It's our duty, I'm doing it.
>
> Regards
> Eric
> -Message d'origine-
> De : Geertjan Wielenga  Envoyé : vendredi 31 janvier
> 2020 15:54 À : dev  Cc : Boris Heithecker <
> boris.heithec...@gmx.net> Objet : Re: NetBeans language bundle
>
> Created a new issue asking for a new repo below, please add your comments
> in support here:
>
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-19801
>
> Gj
>
> On Fri, Jan 31, 2020 at 3:36 PM Diego Silva  >
> wrote:
>
> > It is true.
> > For my part I also want to collaborate in the Spanish translation. We
> > previously did it in version 6.
> >
> > DS
> >
> > El jue., 30 ene. 2020 a las 14:42, Geertjan Wielenga
> > ( > >)
> > escribió:
> >
> > > It seems to me we should ask for a new repo, netbeans-l10n.
> > >
> > > Anyone with any thoughts either pro or con?
> > >
> > > Gj
> > >
> > > On Thu, 30 Jan 2020 at 20:37, Boris Heithecker
> > >  > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > The number of files is huge because for every language it contains
> > > hundreds
> > > > of translated Bundle files. We could merge only those languages
> > > > which
> > > have
> > > > been asked about on this list, but taking the german (de), spanish
> > (es),
> > > > japanese (ja) and swedish (sv) folders in the "src" subdirectory
> > > > would already amount to 26921 files and 109 MB.
> > > > Boris
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, 30 Jan 2020 at 19:14, Geertjan Wielenga
> > > > 
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > When you say "trusted person", you simply mean an Apache
> > > > > NetBeans committer.
> > > > >
> > > > > There's about 20,000 files in there -- or can you take a look in
> > > > > that
> > > ZIP
> > > > > file and maybe specify which parts are relevant to what you're
> > > > > doing
> > --
> > > > or
> > > > > do we need all the files, in which case we may want a new
> > > > > repository
> > > > after
> > > > > all.
> > > > >
> > > > > Gj
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 6:55 PM Boris Heithecker <
> > > > boris.heithec...@gmx.net>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Here is the initial PR:
> > > > https://github.com/apache/netbeans-tools/pull/26
> > > > >> After this, a "trusted person" is asked to unzip and merge
> > > > >> "netbeans-l10n.zip" into the new "translations" folder.
> > > > >> Boris
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Wed, 22 Jan 2020 at 20:35, Geertjan Wielenga <
> > geert...@apache.org>
> > > > >> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > Great!
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Gj
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > On Wed, 22 Jan 2020 at 20:08, Boris Heithecker <
> > > > >> boris.heithec...@gmx.net>
> > > > >> > wrote:
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >> We can also put the whole donation as it is within one
> > > > >> >> folder and
> > > > then
> > > > >> >> move
> > > > >> >> the parts to the corresponding modules piece by piece. I
> > > > >> >> hope I
> > can
> > > > do
> > > > >> the
> > > > >> >> first steps on Friday or Saturday.
> > > > >> >> Boris
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> On Wed, 22 Jan 2020 at 12:40, Geertjan Wielenga <
> > > geert...@apache.org
> > > > >
> > > > >> >> wrote:
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> > That makes sense. But do we need them to be in modules or
> > simply
> > > > >> exactly
> > > > >> >> > as they are from the donation within one folder in the
> > > > netbeans-tools
> > > > >> >> repo?
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> > Gj
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> > On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 12:23 PM Boris Heithecker <
> > > > >> >> > boris.heithec...@gmx.net> wrote:
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> >> Okay, I'm again where I was 6 months ago...
> > > > >> >> >> Of course, the files I integrate into my module have been
> > > changed,
> > > > >> so
> > > > >> >> they
> > > > >> >> >> can't be moved as such to an Apache repository. If
> > verification
> > > is
> > > > >> >> >> crucial,
> > > > >> >> >> I suggest to proceed as follows:
> > > > >> >> >> I'll remove the donated files from my module and submit
> > > > >> >> >> only a
> > > > >> module
> > > > >> >> >> stub.
> > > > >> >> >> Next, a trusted person should merge the german part of
> > > > >> >> >> the
> > > donated
> > > > >> >> files
> > > > >> >> >> into this stub. The following steps would be to rerun the
> > > adaption
> > > > >> and
> > > > >> >> >> license changing jobs, committing after each step. This
> > > > >> >> >> way
> > all
> > > > >> >> changes to
> > > > >> >> >> the original files would be transparent and the origins
> > > > >> >> >> remain
> > > > >> >> verifiable.
> > > > >> >> >> Boris
> > > 

Re: FOSDEM talk: "From Oracle to Apache: News from NetBeans Community"

[Ernie Rael]

On 2/5/2020 4:49 AM, Carl Mosca wrote:

I too used "Forte" a bit during my JBuilder days.  Brings back some good
memories.



I used both as well. jVi was first available on JBuilder.

-ernie

PS Has the Oracle DBMS tool fully migrated from JBuidler to NetBeans?



Carl

On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 7:36 AM Thomas Kellerer  wrote:


Geertjan Wielenga schrieb am 03.02.2020 um 14:54:

Several of us on the mailing list were at FOSDEM in Brussel yesterday
(Neil, Jan Lahoda, Martin Entlicher, Patrik Karlstrom) and it was a

pretty

good event -- I think we should treat FOSDEM as a place where we can get
together every year and share new insights etc around NetBeans.

One of the talks was by me, specifically about the state and direction of
NetBeans, it takes about 20 minutes, take a look here:

https://mirror.cyberbits.eu/fosdem/2020/UD2.119/fromoracleapache.webm

The short introduction to the history of NetBeans reminded me
that I started using NetBeans when it was still called "Forte for Java".

Which I actually found odd a the time, because DEC (Digital Equipment,
later acquired by Compaq)
also had a tool named Forté which was a distributed application server -
something completely different

Thomas



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Re: [discuss] NetCAT 12.0 schedule

[Neil C Smith]

On Wed, 5 Feb 2020 at 00:21, Jiří Kovalský  wrote:
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/NetCAT
>
> If you have any feedback (both constructive or appreciative) I would
> love to hear that.

A definitely constructive and appreciative +1!  Looks great.

Only change would be to use beta1, beta2, etc. rather than vc1, vc2.
The vc suffix is meant to be just for builds being voted on (voting
candidate), so only for the intended final build going through the May
12 vote.

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Neil

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Re: [discuss] NetCAT 12.0 schedule

[Josh Juneau]

Hi Jirka,

Thanks for putting this together.  I think the timeline looks good.


Josh Juneau
juneau...@gmail.com
http://jj-blogger.blogspot.com
https://www.apress.com/us/search?query=Juneau




On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 6:21 PM Jiří Kovalský 
wrote:

> Hello NetBeans fans,
>
> as Geertjan correctly pointed out earlier this week it would be
> great if we try to prepare for NetCAT 12.0 program in advance including
> plan of action and review/creation of test specifications. I have taken
> into consideration my experience from coordinating NetCATs in the past
> and based on the overall NetBeans release schedule I come today with
> this NetCAT 12.0 timetable:
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/NetCAT
>
> If you have any feedback (both constructive or appreciative) I would
> love to hear that.
>
> Now heading to bed finally. :)
>
> -Jirka
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Re: Update centers based on mirrors are a nightmare to support in an enterprise environment

[Peter Kovacs]

The ASF publishes the releases at:

https://apache.org/dist/netbeans/

Maybe that is less of an issue?

On 05.02.20 14:50, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
> I'm not sure what the solution is.
>
> Gj
>
> On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 2:46 PM Jean-Marc Borer  wrote:
>
>> Any opinion here?
>>
>> For us, mirrors are just giving us headaches for plugins and updates...
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 2:55 PM Jean-Marc Borer  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi guys,
>>>
>>> This is bit of a complaint addressed to the NB infra community. When you
>>> are stuck behind corporate proxy that is very aggressively filtering web
>>> content, mirrors are a nightmare for you. In my case we need to whitelist
>>> every single server hosting java binaries otherwise we get empty files.
>> As
>>> such, it is not viable to declare every single mirror (the company won't
>>> accept that).
>>>
>>> So my request is: please for NB IDE updates and their core components,
>>> never ever use mirrors or provide an option to always point to the same
>>> mirrored site.
>>>
>>> This may sound silly, but is really an issue within enterprises and
>>> therefore prevent the adoption of NB IDE far more than the alternatives,
>>> which is really a pity...
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> JMB
>>>

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Re: Update centers based on mirrors are a nightmare to support in an enterprise environment

[Geertjan Wielenga]

I'm not sure what the solution is.

Gj

On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 2:46 PM Jean-Marc Borer  wrote:

> Any opinion here?
>
> For us, mirrors are just giving us headaches for plugins and updates...
>
> On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 2:55 PM Jean-Marc Borer  wrote:
>
> > Hi guys,
> >
> > This is bit of a complaint addressed to the NB infra community. When you
> > are stuck behind corporate proxy that is very aggressively filtering web
> > content, mirrors are a nightmare for you. In my case we need to whitelist
> > every single server hosting java binaries otherwise we get empty files.
> As
> > such, it is not viable to declare every single mirror (the company won't
> > accept that).
> >
> > So my request is: please for NB IDE updates and their core components,
> > never ever use mirrors or provide an option to always point to the same
> > mirrored site.
> >
> > This may sound silly, but is really an issue within enterprises and
> > therefore prevent the adoption of NB IDE far more than the alternatives,
> > which is really a pity...
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > JMB
> >
>

Re: Update centers based on mirrors are a nightmare to support in an enterprise environment

[Jean-Marc Borer]

Any opinion here?

For us, mirrors are just giving us headaches for plugins and updates...

On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 2:55 PM Jean-Marc Borer  wrote:

> Hi guys,
>
> This is bit of a complaint addressed to the NB infra community. When you
> are stuck behind corporate proxy that is very aggressively filtering web
> content, mirrors are a nightmare for you. In my case we need to whitelist
> every single server hosting java binaries otherwise we get empty files. As
> such, it is not viable to declare every single mirror (the company won't
> accept that).
>
> So my request is: please for NB IDE updates and their core components,
> never ever use mirrors or provide an option to always point to the same
> mirrored site.
>
> This may sound silly, but is really an issue within enterprises and
> therefore prevent the adoption of NB IDE far more than the alternatives,
> which is really a pity...
>
> Regards,
>
> JMB
>

Re: FOSDEM talk: "From Oracle to Apache: News from NetBeans Community"

[Neil C Smith]

Hi,

On Mon, 3 Feb 2020 at 13:54, Geertjan Wielenga  wrote:
> I think we should treat FOSDEM as a place where we can get
> together every year and share new insights etc around NetBeans.

+1

> One of the talks was by me, specifically about the state and direction of
> NetBeans

Is there a link to some of the resources you were using?  I might do a
NetBeans update for a local JUG in the near future, and I guess others
might be doing the same - be good to have a central place for useful
resources if we haven't already?

Best wishes,

Neil

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Re: FOSDEM talk: "From Oracle to Apache: News from NetBeans Community"

[Thomas Kellerer]

Geertjan Wielenga schrieb am 03.02.2020 um 14:54:
> Several of us on the mailing list were at FOSDEM in Brussel yesterday
> (Neil, Jan Lahoda, Martin Entlicher, Patrik Karlstrom) and it was a pretty
> good event -- I think we should treat FOSDEM as a place where we can get
> together every year and share new insights etc around NetBeans.
>
> One of the talks was by me, specifically about the state and direction of
> NetBeans, it takes about 20 minutes, take a look here:
>
> https://mirror.cyberbits.eu/fosdem/2020/UD2.119/fromoracleapache.webm

The short introduction to the history of NetBeans reminded me
that I started using NetBeans when it was still called "Forte for Java".

Which I actually found odd a the time, because DEC (Digital Equipment, later 
acquired by Compaq)
also had a tool named Forté which was a distributed application server - 
something completely different

Thomas



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Re: Apache NetBeans 11.3-beta2 available

[Neil C Smith]

On Fri, 31 Jan 2020 at 17:48, Eric Barboni  wrote:
> The second beta build for Apache NetBeans 11.3 is available. Rough delta to
> the first beta build:

Great job!  Just downloading to use now - bit late switching because
of FOSDEM.  In terms of delta to previous, I think it's also useful to
share the sync PR link as it has everything listed in it?

eg. https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/1903

Best wishes,

Neil

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