[DISCUSS] Experimental installers for 11.0

2019-04-05 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
Hi all, Reema has put the installers created from the installer sources in her pull request on Apache NetBeans GitHub in her repo: https://github.com/rtaneja1/incubator-netbeans/tree/installer-bin-11vc4/nbbuild/installer/binaries She also has a process whereby the installers can be generated as

AW: [DISCUSS] Experimental installers for 11.0

2019-04-05 Thread Christian Lenz
Hi, I’m fine with adding this with a comment that those installer are not official. One Issue here is, when I wanted to start the installer, Windows says again this message: https://ibb.co/2Nr8Q43. This happened also for NetBeans > 9. Until NetBeans 9, I didn’t have this Problem. So smth change

Re: [DISCUSS] Experimental installers for 11.0

2019-04-05 Thread Pete Whelpton
The smartscreen warning is mentioned in the Smartscreen wikipedia page, under criticism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_SmartScreen *SmartScreen Filter creates a problem for small software vendors when they distribute an updated version of installation or binary files over the internet.

AW: [DISCUSS] Experimental installers for 11.0

2019-04-05 Thread Christian Lenz
So signing is missing here, if I understand it correctly. Thx for the link Pete. Cheers Chris Von: Pete Whelpton Gesendet: Freitag, 5. April 2019 10:29 An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org Betreff: Re: [DISCUSS] Experimental installers for 11.0 The smartscreen warning is mentioned in the Sm

Re: [DISCUSS] Experimental installers for 11.0

2019-04-05 Thread Pete Whelpton
No worries :) My understanding (I'm 100% sure that this my understanding is correct) is that digital signing weights the algorithm more in favour of not displaying a warning, but the early adopters (first few people to download) may still get the warning until a sufficient level of "trust" has be

AW: [DISCUSS] Experimental installers for 11.0

2019-04-05 Thread Christian Lenz
Yes sure, I only wanted to say, that smth changed/smth is missing from using NetBeans > 9. So there where no problems with the old oracle NetBeans until 8.2 (Maybe they where signed correctly) and no problems with NetBeans 9. It started happening with NetBeans 10. But to end my discussion, I wil

Re: [DISCUSS] Experimental installers for 11.0

2019-04-05 Thread Tushar Joshi
I can see the binary files are committed and pushed to a code branch on github fork of NetBeans. In my opinion this is an anti-pattern and binary files shall not be committed to code repository (they add to the size of the repository). Ideally all binaries coming out of build process shall be part

Re: [DISCUSS] Experimental installers for 11.0

2019-04-05 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
NetBeans 9 did not have installers at all... Gj On Fri, 5 Apr 2019 at 11:08, Christian Lenz wrote: > Yes sure, I only wanted to say, that smth changed/smth is missing from > using NetBeans > 9. So there where no problems with the old oracle NetBeans > until 8.2 (Maybe they where signed correctl

Re: [DISCUSS] Experimental installers for 11.0

2019-04-05 Thread Wade Chandler
+1 link for now. Users! Users everywhere! :-) Wade On Fri, Apr 5, 2019, 03:54 Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > Hi all, > > Reema has put the installers created from the installer sources in her pull > request on Apache NetBeans GitHub in her repo: > > > https://github.com/rtaneja1/incubator-netbeans

Re: [DISCUSS] Experimental installers for 11.0

2019-04-05 Thread Tushar Joshi
> > explicitly linking to the above on the page below so long as we clear > state that these are not official Apache NetBeans installers, though that > they should be seen as experimental installers for the next release: > > https://netbeans.apache.org/download/nb110/nb110.html > > Do we agree with

Re: [DISCUSS] Experimental installers for 11.0

2019-04-05 Thread reema . taneja
Hi,  I will not be merging this branch to master, it is pushed to my fork only for hosting the binaries temporarily. Thanks, Reema On 05/04/19 3:28 PM, Tushar Joshi wrote: I can see the binary files are committed and pushed to a code branch on github fork of NetBeans. In my opinion this is a

Feedback: Release Management of Apache NetBeans (incubating) 11.0

2019-04-05 Thread Laszlo Kishalmi
Dear all, I would like to thank you to be able to be the Release Manager of Apache NetBeans 11.0! Thank you all, who contributed in this release either by code, documentation, advice, or shared opinion! This cycle started a bit sleepy, either due to the new year's duties or due to the exha

Re: Feedback: Release Management of Apache NetBeans (incubating) 11.0

2019-04-05 Thread Junichi Yamamoto
Thanks a lot for your great work, Laszlo!!! Junichi On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 8:23 PM Laszlo Kishalmi wrote: > > Dear all, > > I would like to thank you to be able to be the Release Manager of Apache > NetBeans 11.0! > > Thank you all, who contributed in this release either by code, > documentation

Re: Feedback: Release Management of Apache NetBeans (incubating) 11.0

2019-04-05 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
Yes, fantastic work, thank you very much! Gj On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 1:43 PM Junichi Yamamoto wrote: > Thanks a lot for your great work, Laszlo!!! > > Junichi > > On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 8:23 PM Laszlo Kishalmi > wrote: > > > > Dear all, > > > > I would like to thank you to be able to be the Rel

Re: [DISCUSS] Experimental installers for 11.0

2019-04-05 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
OK, added info about the installers as a tip on the Download page: https://netbeans.apache.org/download/nb110/nb110.html Gj On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 12:34 PM wrote: > Hi, I will not be merging this branch to master, it is pushed to my > fork only for hosting the binaries temporarily. > > Thanks

RE: [ANNOUNCE] Apache NetBeans (incubating) 11.0 released

2019-04-05 Thread Eric Barboni
Thanks a lot for the release!!! And ... maven artefacts are staging at https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/orgapachenetbeans-1013 for people wanting them. Regards Eric -Message d'origine- De : Antonio Envoyé : jeudi 4 avril 2019 22:39 À : dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.

Re: Feedback: Release Management of Apache NetBeans (incubating) 11.0

2019-04-05 Thread Pete Whelpton
Thank you very much Laszlo! Really appreciated! P On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 3:44 PM Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > Yes, fantastic work, thank you very much! > > Gj > > On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 1:43 PM Junichi Yamamoto > wrote: > > > Thanks a lot for your great work, Laszlo!!! > > > > Junichi > > > > O

Re: [DISCUSS] Experimental installers for 11.0

2019-04-05 Thread John Neffenger
On 4/5/19 7:51 AM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: OK, added info about the installers as a tip on the Download page: https://netbeans.apache.org/download/nb110/nb110.html Should we also mention the Snap package for Linux users? Apache NetBeans (incubating) https://snapcraft.io/netbeans It was real

Re: [ANNOUNCE] Apache NetBeans (incubating) 11.0 released

2019-04-05 Thread David Heffelfinger
Congrats all on the release, I installed it on my laptop and it's running beautifully. Great job, all! David On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 11:03 AM Eric Barboni wrote: > Thanks a lot for the release!!! > > And ... maven artefacts are staging at > https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/org

Re: [DISCUSS] Experimental installers for 11.0

2019-04-05 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
Yes and the difference there is that the Snap package is officially supported by Apache NetBeans. Maybe if that screenshot of Apache NetBeans 10 can be changed to 11.0, then we should definitely add it to the Downloads page. Again great work by Laszlo by the way. :-) Gj On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 5

RE: [MENTORS] Apache NetBeans maven artifacts groupId and process

2019-04-05 Thread Eric Barboni
Hi, I would notify that we have now Apache NetBeans (incubating) 11 maven artefacts https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/orgapachenetbeans-1013 and the 10 version here https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/orgapachenetbeans-1012 they are respectively build by Jen

Re: Feedback: Release Management of Apache NetBeans (incubating) 11.0

2019-04-05 Thread Antonio
Hi all, Thanks, Laszlo, for this great work. Regarding the release process [1], I think we could change steps 24 and 25. What we have now: 24. Update the WebSite for the new Release 25. Send out release announcement-s The proposal: 24. Prepare a PR with the website for the new Release and so

plugins.netbeans.org / netbeans.org

2019-04-05 Thread Antonio
Hi all, After the 11.0 release announcement, where we migrated most of bits.netbeans.org, shall we tackle the plugins.netbeans.org website and infrastructure for 12.0? Or is it too early? Also, what's missing in netbeans.apache.org that still exists in netbeans.org and we want to keep? I can

Re: plugins.netbeans.org / netbeans.org

2019-04-05 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
Here's the rough proposal: 1. Move all the plugins to Maven Central. Blockers: we don't know how to do that, if someone can advise, that will help. 2. Refactor the plugins.netbeans.org application so that (1) NBM files cannot be uploaded anymore and (2) instead of uploading, references need to be

Re: Releasing command line tool for running NetBeans Java Hints

2019-04-05 Thread Jan Lahoda
Getting back to this again. I guess I'd like to release this, based on the current content of the repository. Basically, the release would be artifacts like these: https://builds.apache.org/view/Incubator%20Projects/job/incubator-netbeans-jackpot-release/17/ Any objections? Thanks, Jan On T

Re: Releasing command line tool for running NetBeans Java Hints

2019-04-05 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
Most important would be how to use this -- i.e., this is a CLI for Apache NetBeans Java Hints. So, how to use it? Gj On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 9:09 PM Jan Lahoda wrote: > Getting back to this again. I guess I'd like to release this, based on the > current content of the repository. Basically, the

Re: Releasing command line tool for running NetBeans Java Hints

2019-04-05 Thread Jan Lahoda
The readme: https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-jackpot30/blob/master/cmdline/README.md says: --- Running Run using: $ jackpot To get help on the options, run: $ jackpot --help --- (Note it only runs on JDK 11/12.) Jan On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 9:19 PM Geertjan Wielenga wrote: >

Re: plugins.netbeans.org / netbeans.org

2019-04-05 Thread Antonio
Thanks for a fast reply. Some comments/ideas inlined below. El 05/04/2019 a las 20:31, Geertjan Wielenga escribió: Here's the rough proposal: 1. Move all the plugins to Maven Central. Blockers: we don't know how to do that, if someone can advise, that will help. A previous step would be defin

Re: Releasing command line tool for running NetBeans Java Hints

2019-04-05 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
Very cool. Would be nice to see some complete example command lines. Sure let’s vote and by the time the vote is done we could naybe skip IPMC vote because we’ll be out or nearly out of the incubator. Gj On Fri, 5 Apr 2019 at 21:34, Jan Lahoda wrote: > The readme: > > https://github.com/apach

Re: plugins.netbeans.org / netbeans.org

2019-04-05 Thread Brad Walker
I'm a newbie to the Netbeans community but this does sound reasonable to me. I'm particularly interested because of the C/C++ plugin source.. And if I can help with that one, I'm more than happy to put some effort into it. -brad w. On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 12:31 PM Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > Her

RE: Feedback: Release Management of Apache NetBeans (incubating) 11.0

2019-04-05 Thread Eirik Bakke
Hear, hear--thank you for the great work, Laszlo! Maybe the "Update titlebar version" issue ( https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-2111 for 11.0, with associated pull request as an example) should also be added to the release process list at https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBE

Re: plugins.netbeans.org / netbeans.org

2019-04-05 Thread arsi
Hi, Would not  be easier to allow plug-in developers to register their updates center "on the fly". We would do a git repository on github. There plug-in developer would add an xml file with a link, name, etc.,  to his update center via PR. The approval process would remain preserved... An

HiDPI/Retina improvements, confluence page

2019-04-05 Thread Eirik Bakke
There has been recurring discussions about making NetBeans look better on HiDPI (retina) screens. This is a large umbrella issue, touching all three major operating systems (Windows, Linux, and MacOS), with many subtasks involved. I have created a Confluence page which summarizes the current sta

NetBeans GUI icons, who drew them?

2019-04-05 Thread Eirik Bakke
There are over 3000 bitmap icon images in the NetBeans codebase. Probably at least several hundred of these are frequently seen by everyday NetBeans users. The page below shows all the unique "gif" or "png" files that existed in the NetBeans mercurial repo prior to the Apache transition: htps:/

netbeans launchers source code location

2019-04-05 Thread Gary Bello
Have noticed for some time that nb9, nb10, nb11 consider each version the same when trying to run one instance of nb9, nb10, or nb11 at same time. In other words. when running nb9 cannot run nb10 or nb11 when running nb10 cannot run nb9 or nb11 when running nb11 cannot run nb9 or nb10; For all p

Re: netbeans launchers source code location

2019-04-05 Thread Wade Chandler
Are you using the releases or something else like dev builds on your own? It sounds like you are using the same user directory. Wade On Fri, Apr 5, 2019, 19:27 Gary Bello wrote: > Have noticed for some time that nb9, nb10, nb11 consider each version the > same when trying to run one instance o

Re: netbeans launchers source code location

2019-04-05 Thread Wade Chandler
On Fri, Apr 5, 2019, 19:27 Gary Bello wrote: > > Wondering where the source code that causes this behavior is located ? > https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans/tree/master/nb/ide.launcher Wade

Re: plugins.netbeans.org / netbeans.org

2019-04-05 Thread Tushar Joshi
Regarding the plugin developers to register their plugins easily. I will propose the Homebrew model for registering plugins. This means maintaining the list of plugins as files in a github repository. This repository will be considered as the plugin registry. So the plugin developers will just

Re: Feedback: Release Management of Apache NetBeans (incubating) 11.0

2019-04-05 Thread Tushar Joshi
Thank you Laszlo, for the job done very well. You have set a god example for this process. with regards Tushar Tushar Joshi, Nagpur: http://www.tusharjoshi.com * MCSD_NET C#, SCJP, RHCE, ZCE, PMP, CSM, SAFe, PRINCE2 * Senior Architect @ Persistent Systems http://www.persistent.com * Linked

Re: NetBeans GUI icons, who drew them?

2019-04-05 Thread Wade Chandler
You're looking at nearly a couple decades of work. I doubt anyone could track down all names etc or even every single source. The best info would come from the hg logs is my guess. Wade On Fri, Apr 5, 2019, 19:09 Eirik Bakke wrote: > There are over 3000 bitmap icon images in the NetBeans codeba

Re: netbeans launchers source code location

2019-04-05 Thread Gary Bello
I am using the incubator netbeans release versions. each has etc/netbeans.conf configured with its own user dir, and cache dirs - all different i am running windows 10 64 bit,; yes - i do build from source - but these were downloaded apache release versions. anyone with multiple versions of netb

Re: netbeans launchers source code location

2019-04-05 Thread Gary Bello
Thanks for the location info. When netbeans refused to start there is no popup or error msg seen. It seems that any errors detected/reported by netbeans launcher do not appear in the netbeans log, ie S:\Sun\nb\userdir\9.0\var\log\messages.log Anyone know if there is a logfile that can be examined