Re: Does Travis and/or Jenkins run the NetBeans test suite?

2018-07-17 Thread Jaroslav Tulach
FYI:
https://builds.apache.org/job/incubator-netbeans-linux/
and
https://builds.apache.org/job/incubator-netbeans-windows
run platform tests.

-jt


Dne neděle 15. července 2018 18:47:51 CEST, Eirik Bakke napsal(a):
> When I make a pull request on GitHub, there is a nice little checkmark
> saying "All checks have passed", with a link to a Travis CI build (e.g.
> https://travis-ci.org/apache/incubator-netbeans/builds/395547620?utm_source
> =github_status_medium=notification ).
> 
> Looking at the raw output of the Travis build, am I correct that this does
> _not_ actually run the NetBeans test suite? I searched the console output
> and did not find expected messages such as "Tests run:" or "do-junit" or
> "[junit]".
> 
> Is this also the case for the Jenkins builds at
> https://builds.apache.org/view/Incubator%20Projects/job/incubator-netbeans-> 
> release ?
> 
> Is the current codebase supposed to pass all tests at this point? When I
> check out the 9.0-vc3 tag, for instance, both of the following fail with
> various errors:
> 
> ant commit-validation
> ant -Dtest-unit-sys-prop.ignore.random.failures=true test
> 
> Are these supposed to work?
> 
> -- Eirik





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Re: Public vs. Friend API?

2018-07-17 Thread Jaroslav Tulach
Dne sobota 14. července 2018 6:46:06 CEST, Tim Boudreau napsal(a):
> There are friend APIs in NetBeans that have not seen a single change in
> going on a decade.  All of those IMO, should simply get the "friend" label
> removed from them - if it hasn't changed in that long, it's clearly stable
> in every practical meaning of the word.  I'm just suggesting a way to make
> that automatic, 

Turn all current [Friend APIs](http://wiki.netbeans.org/API_Stability#Friend) 
into [Under development ones](http://wiki.netbeans.org/API_Stability#Devel).

Before you do the above change:
- [snapshot current APIs](http://wiki.netbeans.org/SignatureTest) of 9.0 
release
- make sure the build fails on an accidental change in such APIs

That's my 2 Kč suggestion.
-jt





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Re: Apache NetBeans Apress Book

2018-07-17 Thread Josh Juneau
I've just briefly touched base with Apress on the idea and the editor I spoke 
to sounds very interested.  He says that they can divide the book up amongst 
any number of authors, and also do bylines for each of the chapters so that the 
respective authors will be noted.  Typically in this situation there is one 
person who acts as the lead on the project.  That way the editors and project 
coordinators at Apress can work with the lead, rather than all of the separate 
authors.

Anyone interested in taking lead on the book?  If so then I can get you in 
touch with the editor and we can get the details of each author/chapter, etc. 
worked out.

Thanks

Josh Juneau
juneau...@gmail.com
http://jj-blogger.blogspot.com
https://www.apress.com/index.php/author/author/view/id/1866

> On Jul 17, 2018, at 3:40 AM, Delfi Ramirez  wrote:
> 
> +1 Huang Kai 
> 
> A wonder of myself to the community. Is there exist any intention or interest 
> to include JSF in the topics -- chapters, subchapters -- of the book?
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Delfi Ramirez
> 
> Segonquart Studio
> 
> https://segonquart.net
> 
> From: huang kai
> Sent: 17 July 2018 10:30
> To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Apache NetBeans Apress Book
> 
> Hi, all
> 
> I live in china and have been using netbeans for swing and java ee dev
> for about 10 years. I think I can help translate the book to chinese,
> let's make this great platform speading more faster.
> 
> cheers.
> 
> Kain Huang
> 
> 
>> On 7/16/2018 7:53 PM, Delfi Ramirez wrote:
>> Hi All:
>> 
>> Agreed there is the  need of a chapter-by-chapter community written book.
>> 
>> Count me in. Even if there is the need for the book, once written,  of a 
>> single translator for the whole community content. 
>> 
>> Even everyone of us has English as a mother tongue or second tongue, we may 
>> able to reach and target new markets and new loyal fellows in this world 
>> wide world we live in
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> 
>> Delfi Ramirez
>> 
>> Segonquart Studio
>> 
>> https://segonquart.net
>> 
>> From: Oliver Rettig
>> Sent: 16 July 2018 13:47
>> To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: Apache NetBeans Apress Book
>> 
>> Hi all, 
>> 
>> I like the idea of a  community-written book very much. This can encourage 
>> people to join 
>> our great community and it show that netbeans is now a apache project ... 
>> For me the 
>> community is one of the most important facts to work with netbeans and 
>> rarely with eclipse.
>> 
>> I have some experience with writing a book for Tomcat 5:
>> 
>> https://www.rheinwerk-verlag.de/tomcat-5_700/
>> 
>> and the most important thing I have learned from this book project is: 
>> better not to write 
>> such books alone.
>> 
>> It would be a pleasure for me to write a chapter for a community-written 
>> Netbeans book, or 
>> may be to translate from english to german some parts, if we want to have a 
>> german 
>> version.
>> 
>> But I have less experience in organzing such things. In scientific 
>> communities typically you 
>> have an editor or a small team of editors. Their job is often really a lot 
>> of work: to defines the 
>> chapters/articles, to find people who can write the articles and to push the 
>> authors to deliver 
>> in the timeline.
>> 
>> An other question is where and how to publish the book. My experience with 
>> the Tomcat 
>> book was that the publisher was a really great help in formatting and 
>> proofreading. And a 
>> publisher can be a very big help in invertising for apache netbeans.
>> 
>> But it should be also possible to write the book without a publisher at our 
>> own. In this case 
>> we can have an open-pdf-Version of the book. Maye we can have this too with 
>> a publisher?
>> 
>> best regards
>> Oliver
>> 
>> 
>>> I've been approached by Apress regarding interest in a book on Apache
>>> NetBeans.  I personally do not have enough time to devote to another book
>>> right now, so I wanted to send a note to the Apache NetBeans developer
>>> group to see if there are any developers interested in authoring a book
>>> (perhaps a collaborative effort).
>>> 
>>> I know things are very busy right now, and I've already told Apress that
>>> the main focus is the release of Apache NetBeans 9 right now, but maybe a
>>> book project could start this fall.  There are no timelines right
>>> now...just interest in a book on the new open Apache NetBeans IDE.
>>> 
>>> If anyone is interested then reply to this message and I can get a list of
>>> names together to send along to Apress.
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>> Josh Juneau
>>> juneau...@gmail.com
>>> http://jj-blogger.blogspot.com
>>> https://www.apress.com/index.php/author/author/view/id/1866
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 


Re: Apache NetBeans IDE 9.0 Community Acceptance Survey

2018-07-17 Thread Jiří Kovalský

Hi again,

   this is just a kind reminder about Community Acceptance survey for 
Apache NetBeans IDE 9.0 release. If you have not participated yet, 
please share with us your opinion on quality of the 9.0 Vote Candidate 3 
build.


   There is still some time but don't wait long as the survey closes in 
5 days on July 22nd!


Thanks a lot,
-Jirka

Dne 9.7.2018 v 17:35 Jiří Kovalský napsal(a):


Hello NetBeans community,

    Apache NetBeans IDE 9.0 Vote Candidate (VC) 3 [1] build has been 
published [1] and so the time for the final Community Acceptance survey 
[2] has come too. The essential purpose of this survey is to find out if 
NetBeans community accepts the latest VC build as ready for GA or not. 
Please note that this poll is not about Apache NetBeans IDE 9.0 sources 
but about its functionality and behavior.


    [1] 
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__dist.apache.org_repos_dist_dev_incubator_netbeans_incubating-2Dnetbeans-2Djava_incubating-2D9.0-2Dvc3_=DwIDBA=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4=urvPbe5P5r1WAGaek7eHIdTXlaIAIuT20nz4RJXPchI=4lhMdQk2p0q6vhsbt4cpQX0p8i5b_KX0UeeeRe2at2Y= 

    [2] 
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__goo.gl_forms_AaxLnkFeRwCTgj182=DwIDBA=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4=urvPbe5P5r1WAGaek7eHIdTXlaIAIuT20nz4RJXPchI=Zo7DFMLLXGLeg4XULL9I3ax0i9P7JQ6Ec2pml2pi65k= 



    This is a very important milestone of the release cycle so we turn 
to you - NetBeans users - with request for help. Please download this 
Vote Candidate, edit your Java sources, debug the code, try refactoring 
features, simply test your typical use cases and once you gain a solid 
opinion about the VC build please take this short survey. It will stay 
open until Sunday - July 22nd midnight last timezone. In spite of that 
please complete the survey as soon as you can.


Thanks for your cooperation and feedback!
--
Best regards,
Jiří Kovalský
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__netbeans.apache.org=DwIDBA=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4=urvPbe5P5r1WAGaek7eHIdTXlaIAIuT20nz4RJXPchI=Mb3dYXJ5EhWCxNA2u5LGN6YczNkC7mTqOGgDKpAhSjY= 



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Re: Apache NetBeans Apress Book

2018-07-17 Thread Peter Steele
Can someone link the current book to netbeans.apache.org? Would've good to
reference it in the documentation page and when /if the new book comes the
link can be updated.

On Tue, 17 Jul 2018 09:40 Delfi Ramirez,  wrote:

> +1 Huang Kai 
>
> A wonder of myself to the community. Is there exist any intention or
> interest to include JSF in the topics -- chapters, subchapters -- of the
> book?
>
> Cheers
>
> Delfi Ramirez
>
> Segonquart Studio
>
> https://segonquart.net
>
> From: huang kai
> Sent: 17 July 2018 10:30
> To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Apache NetBeans Apress Book
>
> Hi, all
>
> I live in china and have been using netbeans for swing and java ee dev
> for about 10 years. I think I can help translate the book to chinese,
> let's make this great platform speading more faster.
>
> cheers.
>
> Kain Huang
>
>
> On 7/16/2018 7:53 PM, Delfi Ramirez wrote:
> > Hi All:
> >
> > Agreed there is the  need of a chapter-by-chapter community written book.
> >
> > Count me in. Even if there is the need for the book, once written,  of a
> single translator for the whole community content.
> >
> > Even everyone of us has English as a mother tongue or second tongue, we
> may able to reach and target new markets and new loyal fellows in this
> world wide world we live in
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> >
> > Delfi Ramirez
> >
> > Segonquart Studio
> >
> > https://segonquart.net
> >
> > From: Oliver Rettig
> > Sent: 16 July 2018 13:47
> > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: Apache NetBeans Apress Book
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I like the idea of a  community-written book very much. This can
> encourage people to join
> > our great community and it show that netbeans is now a apache project
> ... For me the
> > community is one of the most important facts to work with netbeans and
> rarely with eclipse.
> >
> > I have some experience with writing a book for Tomcat 5:
> >
> > https://www.rheinwerk-verlag.de/tomcat-5_700/
> >
> > and the most important thing I have learned from this book project is:
> better not to write
> > such books alone.
> >
> > It would be a pleasure for me to write a chapter for a community-written
> Netbeans book, or
> > may be to translate from english to german some parts, if we want to
> have a german
> > version.
> >
> > But I have less experience in organzing such things. In scientific
> communities typically you
> > have an editor or a small team of editors. Their job is often really a
> lot of work: to defines the
> > chapters/articles, to find people who can write the articles and to push
> the authors to deliver
> > in the timeline.
> >
> > An other question is where and how to publish the book. My experience
> with the Tomcat
> > book was that the publisher was a really great help in formatting and
> proofreading. And a
> > publisher can be a very big help in invertising for apache netbeans.
> >
> > But it should be also possible to write the book without a publisher at
> our own. In this case
> > we can have an open-pdf-Version of the book. Maye we can have this too
> with a publisher?
> >
> > best regards
> > Oliver
> >
> >
> >> I've been approached by Apress regarding interest in a book on Apache
> >> NetBeans.  I personally do not have enough time to devote to another
> book
> >> right now, so I wanted to send a note to the Apache NetBeans developer
> >> group to see if there are any developers interested in authoring a book
> >> (perhaps a collaborative effort).
> >>
> >> I know things are very busy right now, and I've already told Apress that
> >> the main focus is the release of Apache NetBeans 9 right now, but maybe
> a
> >> book project could start this fall.  There are no timelines right
> >> now...just interest in a book on the new open Apache NetBeans IDE.
> >>
> >> If anyone is interested then reply to this message and I can get a list
> of
> >> names together to send along to Apress.
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >>
> >> Josh Juneau
> >> juneau...@gmail.com
> >> http://jj-blogger.blogspot.com
> >> https://www.apress.com/index.php/author/author/view/id/1866
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>


RE: Apache NetBeans Apress Book

2018-07-17 Thread Delfi Ramirez
+1 Huang Kai 

A wonder of myself to the community. Is there exist any intention or interest 
to include JSF in the topics -- chapters, subchapters -- of the book?

Cheers

Delfi Ramirez

Segonquart Studio

https://segonquart.net

From: huang kai
Sent: 17 July 2018 10:30
To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Apache NetBeans Apress Book

Hi, all

I live in china and have been using netbeans for swing and java ee dev
for about 10 years. I think I can help translate the book to chinese,
let's make this great platform speading more faster.

cheers.

Kain Huang


On 7/16/2018 7:53 PM, Delfi Ramirez wrote:
> Hi All:
>
> Agreed there is the  need of a chapter-by-chapter community written book.
>
> Count me in. Even if there is the need for the book, once written,  of a 
> single translator for the whole community content. 
>
> Even everyone of us has English as a mother tongue or second tongue, we may 
> able to reach and target new markets and new loyal fellows in this world wide 
> world we live in
>
> Cheers
>
>
> Delfi Ramirez
>
> Segonquart Studio
>
> https://segonquart.net
>
> From: Oliver Rettig
> Sent: 16 July 2018 13:47
> To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Apache NetBeans Apress Book
>
> Hi all, 
>
> I like the idea of a  community-written book very much. This can encourage 
> people to join 
> our great community and it show that netbeans is now a apache project ... For 
> me the 
> community is one of the most important facts to work with netbeans and rarely 
> with eclipse.
>
> I have some experience with writing a book for Tomcat 5:
>
> https://www.rheinwerk-verlag.de/tomcat-5_700/
>
> and the most important thing I have learned from this book project is: better 
> not to write 
> such books alone.
>
> It would be a pleasure for me to write a chapter for a community-written 
> Netbeans book, or 
> may be to translate from english to german some parts, if we want to have a 
> german 
> version.
>
> But I have less experience in organzing such things. In scientific 
> communities typically you 
> have an editor or a small team of editors. Their job is often really a lot of 
> work: to defines the 
> chapters/articles, to find people who can write the articles and to push the 
> authors to deliver 
> in the timeline.
>
> An other question is where and how to publish the book. My experience with 
> the Tomcat 
> book was that the publisher was a really great help in formatting and 
> proofreading. And a 
> publisher can be a very big help in invertising for apache netbeans.
>
> But it should be also possible to write the book without a publisher at our 
> own. In this case 
> we can have an open-pdf-Version of the book. Maye we can have this too with a 
> publisher?
>
> best regards
> Oliver
>
>
>> I've been approached by Apress regarding interest in a book on Apache
>> NetBeans.  I personally do not have enough time to devote to another book
>> right now, so I wanted to send a note to the Apache NetBeans developer
>> group to see if there are any developers interested in authoring a book
>> (perhaps a collaborative effort).
>>
>> I know things are very busy right now, and I've already told Apress that
>> the main focus is the release of Apache NetBeans 9 right now, but maybe a
>> book project could start this fall.  There are no timelines right
>> now...just interest in a book on the new open Apache NetBeans IDE.
>>
>> If anyone is interested then reply to this message and I can get a list of
>> names together to send along to Apress.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Josh Juneau
>> juneau...@gmail.com
>> http://jj-blogger.blogspot.com
>> https://www.apress.com/index.php/author/author/view/id/1866
>
>
>




Re: Apache NetBeans Apress Book

2018-07-17 Thread huang kai
Hi, all

I live in china and have been using netbeans for swing and java ee dev
for about 10 years. I think I can help translate the book to chinese,
let's make this great platform speading more faster.

cheers.

Kain Huang


On 7/16/2018 7:53 PM, Delfi Ramirez wrote:
> Hi All:
>
> Agreed there is the  need of a chapter-by-chapter community written book.
>
> Count me in. Even if there is the need for the book, once written,  of a 
> single translator for the whole community content. 
>
> Even everyone of us has English as a mother tongue or second tongue, we may 
> able to reach and target new markets and new loyal fellows in this world wide 
> world we live in
>
> Cheers
>
>
> Delfi Ramirez
>
> Segonquart Studio
>
> https://segonquart.net
>
> From: Oliver Rettig
> Sent: 16 July 2018 13:47
> To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Apache NetBeans Apress Book
>
> Hi all, 
>
> I like the idea of a  community-written book very much. This can encourage 
> people to join 
> our great community and it show that netbeans is now a apache project ... For 
> me the 
> community is one of the most important facts to work with netbeans and rarely 
> with eclipse.
>
> I have some experience with writing a book for Tomcat 5:
>
> https://www.rheinwerk-verlag.de/tomcat-5_700/
>
> and the most important thing I have learned from this book project is: better 
> not to write 
> such books alone.
>
> It would be a pleasure for me to write a chapter for a community-written 
> Netbeans book, or 
> may be to translate from english to german some parts, if we want to have a 
> german 
> version.
>
> But I have less experience in organzing such things. In scientific 
> communities typically you 
> have an editor or a small team of editors. Their job is often really a lot of 
> work: to defines the 
> chapters/articles, to find people who can write the articles and to push the 
> authors to deliver 
> in the timeline.
>
> An other question is where and how to publish the book. My experience with 
> the Tomcat 
> book was that the publisher was a really great help in formatting and 
> proofreading. And a 
> publisher can be a very big help in invertising for apache netbeans.
>
> But it should be also possible to write the book without a publisher at our 
> own. In this case 
> we can have an open-pdf-Version of the book. Maye we can have this too with a 
> publisher?
>
> best regards
> Oliver
>
>
>> I've been approached by Apress regarding interest in a book on Apache
>> NetBeans.  I personally do not have enough time to devote to another book
>> right now, so I wanted to send a note to the Apache NetBeans developer
>> group to see if there are any developers interested in authoring a book
>> (perhaps a collaborative effort).
>>
>> I know things are very busy right now, and I've already told Apress that
>> the main focus is the release of Apache NetBeans 9 right now, but maybe a
>> book project could start this fall.  There are no timelines right
>> now...just interest in a book on the new open Apache NetBeans IDE.
>>
>> If anyone is interested then reply to this message and I can get a list of
>> names together to send along to Apress.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Josh Juneau
>> juneau...@gmail.com
>> http://jj-blogger.blogspot.com
>> https://www.apress.com/index.php/author/author/view/id/1866
>
>
>



Re: Apache NetBeans Apress Book

2018-07-17 Thread Peter Nabbefeld



I'd probably put more parts into the second chapter and less into the 
third ... if You add a part about language support, it will already need 
quite some sub-chapters (language support in general [coloring, code 
folding, code completion, refactoring, guarded blocks, hints as warnings 
and with refactoring, embedding other languages like Javascript in HTML, 
XML support], doing about everything manually, using Antlr, using JavaCC).


What about visual library and Java Source API?

Just some ideas ;-)

Peter


Am 16.07.2018 um 21:44 schrieb Delfi Ramirez:

Agreed in the main structure

Do not see clear, yet the five chapters of the 3 part

++1

Delfi Ramirez

Segonquart Studio

https://segonquart.net

From: Geertjan Wielenga
Sent: 16 July 2018 14:38
To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Apache NetBeans Apress Book

Broadly, I think such a book should be split into three parts, each of
which could be split into about 5 chapters:

Part 1: Using Apache NetBeans
Part 2: Extending Apache NetBeans
Part 3: Contributing to Apache NetBeans

Gj

On Monday, July 16, 2018, Delfi Ramirez  wrote:


Hi All:

Agreed there is the  need of a chapter-by-chapter community written book.

Count me in. Even if there is the need for the book, once written,  of a
single translator for the whole community content.

Even everyone of us has English as a mother tongue or second tongue, we
may able to reach and target new markets and new loyal fellows in this
world wide world we live in

Cheers


Delfi Ramirez

Segonquart Studio

https://segonquart.net

From: Oliver Rettig
Sent: 16 July 2018 13:47
To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Apache NetBeans Apress Book

Hi all,

I like the idea of a  community-written book very much. This can encourage
people to join
our great community and it show that netbeans is now a apache project ...
For me the
community is one of the most important facts to work with netbeans and
rarely with eclipse.

I have some experience with writing a book for Tomcat 5:

https://www.rheinwerk-verlag.de/tomcat-5_700/

and the most important thing I have learned from this book project is:
better not to write
such books alone.

It would be a pleasure for me to write a chapter for a community-written
Netbeans book, or
may be to translate from english to german some parts, if we want to have
a german
version.

But I have less experience in organzing such things. In scientific
communities typically you
have an editor or a small team of editors. Their job is often really a lot
of work: to defines the
chapters/articles, to find people who can write the articles and to push
the authors to deliver
in the timeline.

An other question is where and how to publish the book. My experience with
the Tomcat
book was that the publisher was a really great help in formatting and
proofreading. And a
publisher can be a very big help in invertising for apache netbeans.

But it should be also possible to write the book without a publisher at
our own. In this case
we can have an open-pdf-Version of the book. Maye we can have this too
with a publisher?

best regards
Oliver



I've been approached by Apress regarding interest in a book on Apache
NetBeans.  I personally do not have enough time to devote to another book
right now, so I wanted to send a note to the Apache NetBeans developer
group to see if there are any developers interested in authoring a book
(perhaps a collaborative effort).

I know things are very busy right now, and I've already told Apress that
the main focus is the release of Apache NetBeans 9 right now, but maybe a
book project could start this fall.  There are no timelines right
now...just interest in a book on the new open Apache NetBeans IDE.

If anyone is interested then reply to this message and I can get a list

of

names together to send along to Apress.

Thanks

Josh Juneau
juneau...@gmail.com
http://jj-blogger.blogspot.com
https://www.apress.com/index.php/author/author/view/id/1866









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