Re: The logo, once and for all? (was AW: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal))

[Wade Chandler]

When we started this, and Chris did his icon, we had the NetBeans cube;
both the blue solid and the red empty sides versions. NB has had those cube
icons for decades at this point.

Webpack, at the time of his drawing, had a cube in a translucent cube. But,
did have the hexgon outline.

Has anyone see the latest Webpack logo? It seems to differ only in color,
as they have added boldness and contrast to the internal cube lines.

I think it would be fair to afford some time for some modification because
of this. Just some ideas: Some extra depth to the layer around the cube
could relate to the pieces from "Fits the pieces together" as well as "into
a new dimension". Maybe even adding some tilt to the hexagon to give it a
distinct shadow.

Wade


On Feb 26, 2018 06:06, "Antonio" <anto...@vieiro.net> wrote:

> Hi Chris, all,
>
> The situation with the logo is that there was a voting at [1] somewhere in
> 2016, the most voted logo is not the one with colors, so using the one you
> suggest (with colors) instead of the most voted one does not seem to be
> very Apache compliant, as it would be against a voting result.
>
> Also in late 2017 we opened an Apache NetBeans logo contest at [2], which
> has not been closed yet. There has been a submission in early february 2018
> (i.e., a few days ago) from Junichi (see [3]), which is also pretty cool,
> IMHO, and also deserves our consideration.
>
> To end up the logo discussion once and for all I propose:
>
> - Announcing closing the contest within a few days.
> - Announce a voting in the mailing list, as per the Apache way.
>
> I know this is probably lots of bureaucracy, but that's how things are
> expected to work in this Apache world, AFAIK (and please correct me if I'm
> wrong).
>
> Kind regards,
> Antonio
>
> [1]
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/NetBeans+Logo
>
> [2]
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-145
>
> [3]
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12909573/ap
> ache-netbeans-logo.png
>
>  Forwarded Message 
> Subject: AW: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal)
> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2018 10:58:53 +0100
> From: Christian Lenz <christian.l...@gmx.net>
> Reply-To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org <dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org>
>
> I would like to Change the logo to the SVG file, because it scales better
> and we don’t have any Problems with Retina and whatever, as you can see it
> here: http://netbeans.apache.org/. I added the SVG too.
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Chris
>
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Re: AW: T-Shirts (was Fwd: Re: The logo, once and for all? (was AW: Merged tomaster (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal)))

[Antonio]

Me wanna netbeans t-shirt now! :-)

On 27/02/18 12:54, Christian Lenz wrote:

This is another Topic, but Geertjan and me created a SpreadShop at SpreadShirt, 
where I work for: https://shop.spreadshirt.com/netbeans/ So we have to discuss 
what we want to do with this shop.


Cheers

Chris

Von: Antonio
Gesendet: Dienstag, 27. Februar 2018 12:36
An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Betreff: T-Shirts (was Fwd: Re: The logo, once and for all? (was AW: Merged 
tomaster (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal)))

Talking of which, the ASF Swag site

http://apacheswag.com/

Has no Apache NetBeans T-Shirts yet!! :-(


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Re: A NetBeans website proposal))
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2018 10:58:11 +
From: Neil C Smith <neilcsm...@apache.org>
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To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org

On Tue, 27 Feb 2018 at 10:40 Antonio <anto...@vieiro.net> wrote:


I like that "Powered by NetBeans..." logo idea!



Yes, particularly on a T-shirt! ;-)

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AW: T-Shirts (was Fwd: Re: The logo, once and for all? (was AW: Merged tomaster (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal)))

[Christian Lenz]

This is another Topic, but Geertjan and me created a SpreadShop at SpreadShirt, 
where I work for: https://shop.spreadshirt.com/netbeans/ So we have to discuss 
what we want to do with this shop.


Cheers

Chris

Von: Antonio
Gesendet: Dienstag, 27. Februar 2018 12:36
An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Betreff: T-Shirts (was Fwd: Re: The logo, once and for all? (was AW: Merged 
tomaster (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal)))

Talking of which, the ASF Swag site

http://apacheswag.com/

Has no Apache NetBeans T-Shirts yet!! :-(


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Re: A NetBeans website proposal))
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2018 10:58:11 +
From: Neil C Smith <neilcsm...@apache.org>
Reply-To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org

On Tue, 27 Feb 2018 at 10:40 Antonio <anto...@vieiro.net> wrote:

> I like that "Powered by NetBeans..." logo idea!
>

Yes, particularly on a T-shirt! ;-)

Best wishes,

Neil
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T-Shirts (was Fwd: Re: The logo, once and for all? (was AW: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal)))

[Antonio]

Talking of which, the ASF Swag site

http://apacheswag.com/

Has no Apache NetBeans T-Shirts yet!! :-(


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Subject: Re: The logo, once and for all? (was AW: Merged to master (was 
Re: A NetBeans website proposal))

Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2018 10:58:11 +
From: Neil C Smith <neilcsm...@apache.org>
Reply-To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org

On Tue, 27 Feb 2018 at 10:40 Antonio <anto...@vieiro.net> wrote:


I like that "Powered by NetBeans..." logo idea!



Yes, particularly on a T-shirt! ;-)

Best wishes,

Neil
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Re: The logo, once and for all? (was AW: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal))

[Neil C Smith]

On Tue, 27 Feb 2018 at 10:40 Antonio  wrote:

> I like that "Powered by NetBeans..." logo idea!
>

Yes, particularly on a T-shirt! ;-)

Best wishes,

Neil
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Re: The logo, once and for all? (was AW: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal))

[Antonio]

I like that "Powered by NetBeans..." logo idea!

Thanks, Bertrand,
Antonio

On 27/02/18 10:31, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:

On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 5:20 PM, Eduard Karel de Jong
 wrote:

...The next discussion and a subsequent vote should be on the elements that we
want to present in the typography...


Note also https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs which has a
(small) section on logos and graphics policy.

-Bertrand

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Re: The logo, once and for all? (was AW: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal))

[Bertrand Delacretaz]

On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 5:20 PM, Eduard Karel de Jong
 wrote:
> ...The next discussion and a subsequent vote should be on the elements that we
> want to present in the typography...

Note also https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs which has a
(small) section on logos and graphics policy.

-Bertrand

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Re: The logo, once and for all? (was AW: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal))

[Eduard]

Indeed, the icon without typgraphy should be the item to vote upon this 
time.
The next discussion and a subsequent vote should be on the elements that 
we want to present in the typography, for instance:

-the word "apache"
-the feather
-a 'badge' with "IDE"  (with a possible alternate badge for the 
framework, like "AFW".
An other question is if the words "Net" and "Beans" should be with 
distinct typography.


Cheers
Eduard



Antonio wrote:

I'd say the icon without the typography.

Cheers,
Antonio

On 26/02/18 12:16, Neil C Smith wrote:

On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 at 11:06 Antonio  wrote:


To end up the logo discussion once and for all I propose:

- Announcing closing the contest within a few days.
- Announce a voting in the mailing list, as per the Apache way.



Sounds good!

Can we also clarify what we mean by logo though?  Are we at this stage
literally looking for the replacement for the cube icon, without any 
text /

typography?

Because currently the blue logo has 6 or 8 votes depending on what we 
mean.


Best wishes,

Neil



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Re: The logo, once and for all? (was AW: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal))

[Eduard Karel de Jong]

Indeed, the icon without typgraphy should be the item to vote upon this 
time.
The next discussion and a subsequent vote should be on the elements that 
we want to present in the typography, for instance:

-the word "apache"
-the feather
-a 'badge' with "IDE"  (with a possible alternate badge for the 
framework, like "AFW".
An other question is if the words "Net" and "Beans" should be with 
distinct typography.


Cheers
Eduard



Antonio wrote:

I'd say the icon without the typography.

Cheers,
Antonio

On 26/02/18 12:16, Neil C Smith wrote:

On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 at 11:06 Antonio  wrote:


To end up the logo discussion once and for all I propose:

- Announcing closing the contest within a few days.
- Announce a voting in the mailing list, as per the Apache way.



Sounds good!

Can we also clarify what we mean by logo though?  Are we at this stage
literally looking for the replacement for the cube icon, without any 
text /

typography?

Because currently the blue logo has 6 or 8 votes depending on what we 
mean.


Best wishes,

Neil



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Re: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal)

[Neil C Smith]

On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 at 13:27 Peter Steele  wrote:

> Apologies if i may have missed it, but where in the
> incubator-netbeans-website github repository is the delete/clean code in
> build.gradle?
>

I have no idea!  Maybe one for Wade.  What I do know is that clean deletes
the build dir, so the assets get removed.

Maybe we need to explicitly clean up the asset dirs too?

Seems possibly related to comments here
https://github.com/gradle/gradle/issues/1168

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Re: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal)

[Peter Steele]

Apologies if i may have missed it, but where in the
incubator-netbeans-website github repository is the delete/clean code in
build.gradle?

On 26 Feb 2018 11:52, "Neil C Smith"  wrote:

> On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 at 11:38 Peter Steele  wrote:
>
> > Although the easiest way is to actually move the clean code from the
> > scripts to gradle because gradle will then have a complete view on things
> >
>
> Everything is already gradle though!
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Neil
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> Artist & Technologist
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>
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>

Re: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal)

[Neil C Smith]

On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 at 11:38 Peter Steele  wrote:

> Although the easiest way is to actually move the clean code from the
> scripts to gradle because gradle will then have a complete view on things
>

Everything is already gradle though!

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Re: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal)

[Peter Steele]

It could be that because you have cleaned them outside of gradle, gradle
still thinks they are there and they haven't changed. The .gradle/caches
contains the cached data, you can tell gradle to refresh the dependencies
using ./gradle build --refresh-dependencies.

Although the easiest way is to actually move the clean code from the
scripts to gradle because gradle will then have a complete view on things

On 26 Feb 2018 11:07, "Neil C Smith"  wrote:

On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 at 10:57 Peter Steele  wrote:

> Gradle clean basically cleans the build directory used in java
compilation.
> In the task compileContentSass for instance you source from $contentDir
and
> write to $generatedAssetDir and these are not part of the java eco system.
>
> What you should do is create a new task which deletes all the directories
> you use and then do a clean.dependsOn(myCleanTask) so that is is run when
> clean is run.
>

Thanks!  Wade's build scripts do clean out all the generated files,
presumably because they're under /build anyway?  However, the sass plugin
still thinks it's up-to-date.  I'm assuming we need to link the sass plugin
into clean somehow, but the problem appears to be more than just deleting
the output directories, because they already are deleted?  Unless it's the
way that they're deleted that matters?

Best wishes,

Neil
--
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Artist & Technologist
www.neilcsmith.net

Praxis LIVE - hybrid visual IDE for creative coding - www.praxislive.org

Re: The logo, once and for all? (was AW: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal))

[Neil C Smith]

On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 at 11:24 Antonio  wrote:

> I'd say the icon without the typography.
>

Agreed, so +1 from me to that and your schedule.

Given the necessarily short schedule, etc., and as we find our feet at
Apache, it might be good to keep in mind that any decision could get
reviewed around either next major release or when we become a top-level
project - ie. it's not a vote on something that will be fixed for all
eternity! ;-)

Best wishes,

Neil
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Re: The logo, once and for all? (was AW: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal))

[Antonio]

I'd say the icon without the typography.

Cheers,
Antonio

On 26/02/18 12:16, Neil C Smith wrote:

On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 at 11:06 Antonio  wrote:


To end up the logo discussion once and for all I propose:

- Announcing closing the contest within a few days.
- Announce a voting in the mailing list, as per the Apache way.



Sounds good!

Can we also clarify what we mean by logo though?  Are we at this stage
literally looking for the replacement for the cube icon, without any text /
typography?

Because currently the blue logo has 6 or 8 votes depending on what we mean.

Best wishes,

Neil



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Re: The logo, once and for all? (was AW: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal))

[Antonio]

Hi again,

So, to keep things moving, shall we announce closing the contest by, 
say, until March the 1st?


And start the voting during March 2nd, 3rd and 4th?

Or is that too fast? ;-)

Cheers,
Antonio

On 26/02/18 12:09, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:

That sounds good. Thanks for persevering with this, Antonio.

Gj

On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 12:06 PM, Antonio <anto...@vieiro.net> wrote:


Hi Chris, all,

The situation with the logo is that there was a voting at [1] somewhere in
2016, the most voted logo is not the one with colors, so using the one you
suggest (with colors) instead of the most voted one does not seem to be
very Apache compliant, as it would be against a voting result.

Also in late 2017 we opened an Apache NetBeans logo contest at [2], which
has not been closed yet. There has been a submission in early february 2018
(i.e., a few days ago) from Junichi (see [3]), which is also pretty cool,
IMHO, and also deserves our consideration.

To end up the logo discussion once and for all I propose:

- Announcing closing the contest within a few days.
- Announce a voting in the mailing list, as per the Apache way.

I know this is probably lots of bureaucracy, but that's how things are
expected to work in this Apache world, AFAIK (and please correct me if I'm
wrong).

Kind regards,
Antonio

[1]
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/NetBeans+Logo

[2]
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-145

[3]
https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12909573/
apache-netbeans-logo.png

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Subject: AW: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2018 10:58:53 +0100
From: Christian Lenz <christian.l...@gmx.net>
Reply-To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org <dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org>

I would like to Change the logo to the SVG file, because it scales better
and we don’t have any Problems with Retina and whatever, as you can see it
here: http://netbeans.apache.org/. I added the SVG too.


Cheers

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Re: The logo, once and for all? (was AW: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal))

[Neil C Smith]

On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 at 11:06 Antonio  wrote:

> To end up the logo discussion once and for all I propose:
>
> - Announcing closing the contest within a few days.
> - Announce a voting in the mailing list, as per the Apache way.
>

Sounds good!

Can we also clarify what we mean by logo though?  Are we at this stage
literally looking for the replacement for the cube icon, without any text /
typography?

Because currently the blue logo has 6 or 8 votes depending on what we mean.

Best wishes,

Neil
-- 
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Artist & Technologist
www.neilcsmith.net

Praxis LIVE - hybrid visual IDE for creative coding - www.praxislive.org

Re: The logo, once and for all? (was AW: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal))

[Geertjan Wielenga]

That sounds good. Thanks for persevering with this, Antonio.

Gj

On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 12:06 PM, Antonio <anto...@vieiro.net> wrote:

> Hi Chris, all,
>
> The situation with the logo is that there was a voting at [1] somewhere in
> 2016, the most voted logo is not the one with colors, so using the one you
> suggest (with colors) instead of the most voted one does not seem to be
> very Apache compliant, as it would be against a voting result.
>
> Also in late 2017 we opened an Apache NetBeans logo contest at [2], which
> has not been closed yet. There has been a submission in early february 2018
> (i.e., a few days ago) from Junichi (see [3]), which is also pretty cool,
> IMHO, and also deserves our consideration.
>
> To end up the logo discussion once and for all I propose:
>
> - Announcing closing the contest within a few days.
> - Announce a voting in the mailing list, as per the Apache way.
>
> I know this is probably lots of bureaucracy, but that's how things are
> expected to work in this Apache world, AFAIK (and please correct me if I'm
> wrong).
>
> Kind regards,
> Antonio
>
> [1]
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/NetBeans+Logo
>
> [2]
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-145
>
> [3]
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12909573/
> apache-netbeans-logo.png
>
>  Forwarded Message 
> Subject: AW: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal)
> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2018 10:58:53 +0100
> From: Christian Lenz <christian.l...@gmx.net>
> Reply-To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org <dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org>
>
> I would like to Change the logo to the SVG file, because it scales better
> and we don’t have any Problems with Retina and whatever, as you can see it
> here: http://netbeans.apache.org/. I added the SVG too.
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Chris
>
>
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>

Re: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal)

[Neil C Smith]

On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 at 10:57 Peter Steele  wrote:

> Gradle clean basically cleans the build directory used in java compilation.
> In the task compileContentSass for instance you source from $contentDir and
> write to $generatedAssetDir and these are not part of the java eco system.
>
> What you should do is create a new task which deletes all the directories
> you use and then do a clean.dependsOn(myCleanTask) so that is is run when
> clean is run.
>

Thanks!  Wade's build scripts do clean out all the generated files,
presumably because they're under /build anyway?  However, the sass plugin
still thinks it's up-to-date.  I'm assuming we need to link the sass plugin
into clean somehow, but the problem appears to be more than just deleting
the output directories, because they already are deleted?  Unless it's the
way that they're deleted that matters?

Best wishes,

Neil
-- 
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Artist & Technologist
www.neilcsmith.net

Praxis LIVE - hybrid visual IDE for creative coding - www.praxislive.org

The logo, once and for all? (was AW: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal))

[Antonio]

Hi Chris, all,

The situation with the logo is that there was a voting at [1] somewhere 
in 2016, the most voted logo is not the one with colors, so using the 
one you suggest (with colors) instead of the most voted one does not 
seem to be very Apache compliant, as it would be against a voting result.


Also in late 2017 we opened an Apache NetBeans logo contest at [2], 
which has not been closed yet. There has been a submission in early 
february 2018 (i.e., a few days ago) from Junichi (see [3]), which is 
also pretty cool, IMHO, and also deserves our consideration.


To end up the logo discussion once and for all I propose:

- Announcing closing the contest within a few days.
- Announce a voting in the mailing list, as per the Apache way.

I know this is probably lots of bureaucracy, but that's how things are 
expected to work in this Apache world, AFAIK (and please correct me if 
I'm wrong).


Kind regards,
Antonio

[1]
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/NetBeans+Logo

[2]
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-145

[3]
https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12909573/apache-netbeans-logo.png

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Subject: AW: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2018 10:58:53 +0100
From: Christian Lenz <christian.l...@gmx.net>
Reply-To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org <dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org>

I would like to Change the logo to the SVG file, because it scales 
better and we don’t have any Problems with Retina and whatever, as you 
can see it here: http://netbeans.apache.org/. I added the SVG too.



Cheers

Chris



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Re: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal)

[Peter Steele]

Gradle clean basically cleans the build directory used in java compilation.
In the task compileContentSass for instance you source from $contentDir and
write to $generatedAssetDir and these are not part of the java eco system.

What you should do is create a new task which deletes all the directories
you use and then do a clean.dependsOn(myCleanTask) so that is is run when
clean is run.

Another thing is noticed was you have a task to stop and start tomcat,
there is a nice plugin on github (bmuschko/gradle-tomcat-plugin) which
allows you to redeploy core easily.

On 26 Feb 2018 10:42, "Neil C Smith"  wrote:

> On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 at 07:54 Antonio  wrote:
>
> > This has now been merged to master, we think we comply with ASF's
> > podling website requirements.
>
>
> Woot! :-)
>
> Some other enhancements & to-dos as seen in the thread & elsewhere:
> > ...
> > - The README at
> >
> > https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/
> tree/master/netbeans.apache.org
> > explains how Wade's script work, how to run a preview site yourself, etc.
> >
> >
> Note (for others) that you might need to run these commands to get the
> correct output -
>
> ./gradlew clean
> ./gradlew preprocessContent --rerun-tasks
> ./gradlew bake
>
> One other useful task would be for someone who understands Gradle better
> than Antonio or I to have a look at why the build (or sass plugin in
> particular) is incorrectly caching even after cleaning.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Neil
> --
> Neil C Smith
> Artist & Technologist
> www.neilcsmith.net
>
> Praxis LIVE - hybrid visual IDE for creative coding - www.praxislive.org
>

Re: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal)

[Neil C Smith]

On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 at 07:54 Antonio  wrote:

> This has now been merged to master, we think we comply with ASF's
> podling website requirements.


Woot! :-)

Some other enhancements & to-dos as seen in the thread & elsewhere:
> ...
> - The README at
>
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/tree/master/netbeans.apache.org
> explains how Wade's script work, how to run a preview site yourself, etc.
>
>
Note (for others) that you might need to run these commands to get the
correct output -

./gradlew clean
./gradlew preprocessContent --rerun-tasks
./gradlew bake

One other useful task would be for someone who understands Gradle better
than Antonio or I to have a look at why the build (or sass plugin in
particular) is incorrectly caching even after cleaning.

Best wishes,

Neil
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AW: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal)

[Christian Lenz]

I would like to Change the logo to the SVG file, because it scales better and 
we don’t have any Problems with Retina and whatever, as you can see it here: 
http://netbeans.apache.org/. I added the SVG too.


Cheers

Chris

Von: Antonio
Gesendet: Montag, 26. Februar 2018 08:54
An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Betreff: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal)

Hi all,

This has now been merged to master, we think we comply with ASF's 
podling website requirements. Feel free to submit PRs as you see fit.

I've uploaded the bits at https://netbeans.vieiro.net temporarily, to 
verify that the "see this page in github" links work properly. This 
won't track master, and may dissappear within a few days.

Thanks all involved and those giving comments and ideas.

Have fun,
Antonio

== Main goals

As Geertjan outlined in the mailing list thread the main goals for the 
netbeans.apache.org website are, in order of importance:

1- Have a proper IDE features page.
2- Port the IDE tutorials.
3- Have a platform specific page.

Some other enhancements & to-dos as seen in the thread & elsewhere:

- Improve image visualization (lightbox, for instance).
- Add proper retina images (including the NetBeans logo).
- The wiki pages should be reviewed, after review the bottom of the page 
should contain the review date.

== Going live

AFAIK the website won't go live until we update the content to the 
"asf-site" branch (i.e., until we copy the generated HTML into that 
branch), as I think this branch is currently connected with the web 
server through Apache's gitpubsub.

I'll try to find out the details.

== netbeans.apache.org help materials

- The README at
https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/tree/master/netbeans.apache.org
explains how Wade's script work, how to run a preview site yourself, etc.

- The templates directory README
https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/tree/master/netbeans.apache.org/src/content/templates
has information about building templates as "Groovy Server Pages" files, 
as well as the initial templates we're using.

- The scss directory at
https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/tree/master/netbeans.apache.org/src/content/scss
Contains the initial SCSS files from Foundation adapted to netbeans.

Other useful links:

- jbake http://jbake.org/docs/2.5.1/
- foundation 6 for sites https://foundation.zurb.com/sites/docs/
- for those using asciidoc the AsciiDoc Writer's Guide at 
https://asciidoctor.org/docs/asciidoc-writers-guide/

== bits.netbeans.org

The ant script at bits.netbeans.org needs some love to properly generate 
NetBeans javadoc files + arch stuff (properly tagged with release 
information, etc.). The directory structure from current 
"bits.netbeans.org" does not match the existing one.

AFAIK we haven't set up a webserver for this domain, I imagine we can do 
this later on (probably using gitpubsub too in another "api" branch).



On 23/02/18 08:19, Antonio wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Wade, Tim, Neil, Jirka, Geertjan and I have been doing some experiments 
> regarding the NetBeans website.
> 
> As you probably know, the current NetBeans website comprises many 
> different webs: we have "bits.netbeans.org" for APIs, "netbeans.org" for 
> main content, "plugins.netbeans.org" for the Plugin Portal, 
> "wiki.netbeans.org" for the wiki, and there're a few more subdomains.
> 
> The current "netbeans.org" website is quite big. As you already know, 
> Wade consolidated it in github's 
> "apache/incubator-netbeans-website-cleanup" [1] repo, and added a Gradle 
> build system that uses JBake to generate static content, where content 
> is markdown/asciidoc/html with some additional files.
> 
> As the migration is going to take time, and will require Oracle 
> reviewing IP clearance for the content, we thought we could start a 
> simpler "netbeans.apache.org" website that uses the same Wade's scripts. 
> We then could add content gradually, as Oracle passes the IP clearance 
> procedures.
> 
> So we came out with a basic "multisite-test" _branch_ at Github's 
> "incubator-netbeans-website" [2].
> 
> The idea of this branch is to be able to consolidate different NetBeans 
> subdomains as different directories (currently "bits.netbeans.org" and 
> "netbeans.apache.org"), and create scripts for generating _static_ 
> content for those different websites. Currently we have:
> 
> - bits.netbeans.org
>      Currently builds the javadoc from sources.
> 
> - netbeans.apache.org
>      - Has some basic content from current Confluence pages.
>      - As posted to the list in december we chose the Foundation 6 
> framework as a, well, foundation, and Neil modified it with some p

Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal)

[Antonio]

Hi all,

This has now been merged to master, we think we comply with ASF's 
podling website requirements. Feel free to submit PRs as you see fit.


I've uploaded the bits at https://netbeans.vieiro.net temporarily, to 
verify that the "see this page in github" links work properly. This 
won't track master, and may dissappear within a few days.


Thanks all involved and those giving comments and ideas.

Have fun,
Antonio

== Main goals

As Geertjan outlined in the mailing list thread the main goals for the 
netbeans.apache.org website are, in order of importance:


1- Have a proper IDE features page.
2- Port the IDE tutorials.
3- Have a platform specific page.

Some other enhancements & to-dos as seen in the thread & elsewhere:

- Improve image visualization (lightbox, for instance).
- Add proper retina images (including the NetBeans logo).
- The wiki pages should be reviewed, after review the bottom of the page 
should contain the review date.


== Going live

AFAIK the website won't go live until we update the content to the 
"asf-site" branch (i.e., until we copy the generated HTML into that 
branch), as I think this branch is currently connected with the web 
server through Apache's gitpubsub.


I'll try to find out the details.

== netbeans.apache.org help materials

- The README at
https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/tree/master/netbeans.apache.org
explains how Wade's script work, how to run a preview site yourself, etc.

- The templates directory README
https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/tree/master/netbeans.apache.org/src/content/templates
has information about building templates as "Groovy Server Pages" files, 
as well as the initial templates we're using.


- The scss directory at
https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/tree/master/netbeans.apache.org/src/content/scss
Contains the initial SCSS files from Foundation adapted to netbeans.

Other useful links:

- jbake http://jbake.org/docs/2.5.1/
- foundation 6 for sites https://foundation.zurb.com/sites/docs/
- for those using asciidoc the AsciiDoc Writer's Guide at 
https://asciidoctor.org/docs/asciidoc-writers-guide/


== bits.netbeans.org

The ant script at bits.netbeans.org needs some love to properly generate 
NetBeans javadoc files + arch stuff (properly tagged with release 
information, etc.). The directory structure from current 
"bits.netbeans.org" does not match the existing one.


AFAIK we haven't set up a webserver for this domain, I imagine we can do 
this later on (probably using gitpubsub too in another "api" branch).




On 23/02/18 08:19, Antonio wrote:

Hi all,

Wade, Tim, Neil, Jirka, Geertjan and I have been doing some experiments 
regarding the NetBeans website.


As you probably know, the current NetBeans website comprises many 
different webs: we have "bits.netbeans.org" for APIs, "netbeans.org" for 
main content, "plugins.netbeans.org" for the Plugin Portal, 
"wiki.netbeans.org" for the wiki, and there're a few more subdomains.


The current "netbeans.org" website is quite big. As you already know, 
Wade consolidated it in github's 
"apache/incubator-netbeans-website-cleanup" [1] repo, and added a Gradle 
build system that uses JBake to generate static content, where content 
is markdown/asciidoc/html with some additional files.


As the migration is going to take time, and will require Oracle 
reviewing IP clearance for the content, we thought we could start a 
simpler "netbeans.apache.org" website that uses the same Wade's scripts. 
We then could add content gradually, as Oracle passes the IP clearance 
procedures.


So we came out with a basic "multisite-test" _branch_ at Github's 
"incubator-netbeans-website" [2].


The idea of this branch is to be able to consolidate different NetBeans 
subdomains as different directories (currently "bits.netbeans.org" and 
"netbeans.apache.org"), and create scripts for generating _static_ 
content for those different websites. Currently we have:


- bits.netbeans.org
     Currently builds the javadoc from sources.

- netbeans.apache.org
     - Has some basic content from current Confluence pages.
     - As posted to the list in december we chose the Foundation 6 
framework as a, well, foundation, and Neil modified it with some proper 
SCSS structure [3] to fit our needs.
     - We've also added the wiki pages. We may set up a different repo 
for these in the future, though.
     - We've uploaded the result of this static site to 
https://netbeans.vieiro.net for you to see live (note: the "see this 
page in github" won't work until/if this branch merges to master).


So to summarize, the objectives are:

1. Have all NetBeans websites in a single repo, with different folders 
for each. Maybe we want to share stuff among them in the future.

2. Have some scripts to build static content for those websites.
3. For web sites, make them comply with Apache's guidelines for web 
sites [4]


If you think the idea is good enough then we may merge 

Re: A NetBeans website proposal

[Emilian Bold]

Wow, so much work done!

I like the site, we also have the wiki, it's all good!

I would, obviously, tweak it here and there, but it's best to get it running 
and I can do PRs and such afterwards.

Really nice surprise.

--emi

‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐

On 23 February 2018 9:19 AM, Antonio  wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> Wade, Tim, Neil, Jirka, Geertjan and I have been doing some experiments
> 
> regarding the NetBeans website.
> 
> As you probably know, the current NetBeans website comprises many
> 
> different webs: we have "bits.netbeans.org" for APIs, "netbeans.org" for
> 
> main content, "plugins.netbeans.org" for the Plugin Portal,
> 
> "wiki.netbeans.org" for the wiki, and there're a few more subdomains.
> 
> The current "netbeans.org" website is quite big. As you already know,
> 
> Wade consolidated it in github's
> 
> "apache/incubator-netbeans-website-cleanup" \[1\] repo, and added a Gradle
> 
> build system that uses JBake to generate static content, where content
> 
> is markdown/asciidoc/html with some additional files.
> 
> As the migration is going to take time, and will require Oracle
> 
> reviewing IP clearance for the content, we thought we could start a
> 
> simpler "netbeans.apache.org" website that uses the same Wade's scripts.
> 
> We then could add content gradually, as Oracle passes the IP clearance
> 
> procedures.
> 
> So we came out with a basic "multisite-test" branch at Github's
> 
> "incubator-netbeans-website" \[2\].
> 
> The idea of this branch is to be able to consolidate different NetBeans
> 
> subdomains as different directories (currently "bits.netbeans.org" and
> 
> "netbeans.apache.org"), and create scripts for generating static
> 
> content for those different websites. Currently we have:
> 
> -   bits.netbeans.org
> 
> Currently builds the javadoc from sources.
> 
> -   netbeans.apache.org
> 
> -   Has some basic content from current Confluence pages.
> -   As posted to the list in december we chose the Foundation 6
> 
> framework as a, well, foundation, and Neil modified it with some 
> proper
> 
> SCSS structure \[3\] to fit our needs.
> 
> -   We've also added the wiki pages. We may set up a different repo
> 
> for these in the future, though.
> 
> -   We've uploaded the result of this static site to
> 
> https://netbeans.vieiro.net for you to see live (note: the "see this
> 
> page in github" won't work until/if this branch merges to master).
> 
> So to summarize, the objectives are:
> 
> 
> 1.  Have all NetBeans websites in a single repo, with different folders
> 
> for each. Maybe we want to share stuff among them in the future.
> 
> 2.  Have some scripts to build static content for those websites.
> 3.  For web sites, make them comply with Apache's guidelines for web
> 
> sites \[4\]
> 
> If you think the idea is good enough then we may merge that branch into
> 
> master and start migrating content, and/or creating different
> 
> subdirectories for other websites (such as the plugin portal, for 
> instance).
> 
> So, please, say yes or no to keep this path of work. Some other ideas
> 
> would also we welcome.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Antonio
> 
> \[1\]
> 
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website-cleanup
> 
> \[2\]
> 
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/tree/multisite-test
> 
> We've used asciidoc, but Wade's script supports markdown and html as
> 
> well. An example asciidoc file, as rendered by github, can be seen here:
> 
> 
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/blob/multisite-test/netbeans.apache.org/src/content/download/index.asciidoc
> 
> \[3\]
> 
> Neil's impressive SCSS organization is here:
> 
> 
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/tree/multisite-test/netbeans.apache.org/src/content/scss
> 
> (note: some low quality scss stuff in there is my fault, not Neil's)
> 
> \[4\]
> 
> Apache Navigation Links Policy
> 
> https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs#navigation
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> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/branding.html
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Re: A NetBeans website proposal

[Neil C Smith]

On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 at 17:54 cowwoc  wrote:

> I personally favor 1080p and letting the browser
> downscale as needed.
>

Well, probably, or maybe even responsive image sets, but all things in
time. ;-)  I assume we have bigger versions of these?  Mind you, I'm not
sure some of those dialogs are actually that big!

Personally I think we could go live with this, but not forget it.  I can
also look at integrating a lightbox or similar, unless there's already one
in Foundation?


On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 at 15:36 Antonio  wrote:

> On 24/02/18 15:04, Glenn Holmer wrote:
> >> https://netbeans.vieiro.net/download/nb90/
> > I *love* the old-time NetBeans "swirl" in the header :)
>
> I love that too. :-) We should recover more of those backgrounds.
>

I love it too - and it should in no way be considered laziness that we used
something pre-existing! ;-)


>
> Neil did a great job cropping it to a exactly 16:9 ratio. These details
> come from professionals that know what they're doing. I love the work
> he's done with SCSS as well.


er, thanks ... you know I'm trying to get out of this professional web
lark, right?! :-)

Now, speaking of responsive images, a real professional would have created
more than one version of the hero image for different size screens!  I can
have a look at that next week too assuming we're definitely using this one
for now.

Best wishes,

Neil


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Re: A NetBeans website proposal

[cowwoc]

Out of curiosity, why are the screenshots so small once you click on 
them? I feel old saying this, but I find some of them hard to read :)


According to https://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_display.asp the 
most common screen resolution is 1366x768. Shouldn't we send something 
at least that size? I personally favor 1080p and letting the browser 
downscale as needed.


Gili

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Re: A NetBeans website proposal

[Antonio]

On 24/02/18 15:04, Glenn Holmer wrote:

On 02/24/2018 04:43 AM, Antonio wrote:

Before merging with "master" I thought I could add a "feature" component
as an example on how this could be done.



https://netbeans.vieiro.net/download/nb90/

I *love* the old-time NetBeans "swirl" in the header :)


I love that too. :-) We should recover more of those backgrounds.

Neil did a great job cropping it to a exactly 16:9 ratio. These details 
come from professionals that know what they're doing. I love the work 
he's done with SCSS as well.




To be ruthlessly honest, shouldn't this page tell what's missing (and
still expected from Oracle) in 9.0 compared to 8.2?



Definitely. It also should have all PHP stuff and the rest at 
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+NetBeans+9.0+New+and+Noteworthy 
And we should also add a NB 9.0 Alpha page.


The objectives right now are to meet all Apache web guidelines (the 
footer, for instance, has mandatory Apache links, the download page has 
also some requirements) and to make it as easy as possible to add stuff 
without worrying too much about HTML (the 'cards' in the main page, or 
the 'features' in this one, for instance). With just a minimum content.


After merging to master (if nobody opposes say by monday) we'll have 
time to add all that content before finally going live.


Cheers,
Antonio

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Re: A NetBeans website proposal

[Glenn Holmer]

On 02/24/2018 04:43 AM, Antonio wrote:
> Before merging with "master" I thought I could add a "feature" component
> as an example on how this could be done.

> https://netbeans.vieiro.net/download/nb90/
I *love* the old-time NetBeans "swirl" in the header :)

To be ruthlessly honest, shouldn't this page tell what's missing (and
still expected from Oracle) in 9.0 compared to 8.2?

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Re: A NetBeans website proposal

[Antonio]

On 23/02/18 16:32, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:

I reckon the order of importance:
- IDE features page


Before merging with "master" I thought I could add a "feature" component 
as an example on how this could be done.


asciidoc source:

https://raw.githubusercontent.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/multisite-test/netbeans.apache.org/src/content/download/nb90/index.asciidoc

( images are simply added along with the document
https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/tree/multisite-test/netbeans.apache.org/src/content/download/nb90 
)


Rendered (live):

https://netbeans.vieiro.net/download/nb90/

Rendered (github):

https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/blob/multisite-test/netbeans.apache.org/src/content/download/nb90/index.asciidoc

I've also rearranged the download page to link to different releases.

Cheers,
Antonio



- IDE tutorials
- platform specific page

Gj

On Friday, February 23, 2018, Neil C Smith  wrote:


On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 at 15:10 Antonio Vieiro  wrote:


I can't tell which parts/sections are more important. Should we start
with the tutorials? The plugin portal? A platform specific page?



Just to note that the plugin portal issue (
https://issues.apache.org/jira/projects/NETBEANS/issues/NETBEANS-201 ) is
currently pending a query to infra about being able to host the existing
plugin portal.

Best wishes,

Neil
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Re: A NetBeans website proposal

[Antonio]

Hi,

We now have a release-specific download page at

https://netbeans.vieiro.net/download/nb90-beta.html
https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/blob/multisite-test/netbeans.apache.org/src/content/download/nb90-beta.asciidoc

that I think complies with "Apache's project download page" 
requirements. The main download page will link to all different 
release-specific download pages.


I think we could reuse this for future releases.

Thanks again,
Antonio

On 23/02/18 13:42, Ate Douma wrote:

Great work!

The only important and required change needed AFAICT concerns the
download page [1].
There is a dedicated page with the ASF requirements for that at [2].
What needs to be added is, besides links to the distributions itself,
also links to the KEYS, sigs, hashes files, and a reminder for users to
check sums and signatures.
Just follow the instructions at [2] to get [1] aligned, and I think this
looks good to 'go live'!

Regards,
Ate

[1] https://netbeans.vieiro.net/download/index.html
[2] http://www.apache.org/dev/release-download-pages.html

On 2018-02-23 08:19, Antonio wrote:

Hi all,

Wade, Tim, Neil, Jirka, Geertjan and I have been doing some 
experiments regarding the NetBeans website.


As you probably know, the current NetBeans website comprises many 
different webs: we have "bits.netbeans.org" for APIs, "netbeans.org" 
for main content, "plugins.netbeans.org" for the Plugin Portal, 
"wiki.netbeans.org" for the wiki, and there're a few more subdomains.


The current "netbeans.org" website is quite big. As you already know, 
Wade consolidated it in github's 
"apache/incubator-netbeans-website-cleanup" [1] repo, and added a 
Gradle build system that uses JBake to generate static content, where 
content is markdown/asciidoc/html with some additional files.


As the migration is going to take time, and will require Oracle 
reviewing IP clearance for the content, we thought we could start a 
simpler "netbeans.apache.org" website that uses the same Wade's 
scripts. We then could add content gradually, as Oracle passes the IP 
clearance procedures.


So we came out with a basic "multisite-test" _branch_ at Github's 
"incubator-netbeans-website" [2].


The idea of this branch is to be able to consolidate different 
NetBeans subdomains as different directories (currently 
"bits.netbeans.org" and "netbeans.apache.org"), and create scripts for 
generating _static_ content for those different websites. Currently we 
have:


- bits.netbeans.org
 Currently builds the javadoc from sources.

- netbeans.apache.org
 - Has some basic content from current Confluence pages.
 - As posted to the list in december we chose the Foundation 6 
framework as a, well, foundation, and Neil modified it with some 
proper SCSS structure [3] to fit our needs.
 - We've also added the wiki pages. We may set up a different repo 
for these in the future, though.
 - We've uploaded the result of this static site to 
https://netbeans.vieiro.net for you to see live (note: the "see this 
page in github" won't work until/if this branch merges to master).


So to summarize, the objectives are:

1. Have all NetBeans websites in a single repo, with different folders 
for each. Maybe we want to share stuff among them in the future.

2. Have some scripts to build static content for those websites.
3. For web sites, make them comply with Apache's guidelines for web 
sites [4]


If you think the idea is good enough then we may merge that branch 
into master and start migrating content, and/or creating different 
subdirectories for other websites (such as the plugin portal, for 
instance).


So, please, say yes or no to keep this path of work. Some other ideas 
would also we welcome.


Kind regards,
Antonio


[1]
https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website-cleanup

[2]
https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/tree/multisite-test

We've used asciidoc, but Wade's script supports markdown and html as 
well. An example asciidoc file, as rendered by github, can be seen here:


https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/blob/multisite-test/netbeans.apache.org/src/content/download/index.asciidoc 



[3]
Neil's impressive SCSS organization is here:
https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/tree/multisite-test/netbeans.apache.org/src/content/scss 



(note: some low quality scss stuff in there is my fault, not Neil's)

[4]

Apache Navigation Links Policy
https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs#navigation

Incubator Branding Guide
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Re: A NetBeans website proposal

[Neil C Smith]

On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 at 16:54 Wade Chandler  wrote:

> You can see the history and all here without signing up:
>
> https://netbeans.slackarchive.io


Thanks!  Hadn't realised that was there - in which case that might actually
be a better link off from the website considering it also offers a link to
sign up?


> I think if one uses Slack for any period of time they will find it the best
> chat experience even over HipChat (and others), but definitely over Gitter.
> I am definitely biased having used many of them and finding Slack just does
> it right; IMO of course.
>

Oh, I generally hate all of them - I'm no longer one of the cool kids - I
like my email! ;-)  Still, it was the (perceived) lack of publicly readable
and archived content that bothered me mostly.  My personal preference for
Gitter stems from that (and the embedding potential / move to open-source)

Best wishes,

Neil


-- 
Neil C Smith
Artist & Technologist
www.neilcsmith.net

Praxis LIVE - hybrid visual IDE for creative coding - www.praxislive.org

Re: A NetBeans website proposal

[Wade Chandler]

On Feb 23, 2018 11:16, "Neil C Smith"  wrote:


That has been there for a while.  I'd much prefer Gitter if we're going to
have one (and not sure if it's a good idea or not) because it's visible
without signing up.


You can see the history and all here without signing up:

https://netbeans.slackarchive.io

Too, notice the channel layout for topic separation. We also have IRC and
Slack integration to service both there.

I think if one uses Slack for any period of time they will find it the best
chat experience even over HipChat (and others), but definitely over Gitter.
I am definitely biased having used many of them and finding Slack just does
it right; IMO of course.

Thanks

Wade

Re: A NetBeans website proposal

[Antonio]

Hi again,

Needless to say: feel free to submit PRs against the multisite-test 
branch. Note that if nobody opposes it will dissappear within 72 hours, 
though, merged to master.


Cheers,
Antonio

On 23/02/18 16:06, Antonio Vieiro wrote:

If nobody argues against the branch I think we could merge it into
master in, say, 72 hours or so.

After that all merges are indeed welcome. A NetBeans features page is
indeed missing. Some nice screenshots of the IDE and some more from
other products built on top of the platform would be most welcome.

That includes Neil's IDE, of course!!


2018-02-23 13:46 GMT+01:00 Christian Lenz <christian.l...@gmx.net>:

I like the great work too. Atm as I said often, I don’t have much time to 
begin. My first draft was the page which is online at netbeans.apache.org. I 
will dive into all of the stuff later, when I see smth that I can/will fix. But 
for the Moment, great work. I will discuss with you too but not implementing. 
Maybe we can merge some parts of my page to the new draft of you. To Show the 
Features of NetBeans.

Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10

Von: Ate Douma
Gesendet: Freitag, 23. Februar 2018 13:42
An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Betreff: Re: A NetBeans website proposal

Great work!

The only important and required change needed AFAICT concerns the
download page [1].
There is a dedicated page with the ASF requirements for that at [2].
What needs to be added is, besides links to the distributions itself,
also links to the KEYS, sigs, hashes files, and a reminder for users to
check sums and signatures.
Just follow the instructions at [2] to get [1] aligned, and I think this
looks good to 'go live'!

Regards,
Ate

[1] https://netbeans.vieiro.net/download/index.html
[2] http://www.apache.org/dev/release-download-pages.html

On 2018-02-23 08:19, Antonio wrote:

Hi all,

Wade, Tim, Neil, Jirka, Geertjan and I have been doing some experiments
regarding the NetBeans website.

As you probably know, the current NetBeans website comprises many
different webs: we have "bits.netbeans.org" for APIs, "netbeans.org" for
main content, "plugins.netbeans.org" for the Plugin Portal,
"wiki.netbeans.org" for the wiki, and there're a few more subdomains.

The current "netbeans.org" website is quite big. As you already know,
Wade consolidated it in github's
"apache/incubator-netbeans-website-cleanup" [1] repo, and added a Gradle
build system that uses JBake to generate static content, where content
is markdown/asciidoc/html with some additional files.

As the migration is going to take time, and will require Oracle
reviewing IP clearance for the content, we thought we could start a
simpler "netbeans.apache.org" website that uses the same Wade's scripts.
We then could add content gradually, as Oracle passes the IP clearance
procedures.

So we came out with a basic "multisite-test" _branch_ at Github's
"incubator-netbeans-website" [2].

The idea of this branch is to be able to consolidate different NetBeans
subdomains as different directories (currently "bits.netbeans.org" and
"netbeans.apache.org"), and create scripts for generating _static_
content for those different websites. Currently we have:

- bits.netbeans.org
  Currently builds the javadoc from sources.

- netbeans.apache.org
  - Has some basic content from current Confluence pages.
  - As posted to the list in december we chose the Foundation 6
framework as a, well, foundation, and Neil modified it with some proper
SCSS structure [3] to fit our needs.
  - We've also added the wiki pages. We may set up a different repo
for these in the future, though.
  - We've uploaded the result of this static site to
https://netbeans.vieiro.net for you to see live (note: the "see this
page in github" won't work until/if this branch merges to master).

So to summarize, the objectives are:

1. Have all NetBeans websites in a single repo, with different folders
for each. Maybe we want to share stuff among them in the future.
2. Have some scripts to build static content for those websites.
3. For web sites, make them comply with Apache's guidelines for web
sites [4]

If you think the idea is good enough then we may merge that branch into
master and start migrating content, and/or creating different
subdirectories for other websites (such as the plugin portal, for
instance).

So, please, say yes or no to keep this path of work. Some other ideas
would also we welcome.

Kind regards,
Antonio


[1]
https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website-cleanup

[2]
https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/tree/multisite-test

We've used asciidoc, but Wade's script supports markdown and html as
well. An example asciidoc file, as rendered by github, can be seen here:

https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/blob/multisite-test/netbeans.apache.org/src/content/download/index.a

Re: A NetBeans website proposal

[Neil C Smith]

On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 at 16:11 cowwoc  wrote:

> I don't know if anyone else noticed this, but clicking "See this page in
> github" on the landing page results in a HTTP 404.
>

That is also explained in the original email I think?  Until this is in
master it won't work.

Aside from that, looks great. I especially like that you guys added a
> chat channel (slack). That will come in very useful.
>

That has been there for a while.  I'd much prefer Gitter if we're going to
have one (and not sure if it's a good idea or not) because it's visible
without signing up.

Best wishes,

Neil
-- 
Neil C Smith
Artist & Technologist
www.neilcsmith.net

Praxis LIVE - hybrid visual IDE for creative coding - www.praxislive.org

Re: A NetBeans website proposal

[cowwoc]

Sorry, I missed that.

I don't know if anyone else noticed this, but clicking "See this page in 
github" on the landing page results in a HTTP 404.


Aside from that, looks great. I especially like that you guys added a 
chat channel (slack). That will come in very useful.


Gili

On 2018-02-23 11:03 AM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:

https://netbeans.vieiro.net, as stated by Antonio at the start of this
thread.

Gj

On Friday, February 23, 2018, cowwoc <cow...@bbs.darktech.org> wrote:


Is it possible to preview a live version of this website?

Gili

On 2018-02-23 10:06 AM, Antonio Vieiro wrote:


If nobody argues against the branch I think we could merge it into
master in, say, 72 hours or so.

After that all merges are indeed welcome. A NetBeans features page is
indeed missing. Some nice screenshots of the IDE and some more from
other products built on top of the platform would be most welcome.

That includes Neil's IDE, of course!!


2018-02-23 13:46 GMT+01:00 Christian Lenz <christian.l...@gmx.net>:


I like the great work too. Atm as I said often, I don’t have much time
to begin. My first draft was the page which is online at
netbeans.apache.org. I will dive into all of the stuff later, when I
see smth that I can/will fix. But for the Moment, great work. I will
discuss with you too but not implementing. Maybe we can merge some parts of
my page to the new draft of you. To Show the Features of NetBeans.

Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10

Von: Ate Douma
Gesendet: Freitag, 23. Februar 2018 13:42
An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Betreff: Re: A NetBeans website proposal

Great work!

The only important and required change needed AFAICT concerns the
download page [1].
There is a dedicated page with the ASF requirements for that at [2].
What needs to be added is, besides links to the distributions itself,
also links to the KEYS, sigs, hashes files, and a reminder for users to
check sums and signatures.
Just follow the instructions at [2] to get [1] aligned, and I think this
looks good to 'go live'!

Regards,
Ate

[1] https://netbeans.vieiro.net/download/index.html
[2] http://www.apache.org/dev/release-download-pages.html

On 2018-02-23 08:19, Antonio wrote:


Hi all,

Wade, Tim, Neil, Jirka, Geertjan and I have been doing some experiments
regarding the NetBeans website.

As you probably know, the current NetBeans website comprises many
different webs: we have "bits.netbeans.org" for APIs, "netbeans.org"
for
main content, "plugins.netbeans.org" for the Plugin Portal,
"wiki.netbeans.org" for the wiki, and there're a few more subdomains.

The current "netbeans.org" website is quite big. As you already know,
Wade consolidated it in github's
"apache/incubator-netbeans-website-cleanup" [1] repo, and added a
Gradle
build system that uses JBake to generate static content, where content
is markdown/asciidoc/html with some additional files.

As the migration is going to take time, and will require Oracle
reviewing IP clearance for the content, we thought we could start a
simpler "netbeans.apache.org" website that uses the same Wade's
scripts.
We then could add content gradually, as Oracle passes the IP clearance
procedures.

So we came out with a basic "multisite-test" _branch_ at Github's
"incubator-netbeans-website" [2].

The idea of this branch is to be able to consolidate different NetBeans
subdomains as different directories (currently "bits.netbeans.org" and
"netbeans.apache.org"), and create scripts for generating _static_
content for those different websites. Currently we have:

- bits.netbeans.org
   Currently builds the javadoc from sources.

- netbeans.apache.org
   - Has some basic content from current Confluence pages.
   - As posted to the list in december we chose the Foundation 6
framework as a, well, foundation, and Neil modified it with some proper
SCSS structure [3] to fit our needs.
   - We've also added the wiki pages. We may set up a different repo
for these in the future, though.
   - We've uploaded the result of this static site to
https://netbeans.vieiro.net for you to see live (note: the "see this
page in github" won't work until/if this branch merges to master).

So to summarize, the objectives are:

1. Have all NetBeans websites in a single repo, with different folders
for each. Maybe we want to share stuff among them in the future.
2. Have some scripts to build static content for those websites.
3. For web sites, make them comply with Apache's guidelines for web
sites [4]

If you think the idea is good enough then we may merge that branch into
master and start migrating content, and/or creating different
subdirectories for other websites (such as the plugin portal, for
instance).

So, please, say yes or no to keep this path of work. Some other ideas
would also we welcome.

Kind regards,
Antonio


[1]
https://github.com

Re: A NetBeans website proposal

[Geertjan Wielenga]

https://netbeans.vieiro.net, as stated by Antonio at the start of this
thread.

Gj

On Friday, February 23, 2018, cowwoc <cow...@bbs.darktech.org> wrote:

> Is it possible to preview a live version of this website?
>
> Gili
>
> On 2018-02-23 10:06 AM, Antonio Vieiro wrote:
>
>> If nobody argues against the branch I think we could merge it into
>> master in, say, 72 hours or so.
>>
>> After that all merges are indeed welcome. A NetBeans features page is
>> indeed missing. Some nice screenshots of the IDE and some more from
>> other products built on top of the platform would be most welcome.
>>
>> That includes Neil's IDE, of course!!
>>
>>
>> 2018-02-23 13:46 GMT+01:00 Christian Lenz <christian.l...@gmx.net>:
>>
>>> I like the great work too. Atm as I said often, I don’t have much time
>>> to begin. My first draft was the page which is online at
>>> netbeans.apache.org. I will dive into all of the stuff later, when I
>>> see smth that I can/will fix. But for the Moment, great work. I will
>>> discuss with you too but not implementing. Maybe we can merge some parts of
>>> my page to the new draft of you. To Show the Features of NetBeans.
>>>
>>> Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10
>>>
>>> Von: Ate Douma
>>> Gesendet: Freitag, 23. Februar 2018 13:42
>>> An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
>>> Betreff: Re: A NetBeans website proposal
>>>
>>> Great work!
>>>
>>> The only important and required change needed AFAICT concerns the
>>> download page [1].
>>> There is a dedicated page with the ASF requirements for that at [2].
>>> What needs to be added is, besides links to the distributions itself,
>>> also links to the KEYS, sigs, hashes files, and a reminder for users to
>>> check sums and signatures.
>>> Just follow the instructions at [2] to get [1] aligned, and I think this
>>> looks good to 'go live'!
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Ate
>>>
>>> [1] https://netbeans.vieiro.net/download/index.html
>>> [2] http://www.apache.org/dev/release-download-pages.html
>>>
>>> On 2018-02-23 08:19, Antonio wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> Wade, Tim, Neil, Jirka, Geertjan and I have been doing some experiments
>>>> regarding the NetBeans website.
>>>>
>>>> As you probably know, the current NetBeans website comprises many
>>>> different webs: we have "bits.netbeans.org" for APIs, "netbeans.org"
>>>> for
>>>> main content, "plugins.netbeans.org" for the Plugin Portal,
>>>> "wiki.netbeans.org" for the wiki, and there're a few more subdomains.
>>>>
>>>> The current "netbeans.org" website is quite big. As you already know,
>>>> Wade consolidated it in github's
>>>> "apache/incubator-netbeans-website-cleanup" [1] repo, and added a
>>>> Gradle
>>>> build system that uses JBake to generate static content, where content
>>>> is markdown/asciidoc/html with some additional files.
>>>>
>>>> As the migration is going to take time, and will require Oracle
>>>> reviewing IP clearance for the content, we thought we could start a
>>>> simpler "netbeans.apache.org" website that uses the same Wade's
>>>> scripts.
>>>> We then could add content gradually, as Oracle passes the IP clearance
>>>> procedures.
>>>>
>>>> So we came out with a basic "multisite-test" _branch_ at Github's
>>>> "incubator-netbeans-website" [2].
>>>>
>>>> The idea of this branch is to be able to consolidate different NetBeans
>>>> subdomains as different directories (currently "bits.netbeans.org" and
>>>> "netbeans.apache.org"), and create scripts for generating _static_
>>>> content for those different websites. Currently we have:
>>>>
>>>> - bits.netbeans.org
>>>>   Currently builds the javadoc from sources.
>>>>
>>>> - netbeans.apache.org
>>>>   - Has some basic content from current Confluence pages.
>>>>   - As posted to the list in december we chose the Foundation 6
>>>> framework as a, well, foundation, and Neil modified it with some proper
>>>> SCSS structure [3] to fit our needs.
>>>>   - We've also added the wiki pages. We may set up a different repo
>>>

Re: A NetBeans website proposal

[cowwoc]

Is it possible to preview a live version of this website?

Gili

On 2018-02-23 10:06 AM, Antonio Vieiro wrote:

If nobody argues against the branch I think we could merge it into
master in, say, 72 hours or so.

After that all merges are indeed welcome. A NetBeans features page is
indeed missing. Some nice screenshots of the IDE and some more from
other products built on top of the platform would be most welcome.

That includes Neil's IDE, of course!!


2018-02-23 13:46 GMT+01:00 Christian Lenz <christian.l...@gmx.net>:

I like the great work too. Atm as I said often, I don’t have much time to 
begin. My first draft was the page which is online at netbeans.apache.org. I 
will dive into all of the stuff later, when I see smth that I can/will fix. But 
for the Moment, great work. I will discuss with you too but not implementing. 
Maybe we can merge some parts of my page to the new draft of you. To Show the 
Features of NetBeans.

Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10

Von: Ate Douma
Gesendet: Freitag, 23. Februar 2018 13:42
An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Betreff: Re: A NetBeans website proposal

Great work!

The only important and required change needed AFAICT concerns the
download page [1].
There is a dedicated page with the ASF requirements for that at [2].
What needs to be added is, besides links to the distributions itself,
also links to the KEYS, sigs, hashes files, and a reminder for users to
check sums and signatures.
Just follow the instructions at [2] to get [1] aligned, and I think this
looks good to 'go live'!

Regards,
Ate

[1] https://netbeans.vieiro.net/download/index.html
[2] http://www.apache.org/dev/release-download-pages.html

On 2018-02-23 08:19, Antonio wrote:

Hi all,

Wade, Tim, Neil, Jirka, Geertjan and I have been doing some experiments
regarding the NetBeans website.

As you probably know, the current NetBeans website comprises many
different webs: we have "bits.netbeans.org" for APIs, "netbeans.org" for
main content, "plugins.netbeans.org" for the Plugin Portal,
"wiki.netbeans.org" for the wiki, and there're a few more subdomains.

The current "netbeans.org" website is quite big. As you already know,
Wade consolidated it in github's
"apache/incubator-netbeans-website-cleanup" [1] repo, and added a Gradle
build system that uses JBake to generate static content, where content
is markdown/asciidoc/html with some additional files.

As the migration is going to take time, and will require Oracle
reviewing IP clearance for the content, we thought we could start a
simpler "netbeans.apache.org" website that uses the same Wade's scripts.
We then could add content gradually, as Oracle passes the IP clearance
procedures.

So we came out with a basic "multisite-test" _branch_ at Github's
"incubator-netbeans-website" [2].

The idea of this branch is to be able to consolidate different NetBeans
subdomains as different directories (currently "bits.netbeans.org" and
"netbeans.apache.org"), and create scripts for generating _static_
content for those different websites. Currently we have:

- bits.netbeans.org
  Currently builds the javadoc from sources.

- netbeans.apache.org
  - Has some basic content from current Confluence pages.
  - As posted to the list in december we chose the Foundation 6
framework as a, well, foundation, and Neil modified it with some proper
SCSS structure [3] to fit our needs.
  - We've also added the wiki pages. We may set up a different repo
for these in the future, though.
  - We've uploaded the result of this static site to
https://netbeans.vieiro.net for you to see live (note: the "see this
page in github" won't work until/if this branch merges to master).

So to summarize, the objectives are:

1. Have all NetBeans websites in a single repo, with different folders
for each. Maybe we want to share stuff among them in the future.
2. Have some scripts to build static content for those websites.
3. For web sites, make them comply with Apache's guidelines for web
sites [4]

If you think the idea is good enough then we may merge that branch into
master and start migrating content, and/or creating different
subdirectories for other websites (such as the plugin portal, for
instance).

So, please, say yes or no to keep this path of work. Some other ideas
would also we welcome.

Kind regards,
Antonio


[1]
https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website-cleanup

[2]
https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/tree/multisite-test

We've used asciidoc, but Wade's script supports markdown and html as
well. An example asciidoc file, as rendered by github, can be seen here:

https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/blob/multisite-test/netbeans.apache.org/src/content/download/index.asciidoc


[3]
Neil's impressive SCSS organization is here:
https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/tree/multisite

Re: A NetBeans website proposal

[Neil C Smith]

On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 at 15:10 Antonio Vieiro  wrote:

> I can't tell which parts/sections are more important. Should we start
> with the tutorials? The plugin portal? A platform specific page?
>
>
Just to note that the plugin portal issue (
https://issues.apache.org/jira/projects/NETBEANS/issues/NETBEANS-201 ) is
currently pending a query to infra about being able to host the existing
plugin portal.

Best wishes,

Neil
-- 
Neil C Smith
Artist & Technologist
www.neilcsmith.net

Praxis LIVE - hybrid visual IDE for creative coding - www.praxislive.org

Re: A NetBeans website proposal

[Neil C Smith]

On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 at 15:02 Antonio Vieiro  wrote:

> Thanks, for the links, I'll send a PR against
> incubator-netbeans-website (multisite-test) branch later on with some
> updates.
>

One minor thing I noticed after I put in my PR, if you're happy doing it,
is the Downloads link in the front page hero should probably go to the
Downloads page like the rest?

Thanks for putting the licenses in the scss by the way - can't believe I
missed that! ;-)

Best wishes,

Neil
-- 
Neil C Smith
Artist & Technologist
www.neilcsmith.net

Praxis LIVE - hybrid visual IDE for creative coding - www.praxislive.org

Re: A NetBeans website proposal

[Antonio Vieiro]

AFAIK Oracle has few resources doing IP clearance, so we can't really
set the timelines.

But maybe we can help them chunking the current website in smaller,
more easy to process parts.

I can't tell which parts/sections are more important. Should we start
with the tutorials? The plugin portal? A platform specific page?

Opinions, ideas (and volunteers) are welcome.

Cheers,
Antonio


2018-02-23 13:12 GMT+01:00 Peter Steele :
> Looks good, what timelines do you have for the migration?
>
> On 23 Feb 2018 12:11, "Josh Juneau"  wrote:
>
>> Great work!
>>
>> Josh Juneau
>> j
>>
>> > On Feb 23, 2018, at 1:19 AM, Antonio  wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > Wade, Tim, Neil, Jirka, Geertjan and I have been doing some experiments
>> regarding the NetBeans website.
>> >
>> > As you probably know, the current NetBeans website comprises many
>> different webs: we have "bits.netbeans.org" for APIs, "netbeans.org" for
>> main content, "plugins.netbeans.org" for the Plugin Portal, "
>> wiki.netbeans.org" for the wiki, and there're a few more subdomains.
>> >
>> > The current "netbeans.org" website is quite big. As you already know,
>> Wade consolidated it in github's "apache/incubator-netbeans-website-cleanup"
>> [1] repo, and added a Gradle build system that uses JBake to generate
>> static content, where content is markdown/asciidoc/html with some
>> additional files.
>> >
>> > As the migration is going to take time, and will require Oracle
>> reviewing IP clearance for the content, we thought we could start a simpler
>> "netbeans.apache.org" website that uses the same Wade's scripts. We then
>> could add content gradually, as Oracle passes the IP clearance procedures.
>> >
>> > So we came out with a basic "multisite-test" _branch_ at Github's
>> "incubator-netbeans-website" [2].
>> >
>> > The idea of this branch is to be able to consolidate different NetBeans
>> subdomains as different directories (currently "bits.netbeans.org" and "
>> netbeans.apache.org"), and create scripts for generating _static_ content
>> for those different websites. Currently we have:
>> >
>> > - bits.netbeans.org
>> >Currently builds the javadoc from sources.
>> >
>> > - netbeans.apache.org
>> >- Has some basic content from current Confluence pages.
>> >- As posted to the list in december we chose the Foundation 6
>> framework as a, well, foundation, and Neil modified it with some proper
>> SCSS structure [3] to fit our needs.
>> >- We've also added the wiki pages. We may set up a different repo for
>> these in the future, though.
>> >- We've uploaded the result of this static site to
>> https://netbeans.vieiro.net for you to see live (note: the "see this page
>> in github" won't work until/if this branch merges to master).
>> >
>> > So to summarize, the objectives are:
>> >
>> > 1. Have all NetBeans websites in a single repo, with different folders
>> for each. Maybe we want to share stuff among them in the future.
>> > 2. Have some scripts to build static content for those websites.
>> > 3. For web sites, make them comply with Apache's guidelines for web
>> sites [4]
>> >
>> > If you think the idea is good enough then we may merge that branch into
>> master and start migrating content, and/or creating different
>> subdirectories for other websites (such as the plugin portal, for instance).
>> >
>> > So, please, say yes or no to keep this path of work. Some other ideas
>> would also we welcome.
>> >
>> > Kind regards,
>> > Antonio
>> >
>> >
>> > [1]
>> > https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website-cleanup
>> >
>> > [2]
>> > https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/tree/multisite-test
>> >
>> > We've used asciidoc, but Wade's script supports markdown and html as
>> well. An example asciidoc file, as rendered by github, can be seen here:
>> >
>> > https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/
>> blob/multisite-test/netbeans.apache.org/src/content/
>> download/index.asciidoc
>> >
>> > [3]
>> > Neil's impressive SCSS organization is here:
>> > https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/
>> tree/multisite-test/netbeans.apache.org/src/content/scss
>> >
>> > (note: some low quality scss stuff in there is my fault, not Neil's)
>> >
>> > [4]
>> >
>> > Apache Navigation Links Policy
>> > https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs#navigation
>> >
>> > Incubator Branding Guide
>> > http://incubator.apache.org/guides/branding.html
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Re: A NetBeans website proposal

[Antonio Vieiro]

If nobody argues against the branch I think we could merge it into
master in, say, 72 hours or so.

After that all merges are indeed welcome. A NetBeans features page is
indeed missing. Some nice screenshots of the IDE and some more from
other products built on top of the platform would be most welcome.

That includes Neil's IDE, of course!!


2018-02-23 13:46 GMT+01:00 Christian Lenz <christian.l...@gmx.net>:
> I like the great work too. Atm as I said often, I don’t have much time to 
> begin. My first draft was the page which is online at netbeans.apache.org. I 
> will dive into all of the stuff later, when I see smth that I can/will fix. 
> But for the Moment, great work. I will discuss with you too but not 
> implementing. Maybe we can merge some parts of my page to the new draft of 
> you. To Show the Features of NetBeans.
>
> Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10
>
> Von: Ate Douma
> Gesendet: Freitag, 23. Februar 2018 13:42
> An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> Betreff: Re: A NetBeans website proposal
>
> Great work!
>
> The only important and required change needed AFAICT concerns the
> download page [1].
> There is a dedicated page with the ASF requirements for that at [2].
> What needs to be added is, besides links to the distributions itself,
> also links to the KEYS, sigs, hashes files, and a reminder for users to
> check sums and signatures.
> Just follow the instructions at [2] to get [1] aligned, and I think this
> looks good to 'go live'!
>
> Regards,
> Ate
>
> [1] https://netbeans.vieiro.net/download/index.html
> [2] http://www.apache.org/dev/release-download-pages.html
>
> On 2018-02-23 08:19, Antonio wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Wade, Tim, Neil, Jirka, Geertjan and I have been doing some experiments
>> regarding the NetBeans website.
>>
>> As you probably know, the current NetBeans website comprises many
>> different webs: we have "bits.netbeans.org" for APIs, "netbeans.org" for
>> main content, "plugins.netbeans.org" for the Plugin Portal,
>> "wiki.netbeans.org" for the wiki, and there're a few more subdomains.
>>
>> The current "netbeans.org" website is quite big. As you already know,
>> Wade consolidated it in github's
>> "apache/incubator-netbeans-website-cleanup" [1] repo, and added a Gradle
>> build system that uses JBake to generate static content, where content
>> is markdown/asciidoc/html with some additional files.
>>
>> As the migration is going to take time, and will require Oracle
>> reviewing IP clearance for the content, we thought we could start a
>> simpler "netbeans.apache.org" website that uses the same Wade's scripts.
>> We then could add content gradually, as Oracle passes the IP clearance
>> procedures.
>>
>> So we came out with a basic "multisite-test" _branch_ at Github's
>> "incubator-netbeans-website" [2].
>>
>> The idea of this branch is to be able to consolidate different NetBeans
>> subdomains as different directories (currently "bits.netbeans.org" and
>> "netbeans.apache.org"), and create scripts for generating _static_
>> content for those different websites. Currently we have:
>>
>> - bits.netbeans.org
>>  Currently builds the javadoc from sources.
>>
>> - netbeans.apache.org
>>  - Has some basic content from current Confluence pages.
>>  - As posted to the list in december we chose the Foundation 6
>> framework as a, well, foundation, and Neil modified it with some proper
>> SCSS structure [3] to fit our needs.
>>  - We've also added the wiki pages. We may set up a different repo
>> for these in the future, though.
>>  - We've uploaded the result of this static site to
>> https://netbeans.vieiro.net for you to see live (note: the "see this
>> page in github" won't work until/if this branch merges to master).
>>
>> So to summarize, the objectives are:
>>
>> 1. Have all NetBeans websites in a single repo, with different folders
>> for each. Maybe we want to share stuff among them in the future.
>> 2. Have some scripts to build static content for those websites.
>> 3. For web sites, make them comply with Apache's guidelines for web
>> sites [4]
>>
>> If you think the idea is good enough then we may merge that branch into
>> master and start migrating content, and/or creating different
>> subdirectories for other websites (such as the plugin portal, for
>> instance).
>>
>> So, please, say yes or no to keep this path of work. Some other ideas
>> would also we welcome.
>>
>

Re: A NetBeans website proposal

[Antonio Vieiro]

Thanks, for the links, I'll send a PR against
incubator-netbeans-website (multisite-test) branch later on with some
updates.

We do need this kind of help at the beginning: finding out what the
"Apache way" is is important. The sooner we adhere to the conventions
the better.

Thanks again,
Antonio

2018-02-23 13:42 GMT+01:00 Ate Douma :
> Great work!
>
> The only important and required change needed AFAICT concerns the
> download page [1].
> There is a dedicated page with the ASF requirements for that at [2].
> What needs to be added is, besides links to the distributions itself,
> also links to the KEYS, sigs, hashes files, and a reminder for users to
> check sums and signatures.
> Just follow the instructions at [2] to get [1] aligned, and I think this
> looks good to 'go live'!
>
> Regards,
> Ate
>
> [1] https://netbeans.vieiro.net/download/index.html
> [2] http://www.apache.org/dev/release-download-pages.html
>
>
> On 2018-02-23 08:19, Antonio wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Wade, Tim, Neil, Jirka, Geertjan and I have been doing some experiments
>> regarding the NetBeans website.
>>
>> As you probably know, the current NetBeans website comprises many
>> different webs: we have "bits.netbeans.org" for APIs, "netbeans.org" for
>> main content, "plugins.netbeans.org" for the Plugin Portal,
>> "wiki.netbeans.org" for the wiki, and there're a few more subdomains.
>>
>> The current "netbeans.org" website is quite big. As you already know, Wade
>> consolidated it in github's "apache/incubator-netbeans-website-cleanup" [1]
>> repo, and added a Gradle build system that uses JBake to generate static
>> content, where content is markdown/asciidoc/html with some additional files.
>>
>> As the migration is going to take time, and will require Oracle reviewing
>> IP clearance for the content, we thought we could start a simpler
>> "netbeans.apache.org" website that uses the same Wade's scripts. We then
>> could add content gradually, as Oracle passes the IP clearance procedures.
>>
>> So we came out with a basic "multisite-test" _branch_ at Github's
>> "incubator-netbeans-website" [2].
>>
>> The idea of this branch is to be able to consolidate different NetBeans
>> subdomains as different directories (currently "bits.netbeans.org" and
>> "netbeans.apache.org"), and create scripts for generating _static_ content
>> for those different websites. Currently we have:
>>
>> - bits.netbeans.org
>>  Currently builds the javadoc from sources.
>>
>> - netbeans.apache.org
>>  - Has some basic content from current Confluence pages.
>>  - As posted to the list in december we chose the Foundation 6
>> framework as a, well, foundation, and Neil modified it with some proper SCSS
>> structure [3] to fit our needs.
>>  - We've also added the wiki pages. We may set up a different repo for
>> these in the future, though.
>>  - We've uploaded the result of this static site to
>> https://netbeans.vieiro.net for you to see live (note: the "see this page in
>> github" won't work until/if this branch merges to master).
>>
>> So to summarize, the objectives are:
>>
>> 1. Have all NetBeans websites in a single repo, with different folders for
>> each. Maybe we want to share stuff among them in the future.
>> 2. Have some scripts to build static content for those websites.
>> 3. For web sites, make them comply with Apache's guidelines for web sites
>> [4]
>>
>> If you think the idea is good enough then we may merge that branch into
>> master and start migrating content, and/or creating different subdirectories
>> for other websites (such as the plugin portal, for instance).
>>
>> So, please, say yes or no to keep this path of work. Some other ideas
>> would also we welcome.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Antonio
>>
>>
>> [1]
>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website-cleanup
>>
>> [2]
>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/tree/multisite-test
>>
>> We've used asciidoc, but Wade's script supports markdown and html as well.
>> An example asciidoc file, as rendered by github, can be seen here:
>>
>>
>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/blob/multisite-test/netbeans.apache.org/src/content/download/index.asciidoc
>>
>> [3]
>> Neil's impressive SCSS organization is here:
>>
>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/tree/multisite-test/netbeans.apache.org/src/content/scss
>>
>> (note: some low quality scss stuff in there is my fault, not Neil's)
>>
>> [4]
>>
>> Apache Navigation Links Policy
>> https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs#navigation
>>
>> Incubator Branding Guide
>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/branding.html
>>
>>
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Re: A NetBeans website proposal

[Bertrand Delacretaz]

Hi,

On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 1:42 PM, Ate Douma  wrote:
> ...There is a dedicated page with the ASF requirements for that at [2].
> What needs to be added is, besides links to the distributions itself,
> also links to the KEYS, sigs, hashes files, and a reminder for users to
> check sums and signatures...

FWIW the Sling website is also generated with JBake, if you want to
steal^H^H^H^H take inspiration from it see

https://github.com/apache/sling-site/blob/master/src/main/jbake/content/downloads.md

https://github.com/apache/sling-site/blob/master/src/main/jbake/templates/downloads.tpl

-Bertrand

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Re: A NetBeans website proposal

[Ate Douma]

Great work!

The only important and required change needed AFAICT concerns the
download page [1].
There is a dedicated page with the ASF requirements for that at [2].
What needs to be added is, besides links to the distributions itself,
also links to the KEYS, sigs, hashes files, and a reminder for users to
check sums and signatures.
Just follow the instructions at [2] to get [1] aligned, and I think this
looks good to 'go live'!

Regards,
Ate

[1] https://netbeans.vieiro.net/download/index.html
[2] http://www.apache.org/dev/release-download-pages.html

On 2018-02-23 08:19, Antonio wrote:

Hi all,

Wade, Tim, Neil, Jirka, Geertjan and I have been doing some experiments 
regarding the NetBeans website.


As you probably know, the current NetBeans website comprises many 
different webs: we have "bits.netbeans.org" for APIs, "netbeans.org" for 
main content, "plugins.netbeans.org" for the Plugin Portal, 
"wiki.netbeans.org" for the wiki, and there're a few more subdomains.


The current "netbeans.org" website is quite big. As you already know, 
Wade consolidated it in github's 
"apache/incubator-netbeans-website-cleanup" [1] repo, and added a Gradle 
build system that uses JBake to generate static content, where content 
is markdown/asciidoc/html with some additional files.


As the migration is going to take time, and will require Oracle 
reviewing IP clearance for the content, we thought we could start a 
simpler "netbeans.apache.org" website that uses the same Wade's scripts. 
We then could add content gradually, as Oracle passes the IP clearance 
procedures.


So we came out with a basic "multisite-test" _branch_ at Github's 
"incubator-netbeans-website" [2].


The idea of this branch is to be able to consolidate different NetBeans 
subdomains as different directories (currently "bits.netbeans.org" and 
"netbeans.apache.org"), and create scripts for generating _static_ 
content for those different websites. Currently we have:


- bits.netbeans.org
     Currently builds the javadoc from sources.

- netbeans.apache.org
     - Has some basic content from current Confluence pages.
     - As posted to the list in december we chose the Foundation 6 
framework as a, well, foundation, and Neil modified it with some proper 
SCSS structure [3] to fit our needs.
     - We've also added the wiki pages. We may set up a different repo 
for these in the future, though.
     - We've uploaded the result of this static site to 
https://netbeans.vieiro.net for you to see live (note: the "see this 
page in github" won't work until/if this branch merges to master).


So to summarize, the objectives are:

1. Have all NetBeans websites in a single repo, with different folders 
for each. Maybe we want to share stuff among them in the future.

2. Have some scripts to build static content for those websites.
3. For web sites, make them comply with Apache's guidelines for web 
sites [4]


If you think the idea is good enough then we may merge that branch into 
master and start migrating content, and/or creating different 
subdirectories for other websites (such as the plugin portal, for 
instance).


So, please, say yes or no to keep this path of work. Some other ideas 
would also we welcome.


Kind regards,
Antonio


[1]
https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website-cleanup

[2]
https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/tree/multisite-test

We've used asciidoc, but Wade's script supports markdown and html as 
well. An example asciidoc file, as rendered by github, can be seen here:


https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/blob/multisite-test/netbeans.apache.org/src/content/download/index.asciidoc 



[3]
Neil's impressive SCSS organization is here:
https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/tree/multisite-test/netbeans.apache.org/src/content/scss 



(note: some low quality scss stuff in there is my fault, not Neil's)

[4]

Apache Navigation Links Policy
https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs#navigation

Incubator Branding Guide
http://incubator.apache.org/guides/branding.html


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Re: A NetBeans website proposal

[Peter Steele]

Looks good, what timelines do you have for the migration?

On 23 Feb 2018 12:11, "Josh Juneau"  wrote:

> Great work!
>
> Josh Juneau
> j
>
> > On Feb 23, 2018, at 1:19 AM, Antonio  wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Wade, Tim, Neil, Jirka, Geertjan and I have been doing some experiments
> regarding the NetBeans website.
> >
> > As you probably know, the current NetBeans website comprises many
> different webs: we have "bits.netbeans.org" for APIs, "netbeans.org" for
> main content, "plugins.netbeans.org" for the Plugin Portal, "
> wiki.netbeans.org" for the wiki, and there're a few more subdomains.
> >
> > The current "netbeans.org" website is quite big. As you already know,
> Wade consolidated it in github's "apache/incubator-netbeans-website-cleanup"
> [1] repo, and added a Gradle build system that uses JBake to generate
> static content, where content is markdown/asciidoc/html with some
> additional files.
> >
> > As the migration is going to take time, and will require Oracle
> reviewing IP clearance for the content, we thought we could start a simpler
> "netbeans.apache.org" website that uses the same Wade's scripts. We then
> could add content gradually, as Oracle passes the IP clearance procedures.
> >
> > So we came out with a basic "multisite-test" _branch_ at Github's
> "incubator-netbeans-website" [2].
> >
> > The idea of this branch is to be able to consolidate different NetBeans
> subdomains as different directories (currently "bits.netbeans.org" and "
> netbeans.apache.org"), and create scripts for generating _static_ content
> for those different websites. Currently we have:
> >
> > - bits.netbeans.org
> >Currently builds the javadoc from sources.
> >
> > - netbeans.apache.org
> >- Has some basic content from current Confluence pages.
> >- As posted to the list in december we chose the Foundation 6
> framework as a, well, foundation, and Neil modified it with some proper
> SCSS structure [3] to fit our needs.
> >- We've also added the wiki pages. We may set up a different repo for
> these in the future, though.
> >- We've uploaded the result of this static site to
> https://netbeans.vieiro.net for you to see live (note: the "see this page
> in github" won't work until/if this branch merges to master).
> >
> > So to summarize, the objectives are:
> >
> > 1. Have all NetBeans websites in a single repo, with different folders
> for each. Maybe we want to share stuff among them in the future.
> > 2. Have some scripts to build static content for those websites.
> > 3. For web sites, make them comply with Apache's guidelines for web
> sites [4]
> >
> > If you think the idea is good enough then we may merge that branch into
> master and start migrating content, and/or creating different
> subdirectories for other websites (such as the plugin portal, for instance).
> >
> > So, please, say yes or no to keep this path of work. Some other ideas
> would also we welcome.
> >
> > Kind regards,
> > Antonio
> >
> >
> > [1]
> > https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website-cleanup
> >
> > [2]
> > https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/tree/multisite-test
> >
> > We've used asciidoc, but Wade's script supports markdown and html as
> well. An example asciidoc file, as rendered by github, can be seen here:
> >
> > https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/
> blob/multisite-test/netbeans.apache.org/src/content/
> download/index.asciidoc
> >
> > [3]
> > Neil's impressive SCSS organization is here:
> > https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/
> tree/multisite-test/netbeans.apache.org/src/content/scss
> >
> > (note: some low quality scss stuff in there is my fault, not Neil's)
> >
> > [4]
> >
> > Apache Navigation Links Policy
> > https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs#navigation
> >
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Re: A NetBeans website proposal

[Josh Juneau]

Great work!

Josh Juneau
j

> On Feb 23, 2018, at 1:19 AM, Antonio  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Wade, Tim, Neil, Jirka, Geertjan and I have been doing some experiments 
> regarding the NetBeans website.
> 
> As you probably know, the current NetBeans website comprises many different 
> webs: we have "bits.netbeans.org" for APIs, "netbeans.org" for main content, 
> "plugins.netbeans.org" for the Plugin Portal, "wiki.netbeans.org" for the 
> wiki, and there're a few more subdomains.
> 
> The current "netbeans.org" website is quite big. As you already know, Wade 
> consolidated it in github's "apache/incubator-netbeans-website-cleanup" [1] 
> repo, and added a Gradle build system that uses JBake to generate static 
> content, where content is markdown/asciidoc/html with some additional files.
> 
> As the migration is going to take time, and will require Oracle reviewing IP 
> clearance for the content, we thought we could start a simpler 
> "netbeans.apache.org" website that uses the same Wade's scripts. We then 
> could add content gradually, as Oracle passes the IP clearance procedures.
> 
> So we came out with a basic "multisite-test" _branch_ at Github's 
> "incubator-netbeans-website" [2].
> 
> The idea of this branch is to be able to consolidate different NetBeans 
> subdomains as different directories (currently "bits.netbeans.org" and 
> "netbeans.apache.org"), and create scripts for generating _static_ content 
> for those different websites. Currently we have:
> 
> - bits.netbeans.org
>Currently builds the javadoc from sources.
> 
> - netbeans.apache.org
>- Has some basic content from current Confluence pages.
>- As posted to the list in december we chose the Foundation 6 framework as 
> a, well, foundation, and Neil modified it with some proper SCSS structure [3] 
> to fit our needs.
>- We've also added the wiki pages. We may set up a different repo for 
> these in the future, though.
>- We've uploaded the result of this static site to 
> https://netbeans.vieiro.net for you to see live (note: the "see this page in 
> github" won't work until/if this branch merges to master).
> 
> So to summarize, the objectives are:
> 
> 1. Have all NetBeans websites in a single repo, with different folders for 
> each. Maybe we want to share stuff among them in the future.
> 2. Have some scripts to build static content for those websites.
> 3. For web sites, make them comply with Apache's guidelines for web sites [4]
> 
> If you think the idea is good enough then we may merge that branch into 
> master and start migrating content, and/or creating different subdirectories 
> for other websites (such as the plugin portal, for instance).
> 
> So, please, say yes or no to keep this path of work. Some other ideas would 
> also we welcome.
> 
> Kind regards,
> Antonio
> 
> 
> [1]
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website-cleanup
> 
> [2]
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/tree/multisite-test
> 
> We've used asciidoc, but Wade's script supports markdown and html as well. An 
> example asciidoc file, as rendered by github, can be seen here:
> 
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/blob/multisite-test/netbeans.apache.org/src/content/download/index.asciidoc
> 
> [3]
> Neil's impressive SCSS organization is here:
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/tree/multisite-test/netbeans.apache.org/src/content/scss
> 
> (note: some low quality scss stuff in there is my fault, not Neil's)
> 
> [4]
> 
> Apache Navigation Links Policy
> https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs#navigation
> 
> Incubator Branding Guide
> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/branding.html
> 
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Re: A NetBeans website proposal

[Sven Reimers]

Absolutely awesome

Thanks guys you rock!

Sven

On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 11:27 AM, Geertjan Wielenga <
geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> Fantastic work, especially by Wade, Antonio, and Neil.
>
> Gj
>
> On Friday, February 23, 2018, Bertrand Delacretaz 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 8:19 AM, Antonio  wrote:
> > > ...we thought we could start a simpler
> > > "netbeans.apache.org" website that uses the same Wade's scripts. We
> then
> > > could add content gradually, as Oracle passes the IP clearance
> > procedures...
> >
> > Sounds great - "release early, release often" also works for project
> > websites, definitely.
> >
> > -Bertrand
> >
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Re: A NetBeans website proposal

[Geertjan Wielenga]

Fantastic work, especially by Wade, Antonio, and Neil.

Gj

On Friday, February 23, 2018, Bertrand Delacretaz 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 8:19 AM, Antonio  wrote:
> > ...we thought we could start a simpler
> > "netbeans.apache.org" website that uses the same Wade's scripts. We then
> > could add content gradually, as Oracle passes the IP clearance
> procedures...
>
> Sounds great - "release early, release often" also works for project
> websites, definitely.
>
> -Bertrand
>
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Re: A NetBeans website proposal

[Bertrand Delacretaz]

Hi,

On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 8:19 AM, Antonio  wrote:
> ...we thought we could start a simpler
> "netbeans.apache.org" website that uses the same Wade's scripts. We then
> could add content gradually, as Oracle passes the IP clearance procedures...

Sounds great - "release early, release often" also works for project
websites, definitely.

-Bertrand

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