Re: The logo, once and for all? (was AW: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal))

2018-02-27 Thread Wade Chandler 
When we started this, and Chris did his icon, we had the NetBeans cube;
both the blue solid and the red empty sides versions. NB has had those cube
icons for decades at this point.

Webpack, at the time of his drawing, had a cube in a translucent cube. But,
did have the hexgon outline.

Has anyone see the latest Webpack logo? It seems to differ only in color,
as they have added boldness and contrast to the internal cube lines.

I think it would be fair to afford some time for some modification because
of this. Just some ideas: Some extra depth to the layer around the cube
could relate to the pieces from "Fits the pieces together" as well as "into
a new dimension". Maybe even adding some tilt to the hexagon to give it a
distinct shadow.

Wade


On Feb 26, 2018 06:06, "Antonio"  wrote:

> Hi Chris, all,
>
> The situation with the logo is that there was a voting at [1] somewhere in
> 2016, the most voted logo is not the one with colors, so using the one you
> suggest (with colors) instead of the most voted one does not seem to be
> very Apache compliant, as it would be against a voting result.
>
> Also in late 2017 we opened an Apache NetBeans logo contest at [2], which
> has not been closed yet. There has been a submission in early february 2018
> (i.e., a few days ago) from Junichi (see [3]), which is also pretty cool,
> IMHO, and also deserves our consideration.
>
> To end up the logo discussion once and for all I propose:
>
> - Announcing closing the contest within a few days.
> - Announce a voting in the mailing list, as per the Apache way.
>
> I know this is probably lots of bureaucracy, but that's how things are
> expected to work in this Apache world, AFAIK (and please correct me if I'm
> wrong).
>
> Kind regards,
> Antonio
>
> [1]
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/NetBeans+Logo
>
> [2]
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-145
>
> [3]
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12909573/ap
> ache-netbeans-logo.png
>
>  Forwarded Message 
> Subject: AW: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal)
> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2018 10:58:53 +0100
> From: Christian Lenz 
> Reply-To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org 
>
> I would like to Change the logo to the SVG file, because it scales better
> and we don’t have any Problems with Retina and whatever, as you can see it
> here: http://netbeans.apache.org/. I added the SVG too.
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Chris
>
>
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T-Shirts (was Fwd: Re: The logo, once and for all? (was AW: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal)))

2018-02-27 Thread Antonio 

Talking of which, the ASF Swag site

http://apacheswag.com/

Has no Apache NetBeans T-Shirts yet!! :-(


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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2018 10:58:11 +
From: Neil C Smith 
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To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org

On Tue, 27 Feb 2018 at 10:40 Antonio  wrote:


I like that "Powered by NetBeans..." logo idea!



Yes, particularly on a T-shirt! ;-)

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Re: The logo, once and for all? (was AW: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal))

2018-02-27 Thread Neil C Smith 
On Tue, 27 Feb 2018 at 10:40 Antonio  wrote:

> I like that "Powered by NetBeans..." logo idea!
>

Yes, particularly on a T-shirt! ;-)

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Re: The logo, once and for all? (was AW: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal))

2018-02-27 Thread Antonio 

I like that "Powered by NetBeans..." logo idea!

Thanks, Bertrand,
Antonio

On 27/02/18 10:31, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:

On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 5:20 PM, Eduard Karel de Jong
 wrote:

...The next discussion and a subsequent vote should be on the elements that we
want to present in the typography...


Note also https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs which has a
(small) section on logos and graphics policy.

-Bertrand

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Re: The logo, once and for all? (was AW: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal))

2018-02-27 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz 
On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 5:20 PM, Eduard Karel de Jong
 wrote:
> ...The next discussion and a subsequent vote should be on the elements that we
> want to present in the typography...

Note also https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs which has a
(small) section on logos and graphics policy.

-Bertrand

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Re: The logo, once and for all? (was AW: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal))

2018-02-26 Thread Eduard 
Indeed, the icon without typgraphy should be the item to vote upon this 
time.
The next discussion and a subsequent vote should be on the elements that 
we want to present in the typography, for instance:

-the word "apache"
-the feather
-a 'badge' with "IDE"  (with a possible alternate badge for the 
framework, like "AFW".
An other question is if the words "Net" and "Beans" should be with 
distinct typography.


Cheers
Eduard



Antonio wrote:

I'd say the icon without the typography.

Cheers,
Antonio

On 26/02/18 12:16, Neil C Smith wrote:

On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 at 11:06 Antonio  wrote:


To end up the logo discussion once and for all I propose:

- Announcing closing the contest within a few days.
- Announce a voting in the mailing list, as per the Apache way.



Sounds good!

Can we also clarify what we mean by logo though?  Are we at this stage
literally looking for the replacement for the cube icon, without any 
text /

typography?

Because currently the blue logo has 6 or 8 votes depending on what we 
mean.


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Re: The logo, once and for all? (was AW: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal))

2018-02-26 Thread Eduard Karel de Jong 
Indeed, the icon without typgraphy should be the item to vote upon this 
time.
The next discussion and a subsequent vote should be on the elements that 
we want to present in the typography, for instance:

-the word "apache"
-the feather
-a 'badge' with "IDE"  (with a possible alternate badge for the 
framework, like "AFW".
An other question is if the words "Net" and "Beans" should be with 
distinct typography.


Cheers
Eduard



Antonio wrote:

I'd say the icon without the typography.

Cheers,
Antonio

On 26/02/18 12:16, Neil C Smith wrote:

On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 at 11:06 Antonio  wrote:


To end up the logo discussion once and for all I propose:

- Announcing closing the contest within a few days.
- Announce a voting in the mailing list, as per the Apache way.



Sounds good!

Can we also clarify what we mean by logo though?  Are we at this stage
literally looking for the replacement for the cube icon, without any 
text /

typography?

Because currently the blue logo has 6 or 8 votes depending on what we 
mean.


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Neil



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Re: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal)

2018-02-26 Thread Neil C Smith 
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 at 13:27 Peter Steele  wrote:

> Apologies if i may have missed it, but where in the
> incubator-netbeans-website github repository is the delete/clean code in
> build.gradle?
>

I have no idea!  Maybe one for Wade.  What I do know is that clean deletes
the build dir, so the assets get removed.

Maybe we need to explicitly clean up the asset dirs too?

Seems possibly related to comments here
https://github.com/gradle/gradle/issues/1168

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Re: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal)

2018-02-26 Thread Peter Steele 
Apologies if i may have missed it, but where in the
incubator-netbeans-website github repository is the delete/clean code in
build.gradle?

On 26 Feb 2018 11:52, "Neil C Smith"  wrote:

> On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 at 11:38 Peter Steele  wrote:
>
> > Although the easiest way is to actually move the clean code from the
> > scripts to gradle because gradle will then have a complete view on things
> >
>
> Everything is already gradle though!
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Neil
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Re: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal)

2018-02-26 Thread Neil C Smith 
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 at 11:38 Peter Steele  wrote:

> Although the easiest way is to actually move the clean code from the
> scripts to gradle because gradle will then have a complete view on things
>

Everything is already gradle though!

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Re: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal)

2018-02-26 Thread Peter Steele 
It could be that because you have cleaned them outside of gradle, gradle
still thinks they are there and they haven't changed. The .gradle/caches
contains the cached data, you can tell gradle to refresh the dependencies
using ./gradle build --refresh-dependencies.

Although the easiest way is to actually move the clean code from the
scripts to gradle because gradle will then have a complete view on things

On 26 Feb 2018 11:07, "Neil C Smith"  wrote:

On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 at 10:57 Peter Steele  wrote:

> Gradle clean basically cleans the build directory used in java
compilation.
> In the task compileContentSass for instance you source from $contentDir
and
> write to $generatedAssetDir and these are not part of the java eco system.
>
> What you should do is create a new task which deletes all the directories
> you use and then do a clean.dependsOn(myCleanTask) so that is is run when
> clean is run.
>

Thanks!  Wade's build scripts do clean out all the generated files,
presumably because they're under /build anyway?  However, the sass plugin
still thinks it's up-to-date.  I'm assuming we need to link the sass plugin
into clean somehow, but the problem appears to be more than just deleting
the output directories, because they already are deleted?  Unless it's the
way that they're deleted that matters?

Best wishes,

Neil
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Re: The logo, once and for all? (was AW: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal))

2018-02-26 Thread Neil C Smith 
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 at 11:24 Antonio  wrote:

> I'd say the icon without the typography.
>

Agreed, so +1 from me to that and your schedule.

Given the necessarily short schedule, etc., and as we find our feet at
Apache, it might be good to keep in mind that any decision could get
reviewed around either next major release or when we become a top-level
project - ie. it's not a vote on something that will be fixed for all
eternity! ;-)

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Re: The logo, once and for all? (was AW: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal))

2018-02-26 Thread Antonio 

I'd say the icon without the typography.

Cheers,
Antonio

On 26/02/18 12:16, Neil C Smith wrote:

On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 at 11:06 Antonio  wrote:


To end up the logo discussion once and for all I propose:

- Announcing closing the contest within a few days.
- Announce a voting in the mailing list, as per the Apache way.



Sounds good!

Can we also clarify what we mean by logo though?  Are we at this stage
literally looking for the replacement for the cube icon, without any text /
typography?

Because currently the blue logo has 6 or 8 votes depending on what we mean.

Best wishes,

Neil



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Re: The logo, once and for all? (was AW: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal))

2018-02-26 Thread Antonio 

Hi again,

So, to keep things moving, shall we announce closing the contest by, 
say, until March the 1st?


And start the voting during March 2nd, 3rd and 4th?

Or is that too fast? ;-)

Cheers,
Antonio

On 26/02/18 12:09, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:

That sounds good. Thanks for persevering with this, Antonio.

Gj

On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 12:06 PM, Antonio  wrote:


Hi Chris, all,

The situation with the logo is that there was a voting at [1] somewhere in
2016, the most voted logo is not the one with colors, so using the one you
suggest (with colors) instead of the most voted one does not seem to be
very Apache compliant, as it would be against a voting result.

Also in late 2017 we opened an Apache NetBeans logo contest at [2], which
has not been closed yet. There has been a submission in early february 2018
(i.e., a few days ago) from Junichi (see [3]), which is also pretty cool,
IMHO, and also deserves our consideration.

To end up the logo discussion once and for all I propose:

- Announcing closing the contest within a few days.
- Announce a voting in the mailing list, as per the Apache way.

I know this is probably lots of bureaucracy, but that's how things are
expected to work in this Apache world, AFAIK (and please correct me if I'm
wrong).

Kind regards,
Antonio

[1]
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/NetBeans+Logo

[2]
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-145

[3]
https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12909573/
apache-netbeans-logo.png

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Subject: AW: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2018 10:58:53 +0100
From: Christian Lenz 
Reply-To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org 

I would like to Change the logo to the SVG file, because it scales better
and we don’t have any Problems with Retina and whatever, as you can see it
here: http://netbeans.apache.org/. I added the SVG too.


Cheers

Chris



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Re: The logo, once and for all? (was AW: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal))

2018-02-26 Thread Neil C Smith 
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 at 11:06 Antonio  wrote:

> To end up the logo discussion once and for all I propose:
>
> - Announcing closing the contest within a few days.
> - Announce a voting in the mailing list, as per the Apache way.
>

Sounds good!

Can we also clarify what we mean by logo though?  Are we at this stage
literally looking for the replacement for the cube icon, without any text /
typography?

Because currently the blue logo has 6 or 8 votes depending on what we mean.

Best wishes,

Neil
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Re: The logo, once and for all? (was AW: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal))

2018-02-26 Thread Geertjan Wielenga 
That sounds good. Thanks for persevering with this, Antonio.

Gj

On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 12:06 PM, Antonio  wrote:

> Hi Chris, all,
>
> The situation with the logo is that there was a voting at [1] somewhere in
> 2016, the most voted logo is not the one with colors, so using the one you
> suggest (with colors) instead of the most voted one does not seem to be
> very Apache compliant, as it would be against a voting result.
>
> Also in late 2017 we opened an Apache NetBeans logo contest at [2], which
> has not been closed yet. There has been a submission in early february 2018
> (i.e., a few days ago) from Junichi (see [3]), which is also pretty cool,
> IMHO, and also deserves our consideration.
>
> To end up the logo discussion once and for all I propose:
>
> - Announcing closing the contest within a few days.
> - Announce a voting in the mailing list, as per the Apache way.
>
> I know this is probably lots of bureaucracy, but that's how things are
> expected to work in this Apache world, AFAIK (and please correct me if I'm
> wrong).
>
> Kind regards,
> Antonio
>
> [1]
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/NetBeans+Logo
>
> [2]
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-145
>
> [3]
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12909573/
> apache-netbeans-logo.png
>
>  Forwarded Message 
> Subject: AW: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal)
> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2018 10:58:53 +0100
> From: Christian Lenz 
> Reply-To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org 
>
> I would like to Change the logo to the SVG file, because it scales better
> and we don’t have any Problems with Retina and whatever, as you can see it
> here: http://netbeans.apache.org/. I added the SVG too.
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Chris
>
>
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Re: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal)

2018-02-26 Thread Neil C Smith 
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 at 10:57 Peter Steele  wrote:

> Gradle clean basically cleans the build directory used in java compilation.
> In the task compileContentSass for instance you source from $contentDir and
> write to $generatedAssetDir and these are not part of the java eco system.
>
> What you should do is create a new task which deletes all the directories
> you use and then do a clean.dependsOn(myCleanTask) so that is is run when
> clean is run.
>

Thanks!  Wade's build scripts do clean out all the generated files,
presumably because they're under /build anyway?  However, the sass plugin
still thinks it's up-to-date.  I'm assuming we need to link the sass plugin
into clean somehow, but the problem appears to be more than just deleting
the output directories, because they already are deleted?  Unless it's the
way that they're deleted that matters?

Best wishes,

Neil
-- 
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www.neilcsmith.net

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The logo, once and for all? (was AW: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal))

2018-02-26 Thread Antonio 

Hi Chris, all,

The situation with the logo is that there was a voting at [1] somewhere 
in 2016, the most voted logo is not the one with colors, so using the 
one you suggest (with colors) instead of the most voted one does not 
seem to be very Apache compliant, as it would be against a voting result.


Also in late 2017 we opened an Apache NetBeans logo contest at [2], 
which has not been closed yet. There has been a submission in early 
february 2018 (i.e., a few days ago) from Junichi (see [3]), which is 
also pretty cool, IMHO, and also deserves our consideration.


To end up the logo discussion once and for all I propose:

- Announcing closing the contest within a few days.
- Announce a voting in the mailing list, as per the Apache way.

I know this is probably lots of bureaucracy, but that's how things are 
expected to work in this Apache world, AFAIK (and please correct me if 
I'm wrong).


Kind regards,
Antonio

[1]
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/NetBeans+Logo

[2]
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-145

[3]
https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12909573/apache-netbeans-logo.png

 Forwarded Message 
Subject: AW: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2018 10:58:53 +0100
From: Christian Lenz 
Reply-To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org 

I would like to Change the logo to the SVG file, because it scales 
better and we don’t have any Problems with Retina and whatever, as you 
can see it here: http://netbeans.apache.org/. I added the SVG too.



Cheers

Chris



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Re: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal)

2018-02-26 Thread Peter Steele 
Gradle clean basically cleans the build directory used in java compilation.
In the task compileContentSass for instance you source from $contentDir and
write to $generatedAssetDir and these are not part of the java eco system.

What you should do is create a new task which deletes all the directories
you use and then do a clean.dependsOn(myCleanTask) so that is is run when
clean is run.

Another thing is noticed was you have a task to stop and start tomcat,
there is a nice plugin on github (bmuschko/gradle-tomcat-plugin) which
allows you to redeploy core easily.

On 26 Feb 2018 10:42, "Neil C Smith"  wrote:

> On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 at 07:54 Antonio  wrote:
>
> > This has now been merged to master, we think we comply with ASF's
> > podling website requirements.
>
>
> Woot! :-)
>
> Some other enhancements & to-dos as seen in the thread & elsewhere:
> > ...
> > - The README at
> >
> > https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/
> tree/master/netbeans.apache.org
> > explains how Wade's script work, how to run a preview site yourself, etc.
> >
> >
> Note (for others) that you might need to run these commands to get the
> correct output -
>
> ./gradlew clean
> ./gradlew preprocessContent --rerun-tasks
> ./gradlew bake
>
> One other useful task would be for someone who understands Gradle better
> than Antonio or I to have a look at why the build (or sass plugin in
> particular) is incorrectly caching even after cleaning.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Neil
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Re: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal)

2018-02-26 Thread Neil C Smith 
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 at 07:54 Antonio  wrote:

> This has now been merged to master, we think we comply with ASF's
> podling website requirements.


Woot! :-)

Some other enhancements & to-dos as seen in the thread & elsewhere:
> ...
> - The README at
>
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/tree/master/netbeans.apache.org
> explains how Wade's script work, how to run a preview site yourself, etc.
>
>
Note (for others) that you might need to run these commands to get the
correct output -

./gradlew clean
./gradlew preprocessContent --rerun-tasks
./gradlew bake

One other useful task would be for someone who understands Gradle better
than Antonio or I to have a look at why the build (or sass plugin in
particular) is incorrectly caching even after cleaning.

Best wishes,

Neil
-- 
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Artist & Technologist
www.neilcsmith.net

Praxis LIVE - hybrid visual IDE for creative coding - www.praxislive.org

AW: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal)

2018-02-26 Thread Christian Lenz 
I would like to Change the logo to the SVG file, because it scales better and 
we don’t have any Problems with Retina and whatever, as you can see it here: 
http://netbeans.apache.org/. I added the SVG too.


Cheers

Chris

Von: Antonio
Gesendet: Montag, 26. Februar 2018 08:54
An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Betreff: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal)

Hi all,

This has now been merged to master, we think we comply with ASF's 
podling website requirements. Feel free to submit PRs as you see fit.

I've uploaded the bits at https://netbeans.vieiro.net temporarily, to 
verify that the "see this page in github" links work properly. This 
won't track master, and may dissappear within a few days.

Thanks all involved and those giving comments and ideas.

Have fun,
Antonio

== Main goals

As Geertjan outlined in the mailing list thread the main goals for the 
netbeans.apache.org website are, in order of importance:

1- Have a proper IDE features page.
2- Port the IDE tutorials.
3- Have a platform specific page.

Some other enhancements & to-dos as seen in the thread & elsewhere:

- Improve image visualization (lightbox, for instance).
- Add proper retina images (including the NetBeans logo).
- The wiki pages should be reviewed, after review the bottom of the page 
should contain the review date.

== Going live

AFAIK the website won't go live until we update the content to the 
"asf-site" branch (i.e., until we copy the generated HTML into that 
branch), as I think this branch is currently connected with the web 
server through Apache's gitpubsub.

I'll try to find out the details.

== netbeans.apache.org help materials

- The README at
https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/tree/master/netbeans.apache.org
explains how Wade's script work, how to run a preview site yourself, etc.

- The templates directory README
https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/tree/master/netbeans.apache.org/src/content/templates
has information about building templates as "Groovy Server Pages" files, 
as well as the initial templates we're using.

- The scss directory at
https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/tree/master/netbeans.apache.org/src/content/scss
Contains the initial SCSS files from Foundation adapted to netbeans.

Other useful links:

- jbake http://jbake.org/docs/2.5.1/
- foundation 6 for sites https://foundation.zurb.com/sites/docs/
- for those using asciidoc the AsciiDoc Writer's Guide at 
https://asciidoctor.org/docs/asciidoc-writers-guide/

== bits.netbeans.org

The ant script at bits.netbeans.org needs some love to properly generate 
NetBeans javadoc files + arch stuff (properly tagged with release 
information, etc.). The directory structure from current 
"bits.netbeans.org" does not match the existing one.

AFAIK we haven't set up a webserver for this domain, I imagine we can do 
this later on (probably using gitpubsub too in another "api" branch).



On 23/02/18 08:19, Antonio wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Wade, Tim, Neil, Jirka, Geertjan and I have been doing some experiments 
> regarding the NetBeans website.
> 
> As you probably know, the current NetBeans website comprises many 
> different webs: we have "bits.netbeans.org" for APIs, "netbeans.org" for 
> main content, "plugins.netbeans.org" for the Plugin Portal, 
> "wiki.netbeans.org" for the wiki, and there're a few more subdomains.
> 
> The current "netbeans.org" website is quite big. As you already know, 
> Wade consolidated it in github's 
> "apache/incubator-netbeans-website-cleanup" [1] repo, and added a Gradle 
> build system that uses JBake to generate static content, where content 
> is markdown/asciidoc/html with some additional files.
> 
> As the migration is going to take time, and will require Oracle 
> reviewing IP clearance for the content, we thought we could start a 
> simpler "netbeans.apache.org" website that uses the same Wade's scripts. 
> We then could add content gradually, as Oracle passes the IP clearance 
> procedures.
> 
> So we came out with a basic "multisite-test" _branch_ at Github's 
> "incubator-netbeans-website" [2].
> 
> The idea of this branch is to be able to consolidate different NetBeans 
> subdomains as different directories (currently "bits.netbeans.org" and 
> "netbeans.apache.org"), and create scripts for generating _static_ 
> content for those different websites. Currently we have:
> 
> - bits.netbeans.org
>      Currently builds the javadoc from sources.
> 
> - netbeans.apache.org
>      - Has some basic content from current Confluence pages.
>      - As posted to the list in december we chose the Foundation 6 
> framework as a, well, foundation, and Neil modified it with some proper 
> SCSS structure [3] to fit our needs.
>      - We've also added the wiki pages. We may set up a different repo 
> for these in the future, though.
>      - We've uploaded the result of this static site to 
> https://netbeans.vieiro.net for you to see live (note: the "see this

Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal)

2018-02-25 Thread Antonio 

Hi all,

This has now been merged to master, we think we comply with ASF's 
podling website requirements. Feel free to submit PRs as you see fit.


I've uploaded the bits at https://netbeans.vieiro.net temporarily, to 
verify that the "see this page in github" links work properly. This 
won't track master, and may dissappear within a few days.


Thanks all involved and those giving comments and ideas.

Have fun,
Antonio

== Main goals

As Geertjan outlined in the mailing list thread the main goals for the 
netbeans.apache.org website are, in order of importance:


1- Have a proper IDE features page.
2- Port the IDE tutorials.
3- Have a platform specific page.

Some other enhancements & to-dos as seen in the thread & elsewhere:

- Improve image visualization (lightbox, for instance).
- Add proper retina images (including the NetBeans logo).
- The wiki pages should be reviewed, after review the bottom of the page 
should contain the review date.


== Going live

AFAIK the website won't go live until we update the content to the 
"asf-site" branch (i.e., until we copy the generated HTML into that 
branch), as I think this branch is currently connected with the web 
server through Apache's gitpubsub.


I'll try to find out the details.

== netbeans.apache.org help materials

- The README at
https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/tree/master/netbeans.apache.org
explains how Wade's script work, how to run a preview site yourself, etc.

- The templates directory README
https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/tree/master/netbeans.apache.org/src/content/templates
has information about building templates as "Groovy Server Pages" files, 
as well as the initial templates we're using.


- The scss directory at
https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/tree/master/netbeans.apache.org/src/content/scss
Contains the initial SCSS files from Foundation adapted to netbeans.

Other useful links:

- jbake http://jbake.org/docs/2.5.1/
- foundation 6 for sites https://foundation.zurb.com/sites/docs/
- for those using asciidoc the AsciiDoc Writer's Guide at 
https://asciidoctor.org/docs/asciidoc-writers-guide/


== bits.netbeans.org

The ant script at bits.netbeans.org needs some love to properly generate 
NetBeans javadoc files + arch stuff (properly tagged with release 
information, etc.). The directory structure from current 
"bits.netbeans.org" does not match the existing one.


AFAIK we haven't set up a webserver for this domain, I imagine we can do 
this later on (probably using gitpubsub too in another "api" branch).




On 23/02/18 08:19, Antonio wrote:

Hi all,

Wade, Tim, Neil, Jirka, Geertjan and I have been doing some experiments 
regarding the NetBeans website.


As you probably know, the current NetBeans website comprises many 
different webs: we have "bits.netbeans.org" for APIs, "netbeans.org" for 
main content, "plugins.netbeans.org" for the Plugin Portal, 
"wiki.netbeans.org" for the wiki, and there're a few more subdomains.


The current "netbeans.org" website is quite big. As you already know, 
Wade consolidated it in github's 
"apache/incubator-netbeans-website-cleanup" [1] repo, and added a Gradle 
build system that uses JBake to generate static content, where content 
is markdown/asciidoc/html with some additional files.


As the migration is going to take time, and will require Oracle 
reviewing IP clearance for the content, we thought we could start a 
simpler "netbeans.apache.org" website that uses the same Wade's scripts. 
We then could add content gradually, as Oracle passes the IP clearance 
procedures.


So we came out with a basic "multisite-test" _branch_ at Github's 
"incubator-netbeans-website" [2].


The idea of this branch is to be able to consolidate different NetBeans 
subdomains as different directories (currently "bits.netbeans.org" and 
"netbeans.apache.org"), and create scripts for generating _static_ 
content for those different websites. Currently we have:


- bits.netbeans.org
     Currently builds the javadoc from sources.

- netbeans.apache.org
     - Has some basic content from current Confluence pages.
     - As posted to the list in december we chose the Foundation 6 
framework as a, well, foundation, and Neil modified it with some proper 
SCSS structure [3] to fit our needs.
     - We've also added the wiki pages. We may set up a different repo 
for these in the future, though.
     - We've uploaded the result of this static site to 
https://netbeans.vieiro.net for you to see live (note: the "see this 
page in github" won't work until/if this branch merges to master).


So to summarize, the objectives are:

1. Have all NetBeans websites in a single repo, with different folders 
for each. Maybe we want to share stuff among them in the future.

2. Have some scripts to build static content for those websites.
3. For web sites, make them comply with Apache's guidelines for web 
sites [4]


If you think the idea is good enough then we may merge