Re: Free Market versus Central Planning (was Re: New Icons)

2011-05-03 Thread Tim Ruppert
Well said David. I think that the investment you made to OFBiz pre-Moqui was astounding, but what you've created in Moqui has the chance to save the project and keep it going for the _next_ 10 years. Thank you for being proactive enough and caring enough to get out in front of the community

Re: Free Market versus Central Planning (was Re: New Icons)

2011-05-03 Thread Ruth Hoffman
David: This is the first time I think I've seen you write something positive about OFBiz: I also think OFBiz is great. A step in the right direction! Thank you for stating that. I understand completely your motivation and I'm empathetic to your position. I'm only asking that you don't bash

Re: Free Market versus Central Planning (was Re: New Icons)

2011-05-03 Thread Jacopo Cappellato
On May 3, 2011, at 3:39 PM, Ruth Hoffman wrote: FYI: You wrote: It's not as if I'm an outsider taking pot-shots... You would be surprised, as I was, at the number of people using OFBiz who do not know who you are or about your association with the project. I've met many over the last few

Re: Free Market versus Central Planning (was Re: New Icons)

2011-05-03 Thread David E Jones
It's interesting that you wrote this Ruth. I heard the same thing from a client recently, ie that they hadn't heard my name until after using OFBiz in their company for a couple of years. After that comment (a couple of weeks ago) I thought about it a bit and in a way I'd like to think this

Re: Free Market versus Central Planning (was Re: New Icons)

2011-05-02 Thread Shi Jinghai
That's great, David. Glad to know we'll have a garden soon. On Fri, 2011-04-29 at 10:00 -0700, David E Jones wrote: My goal is to split the community to various sub-communities involved in different projects which make up an ecosystem of projects based on the same framework and data model,

Re: Free Market versus Central Planning (was Re: New Icons)

2011-05-02 Thread David E Jones
In fact, we have a garden now... it's just looking for gardeners. Moqui Framework 1.0 is feature-complete and in beta. The Mantle data model (UDM) is in an initially complete state (except for seed data which I'm still working on), and is at a point where feedback is the most important next

Re: Free Market versus Central Planning (was Re: New Icons)

2011-05-02 Thread Ruth Hoffman
List: Why is it that David is allowed to advertise continuously about his latest pet project - that has nothing to do with OFBiz - on this mailing list and others, such as myself can't even mention a resource dedicated entirely to OFBiz, that many have found useful, (MyOFBiz.com

Re: Free Market versus Central Planning (was Re: New Icons)

2011-05-02 Thread Scott Gray
On 3/05/2011, at 12:51 PM, Ruth Hoffman wrote: List: Why is it that David is allowed to advertise continuously about his latest pet project - that has nothing to do with OFBiz - on this mailing list and others, such as myself can't even mention a resource dedicated entirely to OFBiz, that

Re: Free Market versus Central Planning (was Re: New Icons)

2011-05-02 Thread Adrian Crum
I agree with Scott, but at the same time I agree with Ruth a little. David started off promoting Moqui by bashing on the OFBiz developer community and the product. But he's toned that down now, so I think a discussion about using it in the OFBiz project is appropriate. -Adrian On 5/2/2011

Re: Free Market versus Central Planning (was Re: New Icons)

2011-05-02 Thread Scott Gray
On 3/05/2011, at 1:48 PM, Adrian Crum wrote: I agree with Scott, but at the same time I agree with Ruth a little. David started off promoting Moqui by bashing on the OFBiz developer community and the product. But to be fair, he was doing that before he got Moqui under way as well and that

Re: Free Market versus Central Planning (was Re: New Icons)

2011-05-02 Thread Ruth Hoffman
On 5/2/11 9:23 PM, Scott Gray wrote: On 3/05/2011, at 12:51 PM, Ruth Hoffman wrote: List: Why is it that David is allowed to advertise continuously about his latest pet project - that has nothing to do with OFBiz - on this mailing list and others, such as myself can't even mention a

Re: Free Market versus Central Planning (was Re: New Icons)

2011-05-02 Thread Scott Gray
On 3/05/2011, at 2:26 PM, Ruth Hoffman wrote: On 5/2/11 9:23 PM, Scott Gray wrote: On 3/05/2011, at 12:51 PM, Ruth Hoffman wrote: List: Why is it that David is allowed to advertise continuously about his latest pet project - that has nothing to do with OFBiz - on this mailing list and

Re: Free Market versus Central Planning (was Re: New Icons)

2011-05-02 Thread David E Jones
Ruth, It's not as if I'm an outsider taking pot-shots at something from a distance. I also think OFBiz is great, but after working with it for a decade I'm confident I can do better, and I can confidently say the same about many in the OFBiz community. We can do better, and what's more: we

Free Market versus Central Planning (was Re: New Icons)

2011-04-29 Thread David E Jones
On Apr 26, 2011, at 12:31 PM, Adrian Crum wrote: I like the idea of working with the current community to get a consensus on these things and then loosely enforcing them. I keep holding out hope that the desire to produce a quality product will increase. I understand your viewpoint of

Re: Free Market versus Central Planning (was Re: New Icons)

2011-04-29 Thread Adrian Crum
Thank you for the clarification, and I apologize for my misrepresentation. -Adrian On 4/29/2011 10:00 AM, David E Jones wrote: On Apr 26, 2011, at 12:31 PM, Adrian Crum wrote: I like the idea of working with the current community to get a consensus on these things and then loosely enforcing