RE: [QUESTION] Optional Java Use for Essential Functionality

2015-10-20 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Summary of what this thread revealed, in-line. > -Original Message- > From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:orc...@apache.org] > Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2015 12:58 > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: [QUESTION] Optional Java Use for Essential Functionality > >

Re: [QUESTION] Optional Java Use for Essential Functionality

2015-10-17 Thread Kay Schenk
On Sat, Oct 17, 2015 at 2:09 PM, Larry Gusaas wrote: > > > On 2015-10-16, 10:33 AM Marcus wrote: > >> Am 10/16/2015 07:10 AM, schrieb Larry Gusaas: >> >>> On 2015-10-15, 5:37 PM Kay Schenk wrote: >>> On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 4:16 PM, Larry Gusaas

Re: [QUESTION] Optional Java Use for Essential Functionality

2015-10-17 Thread Andrea Pescetti
Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: The issue, here, is about how Java ends up being required and the way the absence of a suitable JRE derails users in the current arrangement where there may be no or a wrong-bitness JRE present. The issue is also what we mean by "essential" functionality. True, Base

Re: [QUESTION] Optional Java Use for Essential Functionality

2015-10-16 Thread Marcus
Am 10/16/2015 07:10 AM, schrieb Larry Gusaas: On 2015-10-15, 5:37 PM Kay Schenk wrote: On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 4:16 PM, Larry Gusaas wrote: On 2015-10-15, 4:35 PM Kay Schenk wrote: The need for Java is detailed in the System Requirements --

Re: [QUESTION] Optional Java Use for Essential Functionality

2015-10-15 Thread Marcus
Am 10/15/2015 09:58 PM, schrieb Dennis E. Hamilton: [...] If we are not going to install a suitable JRE as part of AOO binary installers, how should we make it more clear that Java is required for what might seem to be essential functions? [...] I don't know since when a JRE is needed inside

RE: [QUESTION] Optional Java Use for Essential Functionality

2015-10-15 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
> -Original Message- > From: Damjan Jovanovic [mailto:dam...@apache.org] > Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2015 17:25 > To: Apache OO <dev@openoffice.apache.org> > Subject: Re: [QUESTION] Optional Java Use for Essential Functionality > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 12

Re: [QUESTION] Optional Java Use for Essential Functionality

2015-10-15 Thread Kay Schenk
On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 4:16 PM, Larry Gusaas wrote: > On 2015-10-15, 4:35 PM Kay Schenk wrote: > >> The need for Java is detailed in the System Requirements -- >> http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/source/sys_reqs_aoo41.html >> linked from the Download page. What I found

Re: [QUESTION] Optional Java Use for Essential Functionality

2015-10-15 Thread Larry Gusaas
On 2015-10-15, 4:35 PM Kay Schenk wrote: The need for Java is detailed in the System Requirements -- http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/source/sys_reqs_aoo41.html linked from the Download page. What I found "startling" was the message that Java 6 is needed on Macintosh, which I was not aware of.

Re: [QUESTION] Optional Java Use for Essential Functionality

2015-10-15 Thread Damjan Jovanovic
On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 12:35 AM, Kay Schenk wrote: > > > On 10/15/2015 01:58 PM, Marcus wrote: > > Am 10/15/2015 09:58 PM, schrieb Dennis E. Hamilton: > >> [...] > >> > >> If we are not going to install a suitable JRE as part of AOO binary > >> installers, how should we

RE: [QUESTION] Optional Java Use for Essential Functionality

2015-10-15 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
or comments about those they have observed. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Kay Schenk [mailto:kay.sch...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2015 15:36 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: [QUESTION] Optional Java Use for Essential Functionality [ ... ] The need for Java

Re: [QUESTION] Optional Java Use for Essential Functionality

2015-10-15 Thread Dave Fisher
+1000. Thanks I could not agree more. We can improve MS Office compatibility with OOXML quickly using Apache POI and ODF Toolkit. With Apache Tika Text can be pulled in from almost any document. It would be exciting to work out new architecture for document support in several languages. Are

Re: [QUESTION] Optional Java Use for Essential Functionality

2015-10-15 Thread Pedro Giffuni
+1 to using more Java. The Apache Software Foundation is indeed about Java (not exclusively but it's likely to be the most popular language). FWIW, there was something we discussed briefly in ApacheCon 2014, just an idea floating in the air that I'll share ... Since OpenOffice first came into

[QUESTION] Optional Java Use for Essential Functionality

2015-10-15 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
In looking into some usability issues, I ran into a concern about how Java is optional yet there are features that absolutely depend on it. I think some of those are essential features. I have been mentioning this in other contexts and I'd like to test community wisdom for understanding here. I

Re: [QUESTION] Optional Java Use for Essential Functionality

2015-10-15 Thread Kay Schenk
On 10/15/2015 01:58 PM, Marcus wrote: > Am 10/15/2015 09:58 PM, schrieb Dennis E. Hamilton: >> [...] >> >> If we are not going to install a suitable JRE as part of AOO binary >> installers, how should we make it more clear that Java is required >> for what >> might seem to be essential

Re: [QUESTION] Optional Java Use for Essential Functionality

2015-10-15 Thread Larry Gusaas
On 2015-10-15, 5:37 PM Kay Schenk wrote: On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 4:16 PM, Larry Gusaas wrote: On 2015-10-15, 4:35 PM Kay Schenk wrote: The need for Java is detailed in the System Requirements -- http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/source/sys_reqs_aoo41.html linked