Re: Reminder: Time to update your entry in the Directory of Volunteers

2013-09-27 Thread Herbert Duerr
Николай Нинков wrote:
 Because the translation of Bulgarian is almost ready, please do for me a dev
 snapshot with the Bulgarian translation to carry out the necessary tests.
 I do not want to promise but I will try to handle the tests so that you  turn
 the Bulgarian translation in the new Release 4.0.1.

I have to admit that I don't know how get a *sdf file out of pootle. But
if someone can provide me with the latest *sdf file for Bulgarian I'd
volunteer to do a snapshot build for it. I extend that offer also for
Danish as that just got ready.

The builds would be quite similar to the soon to be expected AOO 4.0.1,
but only similar because the revision number approved for the official
4.0.1 release would not have the latest *sdf files.

I look forward to the near future when we'll be able to skip the SDF
step and use the pootle files directly.

 Wish me success.

I wish you a lot of success! ;-)

Herbert

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Where can I find the new AOO4-Logo as a vector format?

2013-09-27 Thread Jörg Schmidt
Hello,

I need a scalable format of the new AOO4 logo, where can I find it?


Greetings,
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Re: Where can I find the new AOO4-Logo as a vector format?

2013-09-27 Thread Alexandro Colorado
There is one here:
http://www.openoffice.org/marketing/art/galleries/logos/main/aoo4-main-tm-logo-rgb.svg

On 9/27/13, Jörg Schmidt joe...@j-m-schmidt.de wrote:
 Hello,

 I need a scalable format of the new AOO4 logo, where can I find it?


 Greetings,
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Re: Where can I find the new AOO4-Logo as a vector format?

2013-09-27 Thread Jörg Schmidt
Hello, 

 From: acolor...@gmail.com [mailto:acolor...@gmail.com] On 
 Behalf Of Alexandro Colorado
 Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 9:43 AM
 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
 Subject: Re: Where can I find the new AOO4-Logo as a vector format?
 
 There is one here:
 http://www.openoffice.org/marketing/art/galleries/logos/main/a
 oo4-main-tm-logo-rgb.svg

Thank you.


But a note:
The M in TM is shown cut off and the representation of TM is different in 
Internet Explorer and Firefox, once serifs, once without serifs, at an official 
logo should not be.



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Re: Reminder: Time to update your entry in the Directory of Volunteers

2013-09-27 Thread janI
On 27 September 2013 08:32, Herbert Duerr h...@apache.org wrote:

 Николай Нинков wrote:
  Because the translation of Bulgarian is almost ready, please do for me a
 dev
  snapshot with the Bulgarian translation to carry out the necessary tests.
  I do not want to promise but I will try to handle the tests so that you
  turn
  the Bulgarian translation in the new Release 4.0.1.

 I have to admit that I don't know how get a *sdf file out of pootle. But
 if someone can provide me with the latest *sdf file for Bulgarian I'd
 volunteer to do a snapshot build for it. I extend that offer also for
 Danish as that just got ready.


I think only 2 people know that, which is why I wrote a docu about a year
ago. juergen is the real guru.

I nobody beats me to it, I will give it a shoot during the weekend (I have
already done for it danish, but not committed it).

Can I commit it to trunk ?

rgds
jan I.



 The builds would be quite similar to the soon to be expected AOO 4.0.1,
 but only similar because the revision number approved for the official
 4.0.1 release would not have the latest *sdf files.

 I look forward to the near future when we'll be able to skip the SDF
 step and use the pootle files directly.

  Wish me success.

 I wish you a lot of success! ;-)

 Herbert

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Re: [RELEASE 4.0.1][Product Update Notification Service] updated XML feeds for the former versions to be notified about version 4.0.1

2013-09-27 Thread Oliver-Rainer Wittmann

Hi

On 20.09.2013 14:03, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:

Hi,

forgive me for writing in English, but this post goes to several native
language mailing lists and to dev@o.a.o and l10n@o.a.o.

I am currently preparing the update of the XML feeds for our product
update notification service for former OpenOffice versions (3.2.0,
3.2.1, 3.3.0, 3.4.0, 3.4.1, 4.0.0) in order to enable the notification
about new version 4.0.1

For most of the languages the user is directed by the update
notification to our main download side [1].
For the following languages the user is directed to the corresponding
native languages page:
- Chinese (simplified)
- Chinese (traditional)
- Dutch
- French
- German
- Italian
- Japanese
- Slovak
- Spanish

IMPORTANT:
Please drop me a short note, when the corresponding native langauge
pages has been updated after version 4.0.1 has been released
OR
drop me a short note, when no update to the native language page is needed.



So far, I got feedback for
- German
- Spanish

Looking at the mail archives of general-ja@o.a.o, progetto-it@o.a.o and 
users-fr@o.a.o reveals that my post did not reach the corresponding 
mailing list.
Request to the corresponding mailing list moderators/admins: Could you 
please check, why my post did not reach the mailing list.


I will now check the landing pages for the following languages. If from 
my point of view the page needs to be updated for AOO 4.0.1 release and 
if I got no feedback, I will change the download landing page for these 
languages to the default download page to avoid user confusion.

- Chinese (simplified)
http://www.openoffice.org/zh-cn
- Chinese (traditional)
http://www.openoffice.org/zh-tw
- Dutch
http://www.openoffice.org/nl/downloaden.html
- French
http://www.openoffice.org/es/descargar
- Italian
http://www.openoffice.org/it
- Japanese
http://www.openoffice.org/ja
- Slovak
http://www.openoffice.org/sk/download

Please give feedback.


Best regards, Oliver.



When I have collected the replies for all the above mentioned languages
I will enable the product update notification for version 4.0.1

BTW, if for your languages the user shall also be directed to a
corresponding native languages pages, then let me know this page. I will
include it in the update XML feeds.

[1] www.openoffice.org/download


Thanks in advance for your replies and help.

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[Accessibility] Calc and Impress got complete ia2 support.

2013-09-27 Thread Steve Yin
Hi all,

The branch ia2 was updated to rev 1519412. From this rev, the calc and
Impress got complete ia2 support. Please try it and give feedback here.
Thanks.


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Re: Building for MAC OS, gcc 4.0

2013-09-27 Thread Herbert Duerr

Hi Tal,

On 26.09.2013 22:21, Tal Daniel wrote:

Following the Building guide for MAC, I need help.
My gcc version is 4.2, and the configure script outputs a warning that it
needs 4.0.
Is it a blocker? Do I need to install another gcc?


...


checking the GNU gcc compiler version... configure: error: You need to use

the gcc-4.0 compiler (gcc 4.2.1 won't work with the MacOSX10.4u.sdk) - set
CC accordingly


GCC 4.2 on Mac means that you are probably using XCode4. Building our 
official releases still requires XCode3 with its gcc4.0. If installing 
the older XCode3 with the OSX10.4 SDK is possible for you then this 
would be the fastest solution to get a build.


We/Me are working on supporting newer MacOSX build environments. If you 
are adventurous you might want to try out my rejuventate01 branch [1]. 
As you saw the build requirements for our current OSX release are so 
ancient that there are very few developers left with such an old 
environment. The rejuvenation of the OSX platform support is really 
needed. Be warned: The branch is experimental, unfinished and has some 
rough edges. It already produces quite usable binaries [2]. Having other 
developers work on the branch too would be great. I hope I'll find the 
time to get back into it again soon.


[1] http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/branches/rejuvenate01/
[2] http:http://people.apache.org/~hdu/AOO_Mac64_rejuv.dmg

If you're interested I suggest to check this branch out, set the 
environment variables

CC=`xcrun -f clang` -arch x86_64
CXX=`xcrun -f clang++` -arch x86_64
and then continue with [3]

[3] 
http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide/Building_on_MacOSX#Build_environment_with_enabled_category-b_dependencies



Guide I'm following step-by-step:
http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide/Building_on_MacOSX


I'd be glad if someone can be a guide on the build process, because I'm a
bit lost from the autoconf step onwards.


The building guide is good. I updated it to make the XCode3/SDK10.4 
requirement more prominent.


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Re: Reminder: Time to update your entry in the Directory of Volunteers

2013-09-27 Thread Alexandro Colorado
AFAIK this is the convertor from po to sdf/xliff
http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/toolkit/oo2po

You can download the po from the project here:
https://translate.apache.org/bg/aoo40/export/zip

On 9/27/13, janI j...@apache.org wrote:
 On 27 September 2013 08:32, Herbert Duerr h...@apache.org wrote:

 Николай Нинков wrote:
  Because the translation of Bulgarian is almost ready, please do for me
  a
 dev
  snapshot with the Bulgarian translation to carry out the necessary
  tests.
  I do not want to promise but I will try to handle the tests so that you
  turn
  the Bulgarian translation in the new Release 4.0.1.

 I have to admit that I don't know how get a *sdf file out of pootle. But
 if someone can provide me with the latest *sdf file for Bulgarian I'd
 volunteer to do a snapshot build for it. I extend that offer also for
 Danish as that just got ready.


 I think only 2 people know that, which is why I wrote a docu about a year
 ago. juergen is the real guru.

 I nobody beats me to it, I will give it a shoot during the weekend (I have
 already done for it danish, but not committed it).

 Can I commit it to trunk ?

 rgds
 jan I.



 The builds would be quite similar to the soon to be expected AOO 4.0.1,
 but only similar because the revision number approved for the official
 4.0.1 release would not have the latest *sdf files.

 I look forward to the near future when we'll be able to skip the SDF
 step and use the pootle files directly.

  Wish me success.

 I wish you a lot of success! ;-)

 Herbert

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Re: Where can I find the new AOO4-Logo as a vector format?

2013-09-27 Thread Alexandro Colorado
My guess is that the TM are not converted to path. Font diven logos could be 
unstable across different renders engine.
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On Fri Sep 27 04:11:33 2013 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 27 September 2013 09:23, Jörg Schmidt joe...@j-m-schmidt.de wrote:
 
  But a note:
  The M in TM is shown cut off and the representation of TM is
  different in Internet Explorer and Firefox, once serifs, once without
  serifs, at an official logo should not be.
 
 
 
 Display artifact in Firefox. It's fine in Inkscape or on Wikimedia
 Commons:
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Aoo4-main-tm-logo-rgb.svg
 
 
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Re: Reminder: Time to update your entry in the Directory of Volunteers

2013-09-27 Thread janI
On 27 September 2013 11:51, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote:

 AFAIK this is the convertor from po to sdf/xliff
 http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/toolkit/oo2po


this is not quite correct, we do have a couple of other steps as well, look
in wiki (http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Localization_AOO) for a full
explanation (like e.g. gsicheck).



 You can download the po from the project here:
 https://translate.apache.org/bg/aoo40/export/zip


I would really not recommend that, if you need to download po files, login
to translate.apache.org first, then go to your project. Using  a direct
link might give you old data (right now it will not because I just synced
the po files).

When doing it through the UI, you are sure to get the newest files, while
doing as you suggest gives you whatever is on disk not synchronized with
the database.

But for sdf file generation, we do not go that way, we use the po file
directory on the vm, because we also have the utilitites on the vm.

rgds
jan I.


 On 9/27/13, janI j...@apache.org wrote:
  On 27 September 2013 08:32, Herbert Duerr h...@apache.org wrote:
 
  Николай Нинков wrote:
   Because the translation of Bulgarian is almost ready, please do for me
   a
  dev
   snapshot with the Bulgarian translation to carry out the necessary
   tests.
   I do not want to promise but I will try to handle the tests so that
 you
   turn
   the Bulgarian translation in the new Release 4.0.1.
 
  I have to admit that I don't know how get a *sdf file out of pootle. But
  if someone can provide me with the latest *sdf file for Bulgarian I'd
  volunteer to do a snapshot build for it. I extend that offer also for
  Danish as that just got ready.
 
 
  I think only 2 people know that, which is why I wrote a docu about a year
  ago. juergen is the real guru.
 
  I nobody beats me to it, I will give it a shoot during the weekend (I
 have
  already done for it danish, but not committed it).
 
  Can I commit it to trunk ?
 
  rgds
  jan I.
 
 
 
  The builds would be quite similar to the soon to be expected AOO 4.0.1,
  but only similar because the revision number approved for the official
  4.0.1 release would not have the latest *sdf files.
 
  I look forward to the near future when we'll be able to skip the SDF
  step and use the pootle files directly.
 
   Wish me success.
 
  I wish you a lot of success! ;-)
 
  Herbert
 
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New localizations (was: Reminder: Time to update your entry in the Directory of Volunteers)

2013-09-27 Thread Herbert Duerr

Hi Jan,

On 27.09.2013 10:27, janI wrote:

On 27 September 2013 08:32, Herbert Duerr h...@apache.org wrote:


Николай Нинков wrote:

Because the translation of Bulgarian is almost ready, please do for me a

dev

snapshot with the Bulgarian translation to carry out the necessary tests.
I do not want to promise but I will try to handle the tests so that you

  turn

the Bulgarian translation in the new Release 4.0.1.


I have to admit that I don't know how get a *sdf file out of pootle. But
if someone can provide me with the latest *sdf file for Bulgarian I'd
volunteer to do a snapshot build for it. I extend that offer also for
Danish as that just got ready.



I think only 2 people know that, which is why I wrote a docu about a year
ago. juergen is the real guru.

I nobody beats me to it, I will give it a shoot during the weekend (I have
already done for it danish, but not committed it).


Wonderful, thanks for the offer!


Can I commit it to trunk ?


Yes. please do.

Having it on trunk would have the additional benefit that we add them to 
the schedule of our regular buildbots. New localizations benefiting from 
a few rounds of polishing wouldn't be surprising. AFAIK trunk and the 
AOO401 branch are still 100% compatible from a localization perspective.


Herbert


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Re: Building for MAC OS, gcc 4.0

2013-09-27 Thread Tal Daniel
Thank you Herbert, I'm using Xcode 3.2.6, with gcc 4.2, so I'll wait with
your branch.
Thanks for the invite.
Today I've managed to install  switch to gcc 4.0 using MacPorts (I'll
update the Guide, when I'm done).


On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 12:30 PM, Herbert Duerr h...@apache.org wrote:

 Hi Tal,


 On 26.09.2013 22:21, Tal Daniel wrote:

 Following the Building guide for MAC, I need help.
 My gcc version is 4.2, and the configure script outputs a warning that it
 needs 4.0.
 Is it a blocker? Do I need to install another gcc?

  ...


 checking the GNU gcc compiler version... configure: error: You need to use

 the gcc-4.0 compiler (gcc 4.2.1 won't work with the MacOSX10.4u.sdk) -
 set
 CC accordingly


 GCC 4.2 on Mac means that you are probably using XCode4. Building our
 official releases still requires XCode3 with its gcc4.0. If installing the
 older XCode3 with the OSX10.4 SDK is possible for you then this would be
 the fastest solution to get a build.

 We/Me are working on supporting newer MacOSX build environments. If you
 are adventurous you might want to try out my rejuventate01 branch [1]. As
 you saw the build requirements for our current OSX release are so ancient
 that there are very few developers left with such an old environment. The
 rejuvenation of the OSX platform support is really needed. Be warned: The
 branch is experimental, unfinished and has some rough edges. It already
 produces quite usable binaries [2]. Having other developers work on the
 branch too would be great. I hope I'll find the time to get back into it
 again soon.

 [1] 
 http://svn.apache.org/repos/**asf/openoffice/branches/**rejuvenate01/http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/branches/rejuvenate01/
 [2] 
 http:http://people.apache.org/**~hdu/AOO_Mac64_rejuv.dmghttp://people.apache.org/~hdu/AOO_Mac64_rejuv.dmg

 If you're interested I suggest to check this branch out, set the
 environment variables
 CC=`xcrun -f clang` -arch x86_64
 CXX=`xcrun -f clang++` -arch x86_64
 and then continue with [3]

 [3] http://wiki.openoffice.org/**wiki/Documentation/Building_**
 Guide/Building_on_MacOSX#**Build_environment_with_**enabled_category-b_**
 dependencieshttp://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide/Building_on_MacOSX#Build_environment_with_enabled_category-b_dependencies

  Guide I'm following step-by-step:
 http://wiki.openoffice.org/**wiki/Documentation/Building_**
 Guide/Building_on_MacOSXhttp://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide/Building_on_MacOSX
 I'd be glad if someone can be a guide on the build process, because I'm a
 bit lost from the autoconf step onwards.


 The building guide is good. I updated it to make the XCode3/SDK10.4
 requirement more prominent.

 Herbert



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Re: [RELEASE 4.0.1][Product Update Notification Service] updated XML feeds for the former versions to be notified about version 4.0.1

2013-09-27 Thread Andrea Pescetti

Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:

On 20.09.2013 14:03, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:
Looking at the mail archives of general-ja@o.a.o, progetto-it@o.a.o and
users-fr@o.a.o reveals that my post did not reach the corresponding
mailing list.
Request to the corresponding mailing list moderators/admins: Could you
please check, why my post did not reach the mailing list.


Actually, your first message did reach the progetto-it list: see
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/openoffice-progetto-it/201309.mbox/browser


I will now check the landing pages for the following languages. If from
my point of view the page needs to be updated for AOO 4.0.1 release and
if I got no feedback, I will change the download landing page for these
languages to the default download page to avoid user confusion.


http://www.openoffice.org/it and
http://www.openoffice.org/it/download/
will be updated in time for 4.0.1.

Regards,
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[Mac] [Build] python headers not found

2013-09-27 Thread Tal Daniel
Hi, I'm trying to follow the Building Guide for Mac,
and not I'm struggling with Python: the configuration shell script can't
find the Pyhon header files (python.h, ...).

...

checking which python to use... compiling against MacOSX10.4u.sdk (python
 version 2.3)
 checking Python.h usability... no
 checking Python.h presence... no
 checking for Python.h... no
 configure: error: Python headers not found



I installed [mac]port python33, and switched to it, and I know where its
headers folder is located.
I tried to change configure file, but it keeps reseting so I can't change
anything there (e.g. the PYTHON_CFLAG var).

I wonder, would a ln -s from the system python version to the current
release headers would help the configure script to find the headers,
finally.

Any help would be appreciated.
Tal


Re: Building for MAC OS, gcc 4.0

2013-09-27 Thread Herbert Duerr

On 27.09.2013 13:39, Tal Daniel wrote:

Thank you Herbert, I'm using Xcode 3.2.6, with gcc 4.2, so I'll wait with
your branch.


Oh, if you already XCode 3 then you're probably almost all set: Please check
ls -l /usr/bin/gcc*
AFAIK on a typical XCode3 system there should be gcc-4.0 and gcc-4.2. I 
can't remember whether there was an install option to install the older 
version.


If I read the configure script correctly it tries to find this gcc-4.0 
version and would use it if it was there.


Regarding the 10.4 SDK I'm quite sure it was optional with XCode3's 
package installer. That one defaults to only install SDK 10.5 and 10.6. 
I you'll have 10.4 you are probably only two hours away from your own 
AOO build! :-)



Thanks for the invite.
Today I've managed to install  switch to gcc 4.0 using MacPorts


I'm not sure if the MacPorts gcc 4.0 will work. Better check whether the 
older compiler version was an optional part of XCode3 and use that if 
possible.



(I'll update the Guide, when I'm done).


Wonderful, thanks in advance!

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Re: [Mac] [Build] python headers not found

2013-09-27 Thread Herbert Duerr

On 27.09.2013 13:51, Tal Daniel wrote:

Hi, I'm trying to follow the Building Guide for Mac,
and not I'm struggling with Python: the configuration shell script can't
find the Pyhon header files (python.h, ...).


Jürgen recently [1][2] updated the python baseline to Python 2.7

[1] https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122010
[2] 
http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/trunk/main/configure.in?r1=1485654r2=1485653pathrev=1485654



I installed [mac]port python33


I'm not sure whether a build against Python 3.3 is already possible


, and switched to it, and I know where its
headers folder is located.
I tried to change configure file, but it keeps reseting so I can't change
anything there (e.g. the PYTHON_CFLAG var).


Change the configure.in file, not the configure file! Then run 
autoconf to get the new and shiny and patched configure script ;-)


Hope that helps,
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Re: Where can I find the new AOO4-Logo as a vector format?

2013-09-27 Thread sebb
On 27 September 2013 10:11, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 27 September 2013 09:23, Jörg Schmidt joe...@j-m-schmidt.de wrote:

 But a note:
 The M in TM is shown cut off and the representation of TM is different 
 in Internet Explorer and Firefox, once serifs, once without serifs, at an 
 official logo should not be.



 Display artifact in Firefox. It's fine in Inkscape or on Wikimedia Commons:

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Aoo4-main-tm-logo-rgb.svg


For 
http://www.openoffice.org/marketing/art/galleries/logos/main/aoo4-main-tm-logo-rgb.svg

I get the same display artifact in Opera 12.16 / Chrome 29.0.1547.76
m / and Firefox 23.0.1

However the Wikipedia logo looks OK to me in all 3 browsers, so there
is something else happening here.

IE 8 does not seem to want to display SVG for me.

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Re: [RELEASE 4.0.1][Product Update Notification Service] updated XML feeds for the former versions to be notified about version 4.0.1

2013-09-27 Thread Oliver-Rainer Wittmann

Hi,

On 27.09.2013 11:43, Michal Hriň wrote:

Dňa Fri, 27 Sep 2013 10:27:12 +0200 Oliver-Rainer Wittmann
orwittm...@googlemail.com napísal:


Hi

On 20.09.2013 14:03, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:

Hi,

forgive me for writing in English, but this post goes to several native
language mailing lists and to dev@o.a.o and l10n@o.a.o.

I am currently preparing the update of the XML feeds for our product
update notification service for former OpenOffice versions (3.2.0,
3.2.1, 3.3.0, 3.4.0, 3.4.1, 4.0.0) in order to enable the notification
about new version 4.0.1

For most of the languages the user is directed by the update
notification to our main download side [1].
For the following languages the user is directed to the corresponding
native languages page:
- Chinese (simplified)
- Chinese (traditional)
- Dutch
- French
- German
- Italian
- Japanese
- Slovak
- Spanish

IMPORTANT:
Please drop me a short note, when the corresponding native langauge
pages has been updated after version 4.0.1 has been released
OR
drop me a short note, when no update to the native language page is
needed.



So far, I got feedback for
- German
- Spanish

Looking at the mail archives of general-ja@o.a.o, progetto-it@o.a.o
and users-fr@o.a.o reveals that my post did not reach the
corresponding mailing list.
Request to the corresponding mailing list moderators/admins: Could you
please check, why my post did not reach the mailing list.

I will now check the landing pages for the following languages. If
from my point of view the page needs to be updated for AOO 4.0.1
release and if I got no feedback, I will change the download landing
page for these languages to the default download page to avoid user
confusion.
- Chinese (simplified)
http://www.openoffice.org/zh-cn
- Chinese (traditional)
http://www.openoffice.org/zh-tw
- Dutch
http://www.openoffice.org/nl/downloaden.html
- French
http://www.openoffice.org/es/descargar
- Italian
http://www.openoffice.org/it
- Japanese
http://www.openoffice.org/ja
- Slovak
http://www.openoffice.org/sk/download

Please give feedback.



Hi Oliver,

I don't find a time to have a look at new download page, so for this time
SK  CS download page are broken.

I try to look at it to end of week, so the problem is that I don't know
nothing,
cause I don't have established work-flow for editing download page.

I need rework download page directly when is EN site finished, every
change in EN DN site broke
my NL DN site.



Thx for the feedback.

I will take into account that it might take the one or the other day to 
get the native languages pages up-to-date.


My plan is to enable the update notifications for release AOO 4.0.1 one 
or two days after the release have been announced.


Best regards, Oliver.


Regards, Michal Hriň.



Best regards, Oliver.



When I have collected the replies for all the above mentioned languages
I will enable the product update notification for version 4.0.1

BTW, if for your languages the user shall also be directed to a
corresponding native languages pages, then let me know this page. I will
include it in the update XML feeds.

[1] www.openoffice.org/download


Thanks in advance for your replies and help.

Best regards, Oliver.


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Re: [RELEASE 4.0.1][Product Update Notification Service] updated XML feeds for the former versions to be notified about version 4.0.1

2013-09-27 Thread Oliver-Rainer Wittmann

Hi,

On 27.09.2013 13:42, Andrea Pescetti wrote:

Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:

On 20.09.2013 14:03, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:
Looking at the mail archives of general-ja@o.a.o, progetto-it@o.a.o and
users-fr@o.a.o reveals that my post did not reach the corresponding
mailing list.
Request to the corresponding mailing list moderators/admins: Could you
please check, why my post did not reach the mailing list.


Actually, your first message did reach the progetto-it list: see
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/openoffice-progetto-it/201309.mbox/browser



Hm... I must be blind in the morning.




I will now check the landing pages for the following languages. If from
my point of view the page needs to be updated for AOO 4.0.1 release and
if I got no feedback, I will change the download landing page for these
languages to the default download page to avoid user confusion.


http://www.openoffice.org/it and
http://www.openoffice.org/it/download/
will be updated in time for 4.0.1.



Thx for the feedback.

Best regards, Oliver.


Regards,
   Andrea.

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Re: bug 107063 (needs update)

2013-09-27 Thread bugreporter99
I'd use the Search by People section.  The first of the three 
groups

The problem is, in the final step (atm I'm just tinkering) I want to exclude 
more than three assignees from the search.
some of the assignees I'd like to exclude:
openoffice
ooo
AOO security list 
issues
secur...@openoffice.apache.org

If you use the advanced search options then you need to select
matches regular expression rather than is equal to.

Using ^ooo$ and matches regular expression does not work for me.

Can you tell what is equal to can be used for? (only int, double, ...?)

you will end up owing Scotch to Apache Infra admins for the 
extra
work they have to do to clean up the mess ;-)

I see.

thx

On 26.09.2013 at 11:47 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 4:50 PM,  bugreporte...@hushmail.com 
wrote:
 You can use the criterion Time Since Assignee Touched is
greater than
 Did not see that thanks.

Back in July I reset the assignment for all issues that had not
changed in more than 2000 days.

 Today is September 26, 2013 so that means that 2000 days before 
today would be April 5, 2008. [1]
 Can you please tell me why the assignee of the issue 
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=20525  was not reset?
 Cause when looking at the History there is nothing after 2004-06-
17 15:00:01 UTC (besides a comment on 2007-05-03 12:24:50 UTC ).


I used the time since assignee touched field. It looks like in 
this
case the assignee changed his email address.  I don't know if that
impacted the query strategy.  But you can find all the issues that 
I
did reset by searching for the comment string Reset assignee on
issues not touched by assignee in more than 2000 days.

 Can you please tell me how to find bugs of a certain assignee?
 I want to get all bugs listed which are from the assignee ooo .
 When (in the Advanced Search) I select Assignee in Custom 
Search  and  choose is equal to and then set
 the value to ooo it does not work. Using is equal to any of the 
strings instead of is equal to does
 not work as well - ?


I'd use the Search by People section.  The first of the three 
groups
there is already set up to search for assignee.  One of the search
options is for contains, so you can then just enter ooo.

 Trying to use regular expression and typing ^ooo$ does also not 
work. (^ooo works but then I get also things like ooo*)


If you use the advanced search options then you need to select
matches regular expression rather than is equal to.

We all know who is active and who isn't.
 Did not know that.

Notifications are all-or-nothing.  A BZ admin can disable all
notifications, run a batch operation, and then re-enable
notifications.  But we have no easy way to notify only assignees.

 What would happen if you leave the notification enabled and then 
reset all the assignee fields?


It would not be pretty.  It would trigger notifications to be 
emailed
to the old assignee, but also everyone that commented on the issue
previously, or added themselves to cc.   So a rough guess, for N 
old
issues you would generate 4x email notifications.   Doing this for 
a
handful, 10 or 20 issues is fine.  But not for thousands.  If you 
do
this you will end up owing Scotch to Apache Infra admins for the 
extra
work they have to do to clean up the mess ;-)

Regards,

-Rob


 thx

 [1]http://www.convertunits.com/dates/daysfromnow/-2000

 On 26.09.2013 at 3:39 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 8:41 AM, Regina Henschel
rb.hensc...@t-online.de wrote:
 Hi,

 bugreporte...@hushmail.com schrieb:

 Stop! Don't invoke the bugzilla guru.
 Looks like I made it. Will invastigate farther.
 That's what I use now:
 http://img18.imageshack.us/i/vk57.png/

 Are there other assignees we should exclude?


 You can use the criterion Time Since Assignee Touched is
greater than
 900d.

 Exclude assignee secur...@openoffice.apache.org from search.

 Have you count, how many issues are affected? For example, with
900d I get
 322 bugs. With 360d and restriction to 99000BugID = 10 I
get 70 bugs,
 which is 7%. So expand to more than 12 issues gives perhaps
about 8000
 matches. Other complex queries I have tried need so long, that 
I
have not
 wait. I guess, that a direct SQL search in the data base can 
use
more
 efficient search statements than using the UI.

 I like, that former, inactive assignees are reset to the new
default. But
 such bulk change needs, that the general notifications are
suppressed. I
 don't know, whether it is possible to only inform the 
assignees.
So please
 wait till it is morning for Rob and he has a change to read 
this.


Notifications are all-or-nothing.  A BZ admin can disable all
notifications, run a batch operation, and then re-enable
notifications.  But we have no easy way to notify only assignees.

Back in July I reset the assignment for all issues that had not
changed in more than 2000 days.   543 issues were reset in that
action.  I've also done other resets for 

Re: [Accessibility] Calc and Impress got complete ia2 support -- (aoo-w7ia2) Buildbot currently failing

2013-09-27 Thread V Stuart Foote
Steve,

Great news!  Once we have a useable build...

I just checked and the current r1526782 based ia2 branch is failing snapshot
Buildbot for svn under cygwin

So the (aoo-w7ia2) Buildbot for the ia2 branch again needs some attention.

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Re: [Accessibility] Calc and Impress got complete ia2 support -- (aoo-w7ia2) Buildbot currently failing

2013-09-27 Thread Herbert Duerr

On 27.09.2013 15:44, V Stuart Foote wrote:

Great news!  Once we have a useable build...

I just checked and the current r1526782 based ia2 branch is failing snapshot
Buildbot for svn under cygwin

So the (aoo-w7ia2) Buildbot for the ia2 branch again needs some attention.


bb-win7 says:

svn: E155004: Working copy '/cygdrive/e/slave14/aoo-w7ia2/build_svn' locked.
svn: E155004: '/cygdrive/e/slave14/aoo-w7ia2/build_svn' is already locked.
svn: run 'svn cleanup' to remove locks (type 'svn help cleanup' for details)

Andrew, can you help us out here? AFAIK you're the only one of us who 
has direct access to the machine in question (bb-win7).


Herbert

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Re: Reminder: Time to update your entry in the Directory of Volunteers

2013-09-27 Thread Alexandro Colorado
On 9/27/13, janI j...@apache.org wrote:
 On 27 September 2013 11:51, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote:

 AFAIK this is the convertor from po to sdf/xliff
 http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/toolkit/oo2po


 this is not quite correct, we do have a couple of other steps as well, look
 in wiki (http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Localization_AOO) for a full
 explanation (like e.g. gsicheck).



 You can download the po from the project here:
 https://translate.apache.org/bg/aoo40/export/zip


 I would really not recommend that, if you need to download po files, login
 to translate.apache.org first, then go to your project. Using  a direct
 link might give you old data (right now it will not because I just synced
 the po files).

 When doing it through the UI, you are sure to get the newest files, while
 doing as you suggest gives you whatever is on disk not synchronized with
 the database.

 But for sdf file generation, we do not go that way, we use the po file
 directory on the vm, because we also have the utilitites on the vm.

Ah I see, you are right JanIV, back in the OOo days, we used to have
an sdf repo which was easiert to point people to. However it has it's
own problems (similar to po) which was the threshold between the
version from the previous release, and whatever was on Pootle at the
moment (and not even comment about source strings).


 rgds
 jan I.


 On 9/27/13, janI j...@apache.org wrote:
  On 27 September 2013 08:32, Herbert Duerr h...@apache.org wrote:
 
  Николай Нинков wrote:
   Because the translation of Bulgarian is almost ready, please do for
   me
   a
  dev
   snapshot with the Bulgarian translation to carry out the necessary
   tests.
   I do not want to promise but I will try to handle the tests so that
 you
   turn
   the Bulgarian translation in the new Release 4.0.1.
 
  I have to admit that I don't know how get a *sdf file out of pootle.
  But
  if someone can provide me with the latest *sdf file for Bulgarian I'd
  volunteer to do a snapshot build for it. I extend that offer also for
  Danish as that just got ready.
 
 
  I think only 2 people know that, which is why I wrote a docu about a
  year
  ago. juergen is the real guru.
 
  I nobody beats me to it, I will give it a shoot during the weekend (I
 have
  already done for it danish, but not committed it).
 
  Can I commit it to trunk ?
 
  rgds
  jan I.
 
 
 
  The builds would be quite similar to the soon to be expected AOO
  4.0.1,
  but only similar because the revision number approved for the official
  4.0.1 release would not have the latest *sdf files.
 
  I look forward to the near future when we'll be able to skip the SDF
  step and use the pootle files directly.
 
   Wish me success.
 
  I wish you a lot of success! ;-)
 
  Herbert
 
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Note: Updated BZ for new AOO version

2013-09-27 Thread Rob Weir
I've deactivated 4.0.1-dev as a version for new defects.  I've added
4.0.1 as new version.  There already exists a 4.1.0-dev version string

I also deactivated 4.0.1 as a milestone assignment.

Note: there are three bugs that are assigned the 4.0.1 milestone but
are not marked as fixed, or even marked as accepted:

118363 Base code iss...@openoffice.apache.org CONF --- Copy From OOo
Base Query Fails To Grab Full Selection

122094 Writer save-exp iss...@openoffice.apache.org CONF --- Protected
MS WORD documents opened in OPEN OFFICE lose the protection

123311 Native-L eu iss...@openoffice.apache.org CONF --- UI: Print
dialog shows wrong texts in menu 'File - Print - General

I'll reset these to have no milestone.  I don't think we want defects
with a milestone assignment unless someone has taken ownership of
them.

Regards,

-Rob

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Re: bug 107063 (needs update)

2013-09-27 Thread Rob Weir
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 9:39 AM,  bugreporte...@hushmail.com wrote:
I'd use the Search by People section.  The first of the three
groups

 The problem is, in the final step (atm I'm just tinkering) I want to exclude 
 more than three assignees from the search.
 some of the assignees I'd like to exclude:
 openoffice
 ooo
 AOO security list
 issues
 secur...@openoffice.apache.org

If you use the advanced search options then you need to select
matches regular expression rather than is equal to.

 Using ^ooo$ and matches regular expression does not work for me.


What exactly are you looking for?  We don't have any user with ID that
matches that regular expression, e.g., a line starting with ooo
followed immediately by a line end.

A simpler way to describe this query might be to do an advanced query of:

Assignee: (contains none of the strings) openoffice, ooo, issues, AOO
security list, secur...@openoffice.apache.org

 Can you tell what is equal to can be used for? (only int, double, ...?)


It depends on the field type.  But in most cases, such as with the
assignee field, it is a string comparison.

Regards,

-Rob

you will end up owing Scotch to Apache Infra admins for the
extra
work they have to do to clean up the mess ;-)

 I see.

 thx

 On 26.09.2013 at 11:47 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 4:50 PM,  bugreporte...@hushmail.com
wrote:
 You can use the criterion Time Since Assignee Touched is
greater than
 Did not see that thanks.

Back in July I reset the assignment for all issues that had not
changed in more than 2000 days.

 Today is September 26, 2013 so that means that 2000 days before
today would be April 5, 2008. [1]
 Can you please tell me why the assignee of the issue
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=20525  was not reset?
 Cause when looking at the History there is nothing after 2004-06-
17 15:00:01 UTC (besides a comment on 2007-05-03 12:24:50 UTC ).


I used the time since assignee touched field. It looks like in
this
case the assignee changed his email address.  I don't know if that
impacted the query strategy.  But you can find all the issues that
I
did reset by searching for the comment string Reset assignee on
issues not touched by assignee in more than 2000 days.

 Can you please tell me how to find bugs of a certain assignee?
 I want to get all bugs listed which are from the assignee ooo .
 When (in the Advanced Search) I select Assignee in Custom
Search  and  choose is equal to and then set
 the value to ooo it does not work. Using is equal to any of the
strings instead of is equal to does
 not work as well - ?


I'd use the Search by People section.  The first of the three
groups
there is already set up to search for assignee.  One of the search
options is for contains, so you can then just enter ooo.

 Trying to use regular expression and typing ^ooo$ does also not
work. (^ooo works but then I get also things like ooo*)


If you use the advanced search options then you need to select
matches regular expression rather than is equal to.

We all know who is active and who isn't.
 Did not know that.

Notifications are all-or-nothing.  A BZ admin can disable all
notifications, run a batch operation, and then re-enable
notifications.  But we have no easy way to notify only assignees.

 What would happen if you leave the notification enabled and then
reset all the assignee fields?


It would not be pretty.  It would trigger notifications to be
emailed
to the old assignee, but also everyone that commented on the issue
previously, or added themselves to cc.   So a rough guess, for N
old
issues you would generate 4x email notifications.   Doing this for
a
handful, 10 or 20 issues is fine.  But not for thousands.  If you
do
this you will end up owing Scotch to Apache Infra admins for the
extra
work they have to do to clean up the mess ;-)

Regards,

-Rob


 thx

 [1]http://www.convertunits.com/dates/daysfromnow/-2000

 On 26.09.2013 at 3:39 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 8:41 AM, Regina Henschel
rb.hensc...@t-online.de wrote:
 Hi,

 bugreporte...@hushmail.com schrieb:

 Stop! Don't invoke the bugzilla guru.
 Looks like I made it. Will invastigate farther.
 That's what I use now:
 http://img18.imageshack.us/i/vk57.png/

 Are there other assignees we should exclude?


 You can use the criterion Time Since Assignee Touched is
greater than
 900d.

 Exclude assignee secur...@openoffice.apache.org from search.

 Have you count, how many issues are affected? For example, with
900d I get
 322 bugs. With 360d and restriction to 99000BugID = 10 I
get 70 bugs,
 which is 7%. So expand to more than 12 issues gives perhaps
about 8000
 matches. Other complex queries I have tried need so long, that
I
have not
 wait. I guess, that a direct SQL search in the data base can
use
more
 efficient search statements than using the UI.

 I like, that former, inactive assignees are reset to the new
default. But
 such bulk change 

Re: A little more eye candy for 4.0.1 release

2013-09-27 Thread Drew Jensen
Howdy,

Thanks - maybe someone will.

Folks are quite busy with real work and I won't trouble them with this type
stuff at the moment.


I will push two things up over the weekend and then on Monday or Tuesday
will drop the rest. (Set of Flyers w/template - video theme with templates)

Since no one seems to mind I'm sticking with the following theme:

AOO-Teal3 (that is the logo color ;)
Grey 6 - text
Red 6 - text
Yellow 3 - highlight text

I'm also focused totally on Retail marketing and discounting commercial use
of the application, so in everything I'll try to hit things like - building
urgency and driving folks to download.

I will also try to emphasize the forums and template/extension services
more, as best I can.

Talk to you soon,

//drew






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 On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 2:14 PM, Drew Jensen drewjensen.in...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  Hi,
 
  Added a couple of wallpaper and web art images to the wiki at:
 
 
 
 https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/34022580/AOO-4_0_1-wallpaper.zip
  and
 
 
 https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/34022580/AOO-4_0_1-web_art.zip
 
  Let me know if any of this can be used - The wallpaper files are 100% dog
  food, the web art files in BLUE are straight dog food and the others
  included a little love from GIMP
 
  I tagged two of the wallpaper files with a CC BY_ND license. I did so for
  only one reason, I did not want to introduce the new graphics on these
 two
  pieces and encourage their use as branding items and the license would
  allow any use, including commercial, but you can not 'riff' off that
 image
  or any pieces of it.. Now, it doesn't make sense to others here I would
 not
  be surprised and have no problem removing it. Just let me know.
 
  Otherwise, I'll be on-line tomorrow again and will update the other files
  then along with some more thoughts on the branding language I'm trying to
  establish...which I don't want to do without consent here.
 
  Thanks,
 
  //drew
 

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Re: New localizations (was: Reminder: Time to update your entry in the Directory of Volunteers)

2013-09-27 Thread janI
On 27 September 2013 12:33, Herbert Duerr h...@apache.org wrote:

 Hi Jan,

 On 27.09.2013 10:27, janI wrote:

 On 27 September 2013 08:32, Herbert Duerr h...@apache.org wrote:

  Николай Нинков wrote:

 Because the translation of Bulgarian is almost ready, please do for me a

 dev

 snapshot with the Bulgarian translation to carry out the necessary
 tests.
 I do not want to promise but I will try to handle the tests so that you

   turn

 the Bulgarian translation in the new Release 4.0.1.


 I have to admit that I don't know how get a *sdf file out of pootle. But
 if someone can provide me with the latest *sdf file for Bulgarian I'd
 volunteer to do a snapshot build for it. I extend that offer also for
 Danish as that just got ready.


 I think only 2 people know that, which is why I wrote a docu about a year
 ago. juergen is the real guru.

 I nobody beats me to it, I will give it a shoot during the weekend (I have
 already done for it danish, but not committed it).


 Wonderful, thanks for the offer!


 Done, but no guarantees, I got a number of warnings the the .po files for
help contained entries of more than 2 lines, I have no idea what juergen
normally does with that.

When I tested danish, I did not bother making sdf files :-)


  Can I commit it to trunk ?


 Yes. please do.

 R1526888, I have problaly overwritten what you have just committed, sorry.

I only updated da and bg, even though I can see multiple changes in
other languages.

have a nice weekend.

rgds
jan I.



 Having it on trunk would have the additional benefit that we add them to
 the schedule of our regular buildbots. New localizations benefiting from a
 few rounds of polishing wouldn't be surprising. AFAIK trunk and the AOO401
 branch are still 100% compatible from a localization perspective.

 Herbert


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Re: svn commit: r1526917 - /openoffice/trunk/extras/l10n/source/bg/localize.sdf

2013-09-27 Thread janI
Please make these changes in pootle instead, otherwise we loose them next
time someone generates the sdf file, like I just did.

rgds
jan I.



On 27 September 2013 16:42, h...@apache.org wrote:

 Author: hdu
 Date: Fri Sep 27 14:42:36 2013
 New Revision: 1526917

 URL: http://svn.apache.org/r1526917
 Log:
 fix a bookmark_value-tag asymmetry for bulgarian

 Modified:
 openoffice/trunk/extras/l10n/source/bg/localize.sdf

 Modified: openoffice/trunk/extras/l10n/source/bg/localize.sdf
 URL:
 http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/trunk/extras/l10n/source/bg/localize.sdf?rev=1526917r1=1526916r2=1526917view=diff

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Re: A little more eye candy for 4.0.1 release

2013-09-27 Thread Roberto Galoppini
2013/9/27 Drew Jensen drewjensen.in...@gmail.com

 Howdy,

 Thanks - maybe someone will.

 Folks are quite busy with real work and I won't trouble them with this type
 stuff at the moment.


 I will push two things up over the weekend and then on Monday or Tuesday
 will drop the rest. (Set of Flyers w/template - video theme with templates)

 Since no one seems to mind I'm sticking with the following theme:

 AOO-Teal3 (that is the logo color ;)
 Grey 6 - text
 Red 6 - text
 Yellow 3 - highlight text

 I'm also focused totally on Retail marketing and discounting commercial use
 of the application, so in everything I'll try to hit things like - building
 urgency and driving folks to download.

 I will also try to emphasize the forums and template/extension services
 more, as best I can.


Look forward to it, please let me know when you want me to upload the new
video on Apache OpenOffice project page at SourceForge.

Thanks,

Roberto




 Talk to you soon,

 //drew






 On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 5:48 PM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote:

  On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 2:14 PM, Drew Jensen drewjensen.in...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
   Hi,
  
   Added a couple of wallpaper and web art images to the wiki at:
  
  
  
 
 https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/34022580/AOO-4_0_1-wallpaper.zip
   and
  
  
 
 https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/34022580/AOO-4_0_1-web_art.zip
  
   Let me know if any of this can be used - The wallpaper files are 100%
 dog
   food, the web art files in BLUE are straight dog food and the others
   included a little love from GIMP
  
   I tagged two of the wallpaper files with a CC BY_ND license. I did so
 for
   only one reason, I did not want to introduce the new graphics on these
  two
   pieces and encourage their use as branding items and the license would
   allow any use, including commercial, but you can not 'riff' off that
  image
   or any pieces of it.. Now, it doesn't make sense to others here I would
  not
   be surprised and have no problem removing it. Just let me know.
  
   Otherwise, I'll be on-line tomorrow again and will update the other
 files
   then along with some more thoughts on the branding language I'm trying
 to
   establish...which I don't want to do without consent here.
  
   Thanks,
  
   //drew
  
 
  These are cute! I'm sure someone will have some fun with them. :)
 
  --
 
 
 -
  MzK
 
  Truth is stranger than fiction, but it is because Fiction is obliged
   to stick to possibilities. Truth isn't.
   -- Following the Equator, Mark Twain
 



Re: A little more eye candy for 4.0.1 release

2013-09-27 Thread Drew Jensen
Hi,

It's actually ready - I think - I took the Release notes and used that to
generate a really shot piece. I could not get the final render finished
before I needed to leave this morning however. If I can I'll push up
tonight, but likely it will be tomorrow and I must warn you it is not the
same old OO.o look - so I won't be hurt in the least if folks want some
changes made ;)

//drew


On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Roberto Galoppini 
roberto.galopp...@gmail.com wrote:

 2013/9/27 Drew Jensen drewjensen.in...@gmail.com

  Howdy,
 
  Thanks - maybe someone will.
 
  Folks are quite busy with real work and I won't trouble them with this
 type
  stuff at the moment.
 
 
  I will push two things up over the weekend and then on Monday or Tuesday
  will drop the rest. (Set of Flyers w/template - video theme with
 templates)
 
  Since no one seems to mind I'm sticking with the following theme:
 
  AOO-Teal3 (that is the logo color ;)
  Grey 6 - text
  Red 6 - text
  Yellow 3 - highlight text
 
  I'm also focused totally on Retail marketing and discounting commercial
 use
  of the application, so in everything I'll try to hit things like -
 building
  urgency and driving folks to download.
 
  I will also try to emphasize the forums and template/extension services
  more, as best I can.
 

 Look forward to it, please let me know when you want me to upload the new
 video on Apache OpenOffice project page at SourceForge.

 Thanks,

 Roberto



 
  Talk to you soon,
 
  //drew
 
 
 
 
 
 
  On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 5:48 PM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
   On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 2:14 PM, Drew Jensen 
 drewjensen.in...@gmail.com
   wrote:
  
Hi,
   
Added a couple of wallpaper and web art images to the wiki at:
   
   
   
  
 
 https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/34022580/AOO-4_0_1-wallpaper.zip
and
   
   
  
 
 https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/34022580/AOO-4_0_1-web_art.zip
   
Let me know if any of this can be used - The wallpaper files are 100%
  dog
food, the web art files in BLUE are straight dog food and the others
included a little love from GIMP
   
I tagged two of the wallpaper files with a CC BY_ND license. I did so
  for
only one reason, I did not want to introduce the new graphics on
 these
   two
pieces and encourage their use as branding items and the license
 would
allow any use, including commercial, but you can not 'riff' off that
   image
or any pieces of it.. Now, it doesn't make sense to others here I
 would
   not
be surprised and have no problem removing it. Just let me know.
   
Otherwise, I'll be on-line tomorrow again and will update the other
  files
then along with some more thoughts on the branding language I'm
 trying
  to
establish...which I don't want to do without consent here.
   
Thanks,
   
//drew
   
  
   These are cute! I'm sure someone will have some fun with them. :)
  
   --
  
  
 
 -
   MzK
  
   Truth is stranger than fiction, but it is because Fiction is obliged
to stick to possibilities. Truth isn't.
-- Following the Equator, Mark Twain
  
 



Re: Where can I find the new AOO4-Logo as a vector format?

2013-09-27 Thread Armin Le Grand

Hi Rob,

On 27.09.2013 14:50, Rob Weir wrote:

On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 6:04 AM, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote:

My guess is that the TM are not converted to path. Font diven logos could be 
unstable across different renders engine.
--


And we still get many visitors using older browsers, even I.E. 6.   So
I'd recommend using a rasterized version of the logo on the website or
anywhere else we expect random users to visit.  There are ways of
having both SVG and raster images, but if we're not seeing consistent
SVG rendering then it would be safer to just render via Inkscape and
use that.


There is a way to have a uncritical SVG version - just convert all text 
to polygons first (and use absolute polygon paths, e.g. in inkscape). 
That version would be safe since it would not use any font references, 
only graphics (polygons). Relying on font rendering in SVG does simply 
not work for multiple different systems, versions of these and even 
evtl. different languages and installed fonts.


Sincerely,
Armin



-Rob



Sent from my Nokia N900

On Fri Sep 27 04:11:33 2013 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:

On 27 September 2013 09:23, Jörg Schmidt joe...@j-m-schmidt.de wrote:


But a note:
The M in TM is shown cut off and the representation of TM is
different in Internet Explorer and Firefox, once serifs, once without
serifs, at an official logo should not be.



Display artifact in Firefox. It's fine in Inkscape or on Wikimedia
Commons:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Aoo4-main-tm-logo-rgb.svg


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Re: Where can I find the new AOO4-Logo as a vector format?

2013-09-27 Thread Rob Weir
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Armin Le Grand armin.le.gr...@me.com wrote:
 Hi Rob,


 On 27.09.2013 14:50, Rob Weir wrote:

 On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 6:04 AM, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote:

 My guess is that the TM are not converted to path. Font diven logos could
 be unstable across different renders engine.
 --


 And we still get many visitors using older browsers, even I.E. 6.   So
 I'd recommend using a rasterized version of the logo on the website or
 anywhere else we expect random users to visit.  There are ways of
 having both SVG and raster images, but if we're not seeing consistent
 SVG rendering then it would be safer to just render via Inkscape and
 use that.


 There is a way to have a uncritical SVG version - just convert all text to
 polygons first (and use absolute polygon paths, e.g. in inkscape). That
 version would be safe since it would not use any font references, only
 graphics (polygons). Relying on font rendering in SVG does simply not work
 for multiple different systems, versions of these and even evtl. different
 languages and installed fonts.


That might fix this one issue, but what about older browsers like I.E.
6?   Will the logo render perfectly everywhere?  We have challenges
getting even HTML and Javascript to work right everywhere.   I don't
think we want to risk having our brand image rendering poorly.  We've
gone 12 years with a raster logo on the website.  It works.

-Rob


 Sincerely,
 Armin



 -Rob


 Sent from my Nokia N900

 On Fri Sep 27 04:11:33 2013 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 27 September 2013 09:23, Jörg Schmidt joe...@j-m-schmidt.de wrote:

 But a note:
 The M in TM is shown cut off and the representation of TM is
 different in Internet Explorer and Firefox, once serifs, once without
 serifs, at an official logo should not be.



 Display artifact in Firefox. It's fine in Inkscape or on Wikimedia
 Commons:

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Aoo4-main-tm-logo-rgb.svg


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Re: Where can I find the new AOO4-Logo as a vector format?

2013-09-27 Thread Rob Weir
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 11:46 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
 On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Armin Le Grand armin.le.gr...@me.com 
 wrote:
 Hi Rob,


 On 27.09.2013 14:50, Rob Weir wrote:

 On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 6:04 AM, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote:

 My guess is that the TM are not converted to path. Font diven logos could
 be unstable across different renders engine.
 --


 And we still get many visitors using older browsers, even I.E. 6.   So
 I'd recommend using a rasterized version of the logo on the website or
 anywhere else we expect random users to visit.  There are ways of
 having both SVG and raster images, but if we're not seeing consistent
 SVG rendering then it would be safer to just render via Inkscape and
 use that.


 There is a way to have a uncritical SVG version - just convert all text to
 polygons first (and use absolute polygon paths, e.g. in inkscape). That
 version would be safe since it would not use any font references, only
 graphics (polygons). Relying on font rendering in SVG does simply not work
 for multiple different systems, versions of these and even evtl. different
 languages and installed fonts.


 That might fix this one issue, but what about older browsers like I.E.
 6?   Will the logo render perfectly everywhere?  We have challenges
 getting even HTML and Javascript to work right everywhere.   I don't
 think we want to risk having our brand image rendering poorly.  We've
 gone 12 years with a raster logo on the website.  It works.


And I should mention that we get 200K+ visits/month from mobile phones
and tablets as well.


 -Rob


 Sincerely,
 Armin



 -Rob


 Sent from my Nokia N900

 On Fri Sep 27 04:11:33 2013 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 27 September 2013 09:23, Jörg Schmidt joe...@j-m-schmidt.de wrote:

 But a note:
 The M in TM is shown cut off and the representation of TM is
 different in Internet Explorer and Firefox, once serifs, once without
 serifs, at an official logo should not be.



 Display artifact in Firefox. It's fine in Inkscape or on Wikimedia
 Commons:

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Aoo4-main-tm-logo-rgb.svg


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Re: Where can I find the new AOO4-Logo as a vector format?

2013-09-27 Thread Rob Weir
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
 On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 11:46 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
 On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Armin Le Grand armin.le.gr...@me.com 
 wrote:
 Hi Rob,


 On 27.09.2013 14:50, Rob Weir wrote:

 On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 6:04 AM, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote:

 My guess is that the TM are not converted to path. Font diven logos could
 be unstable across different renders engine.
 --


 And we still get many visitors using older browsers, even I.E. 6.   So
 I'd recommend using a rasterized version of the logo on the website or
 anywhere else we expect random users to visit.  There are ways of
 having both SVG and raster images, but if we're not seeing consistent
 SVG rendering then it would be safer to just render via Inkscape and
 use that.


 There is a way to have a uncritical SVG version - just convert all text to
 polygons first (and use absolute polygon paths, e.g. in inkscape). That
 version would be safe since it would not use any font references, only
 graphics (polygons). Relying on font rendering in SVG does simply not work
 for multiple different systems, versions of these and even evtl. different
 languages and installed fonts.


 That might fix this one issue, but what about older browsers like I.E.
 6?   Will the logo render perfectly everywhere?  We have challenges
 getting even HTML and Javascript to work right everywhere.   I don't
 think we want to risk having our brand image rendering poorly.  We've
 gone 12 years with a raster logo on the website.  It works.


 And I should mention that we get 200K+ visits/month from mobile phones
 and tablets as well.


And finally, converting to polygons in advance prevents the TrueType
engines from doing its best job at rendering the font hinting at
various scales.   Compare it yourself.  Take 12-point text, convert to
polygons and then scale up (or down) the polygons.  Then try again
with an actual font reference.  It might vary by font, but a
well-designed font will render much better if you do not convert to
polygons first.

-Rob


 -Rob


 Sincerely,
 Armin



 -Rob


 Sent from my Nokia N900

 On Fri Sep 27 04:11:33 2013 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 27 September 2013 09:23, Jörg Schmidt joe...@j-m-schmidt.de wrote:

 But a note:
 The M in TM is shown cut off and the representation of TM is
 different in Internet Explorer and Firefox, once serifs, once without
 serifs, at an official logo should not be.



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Re: Where can I find the new AOO4-Logo as a vector format?

2013-09-27 Thread Alexandro Colorado
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 10:46 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

 On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Armin Le Grand armin.le.gr...@me.com
 wrote:
  Hi Rob,
 
 
  On 27.09.2013 14:50, Rob Weir wrote:
 
  On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 6:04 AM, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org
 wrote:
 
  My guess is that the TM are not converted to path. Font diven logos
 could
  be unstable across different renders engine.
  --
 
 
  And we still get many visitors using older browsers, even I.E. 6.   So
  I'd recommend using a rasterized version of the logo on the website or
  anywhere else we expect random users to visit.  There are ways of
  having both SVG and raster images, but if we're not seeing consistent
  SVG rendering then it would be safer to just render via Inkscape and
  use that.
 
 
  There is a way to have a uncritical SVG version - just convert all text
 to
  polygons first (and use absolute polygon paths, e.g. in inkscape). That
  version would be safe since it would not use any font references, only
  graphics (polygons). Relying on font rendering in SVG does simply not
 work
  for multiple different systems, versions of these and even evtl.
 different
  languages and installed fonts.
 

 That might fix this one issue, but what about older browsers like I.E.
 6?   Will the logo render perfectly everywhere?  We have challenges
 getting even HTML and Javascript to work right everywhere.   I don't
 think we want to risk having our brand image rendering poorly.  We've
 gone 12 years with a raster logo on the website.  It works.


​I think you are confusing the render on the browser with using this as a
web design element. SVG have been around for ages, the fact that this user
asked for a vectorized version (to use for whatever reason) and he happen
to notice an issue on the browser, doesnt mean his intentions is to put it
on the page.

That said, I strongly think we should switch to SVG, natively, is much
smaller, and more open.

There are also many fallback libraries like svg.js and modernizr for older
browser. IE6  1% of the market. I think we have bigger issues that are not
working on the site than 1% of the visits.




 -Rob


  Sincerely,
  Armin
 
 
 
  -Rob
 
 
  Sent from my Nokia N900
 
  On Fri Sep 27 04:11:33 2013 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  On 27 September 2013 09:23, Jörg Schmidt joe...@j-m-schmidt.de
 wrote:
 
  But a note:
  The M in TM is shown cut off and the representation of TM is
  different in Internet Explorer and Firefox, once serifs, once without
  serifs, at an official logo should not be.
 
 
 
  Display artifact in Firefox. It's fine in Inkscape or on Wikimedia
  Commons:
 
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Aoo4-main-tm-logo-rgb.svg
 
 
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Re: Where can I find the new AOO4-Logo as a vector format?

2013-09-27 Thread Alexandro Colorado
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

 On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
  On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 11:46 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
  On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Armin Le Grand armin.le.gr...@me.com
 wrote:
  Hi Rob,
 
 
  On 27.09.2013 14:50, Rob Weir wrote:
 
  On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 6:04 AM, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org
 wrote:
 
  My guess is that the TM are not converted to path. Font diven logos
 could
  be unstable across different renders engine.
  --
 
 
  And we still get many visitors using older browsers, even I.E. 6.   So
  I'd recommend using a rasterized version of the logo on the website or
  anywhere else we expect random users to visit.  There are ways of
  having both SVG and raster images, but if we're not seeing consistent
  SVG rendering then it would be safer to just render via Inkscape and
  use that.
 
 
  There is a way to have a uncritical SVG version - just convert all
 text to
  polygons first (and use absolute polygon paths, e.g. in inkscape). That
  version would be safe since it would not use any font references, only
  graphics (polygons). Relying on font rendering in SVG does simply not
 work
  for multiple different systems, versions of these and even evtl.
 different
  languages and installed fonts.
 
 
  That might fix this one issue, but what about older browsers like I.E.
  6?   Will the logo render perfectly everywhere?  We have challenges
  getting even HTML and Javascript to work right everywhere.   I don't
  think we want to risk having our brand image rendering poorly.  We've
  gone 12 years with a raster logo on the website.  It works.
 
 
  And I should mention that we get 200K+ visits/month from mobile phones
  and tablets as well.
 

 And finally, converting to polygons in advance prevents the TrueType
 engines from doing its best job at rendering the font hinting at
 various scales.   Compare it yourself.  Take 12-point text, convert to
 polygons and then scale up (or down) the polygons.  Then try again
 with an actual font reference.  It might vary by font, but a
 well-designed font will render much better if you do not convert to
 polygons first.


​Umm.. I havent heard this before but AFAIK most fonts are developed on SVG
now. Fontforge uses as a core filetype to quote an example.




 -Rob

 
  -Rob
 
 
  Sincerely,
  Armin
 
 
 
  -Rob
 
 
  Sent from my Nokia N900
 
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  On 27 September 2013 09:23, Jörg Schmidt joe...@j-m-schmidt.de
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  But a note:
  The M in TM is shown cut off and the representation of TM is
  different in Internet Explorer and Firefox, once serifs, once
 without
  serifs, at an official logo should not be.
 
 
 
  Display artifact in Firefox. It's fine in Inkscape or on Wikimedia
  Commons:
 
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Aoo4-main-tm-logo-rgb.svg
 
 
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Re: Where can I find the new AOO4-Logo as a vector format?

2013-09-27 Thread Rob Weir
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 11:51 AM, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote:
 On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 10:46 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

 On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Armin Le Grand armin.le.gr...@me.com
 wrote:
  Hi Rob,
 
 
  On 27.09.2013 14:50, Rob Weir wrote:
 
  On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 6:04 AM, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org
 wrote:
 
  My guess is that the TM are not converted to path. Font diven logos
 could
  be unstable across different renders engine.
  --
 
 
  And we still get many visitors using older browsers, even I.E. 6.   So
  I'd recommend using a rasterized version of the logo on the website or
  anywhere else we expect random users to visit.  There are ways of
  having both SVG and raster images, but if we're not seeing consistent
  SVG rendering then it would be safer to just render via Inkscape and
  use that.
 
 
  There is a way to have a uncritical SVG version - just convert all text
 to
  polygons first (and use absolute polygon paths, e.g. in inkscape). That
  version would be safe since it would not use any font references, only
  graphics (polygons). Relying on font rendering in SVG does simply not
 work
  for multiple different systems, versions of these and even evtl.
 different
  languages and installed fonts.
 

 That might fix this one issue, but what about older browsers like I.E.
 6?   Will the logo render perfectly everywhere?  We have challenges
 getting even HTML and Javascript to work right everywhere.   I don't
 think we want to risk having our brand image rendering poorly.  We've
 gone 12 years with a raster logo on the website.  It works.


 I think you are confusing the render on the browser with using this as a
 web design element. SVG have been around for ages, the fact that this user
 asked for a vectorized version (to use for whatever reason) and he happen
 to notice an issue on the browser, doesnt mean his intentions is to put it
 on the page.


It is a reasonable assumption that the mention of the rendering on the
browser was not unrelated.

 That said, I strongly think we should switch to SVG, natively, is much
 smaller, and more open.


PNG = ISO/IEC 15948.  So it is an open standard as well.  As for
encouraging the propagation of our logo in an easily reusable vector
format, I don't agree with that.  I think we should keep the source to
the logo rather controlled and make raster versions of it available
for approved purposes.

-Rob

 There are also many fallback libraries like svg.js and modernizr for older
 browser. IE6  1% of the market. I think we have bigger issues that are not
 working on the site than 1% of the visits.







 -Rob


  Sincerely,
  Armin
 
 
 
  -Rob
 
 
  Sent from my Nokia N900
 
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  On 27 September 2013 09:23, Jörg Schmidt joe...@j-m-schmidt.de
 wrote:
 
  But a note:
  The M in TM is shown cut off and the representation of TM is
  different in Internet Explorer and Firefox, once serifs, once without
  serifs, at an official logo should not be.
 
 
 
  Display artifact in Firefox. It's fine in Inkscape or on Wikimedia
  Commons:
 
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Aoo4-main-tm-logo-rgb.svg
 
 
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Re: Where can I find the new AOO4-Logo as a vector format?

2013-09-27 Thread Rob Weir
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 11:53 AM, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote:
 On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

 On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
  On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 11:46 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
  On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Armin Le Grand armin.le.gr...@me.com
 wrote:
  Hi Rob,
 
 
  On 27.09.2013 14:50, Rob Weir wrote:
 
  On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 6:04 AM, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org
 wrote:
 
  My guess is that the TM are not converted to path. Font diven logos
 could
  be unstable across different renders engine.
  --
 
 
  And we still get many visitors using older browsers, even I.E. 6.   So
  I'd recommend using a rasterized version of the logo on the website or
  anywhere else we expect random users to visit.  There are ways of
  having both SVG and raster images, but if we're not seeing consistent
  SVG rendering then it would be safer to just render via Inkscape and
  use that.
 
 
  There is a way to have a uncritical SVG version - just convert all
 text to
  polygons first (and use absolute polygon paths, e.g. in inkscape). That
  version would be safe since it would not use any font references, only
  graphics (polygons). Relying on font rendering in SVG does simply not
 work
  for multiple different systems, versions of these and even evtl.
 different
  languages and installed fonts.
 
 
  That might fix this one issue, but what about older browsers like I.E.
  6?   Will the logo render perfectly everywhere?  We have challenges
  getting even HTML and Javascript to work right everywhere.   I don't
  think we want to risk having our brand image rendering poorly.  We've
  gone 12 years with a raster logo on the website.  It works.
 
 
  And I should mention that we get 200K+ visits/month from mobile phones
  and tablets as well.
 

 And finally, converting to polygons in advance prevents the TrueType
 engines from doing its best job at rendering the font hinting at
 various scales.   Compare it yourself.  Take 12-point text, convert to
 polygons and then scale up (or down) the polygons.  Then try again
 with an actual font reference.  It might vary by font, but a
 well-designed font will render much better if you do not convert to
 polygons first.


 Umm.. I havent heard this before but AFAIK most fonts are developed on SVG
 now. Fontforge uses as a core filetype to quote an example.


See:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Font_hinting

Whether the font was designed in SVG is not relevant.  Font hinting
occurs at another level.  It is the extra instructions that tell the
font renderer that a 8pt font, a 24 pt font and a 80 pt font are not
linear scalings of each other.

-Rob





 -Rob

 
  -Rob
 
 
  Sincerely,
  Armin
 
 
 
  -Rob
 
 
  Sent from my Nokia N900
 
  On Fri Sep 27 04:11:33 2013 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  On 27 September 2013 09:23, Jörg Schmidt joe...@j-m-schmidt.de
 wrote:
 
  But a note:
  The M in TM is shown cut off and the representation of TM is
  different in Internet Explorer and Firefox, once serifs, once
 without
  serifs, at an official logo should not be.
 
 
 
  Display artifact in Firefox. It's fine in Inkscape or on Wikimedia
  Commons:
 
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Aoo4-main-tm-logo-rgb.svg
 
 
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Re: Where can I find the new AOO4-Logo as a vector format?

2013-09-27 Thread Rob Weir
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 2:47 AM, Jörg Schmidt joe...@j-m-schmidt.de wrote:
 Hello,

 I need a scalable format of the new AOO4 logo, where can I find it?


Hi Jörg , could you say some more about what you want to do with the
logo, so we can make sure we get you what you need?

Is this for the PrOOoBox?

-Rob


 Greetings,
 Jörg


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LibOpenOffice library

2013-09-27 Thread Misha Konoplitskiy
Good day!

Our company has developed a library to automate Apache OpenOffice -
http://4k.com.ua/products/others/libopenoffice

I would like to know whether there is an opportunity to advertise this
product at http://www.openoffice.org/ ?

Or with whom I could discuss ways of cooperation?

Thank you!


Re: Note: Updated BZ for new AOO version

2013-09-27 Thread Kay Schenk
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 7:19 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

 I've deactivated 4.0.1-dev as a version for new defects.  I've added
 4.0.1 as new version.  There already exists a 4.1.0-dev version string

 I also deactivated 4.0.1 as a milestone assignment.

 Note: there are three bugs that are assigned the 4.0.1 milestone but
 are not marked as fixed, or even marked as accepted:

 118363 Base code iss...@openoffice.apache.org CONF --- Copy From OOo
 Base Query Fails To Grab Full Selection

 122094 Writer save-exp iss...@openoffice.apache.org CONF --- Protected
 MS WORD documents opened in OPEN OFFICE lose the protection

 123311 Native-L eu iss...@openoffice.apache.org CONF --- UI: Print
 dialog shows wrong texts in menu 'File - Print - General

 I'll reset these to have no milestone.  I don't think we want defects
 with a milestone assignment unless someone has taken ownership of
 them.

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Re: Where can I find the new AOO4-Logo as a vector format?

2013-09-27 Thread Jörg Schmidt
Hello Rob, 

 From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org] 

 Hi Jörg , could you say some more about what you want to do with the
 logo, so we can make sure we get you what you need?
 
 Is this for the PrOOoBox?

There are several reasons:

First, yes it is for the PrOOo box, for a new Cover.

Second, I want to print some 3D-stickers to give it away. (e.g. on our AOO 
Stammtisch [1] or as a give-away to some friends and acquaintances)


Greetings,
Jörg


[1]
See:
http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/DE-AOO/Stammtische

I do not know what Stammtisch in english is called.

In Germany, Stammtisch is the term for a specific table in a restaurant or 
for a meeting of insiders on a specific topic. The latter meaning is intended 
here.

See wikipedia (sorry, german):
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stammtisch



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Re: LibOpenOffice library

2013-09-27 Thread Rob Weir
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 12:31 PM, Misha Konoplitskiy
libopenoff...@gmail.com wrote:
 Good day!

 Our company has developed a library to automate Apache OpenOffice -
 http://4k.com.ua/products/others/libopenoffice

 I would like to know whether there is an opportunity to advertise this
 product at http://www.openoffice.org/ ?



Hello Misha,

As a non-profit organization Apache does not place traditional
advertisements on our websites for 3rd parties.  But we do try to
encourage an ecosystem on 3rd products and services related to
OpenOffice.   So currently we're happy to list 3rd party items like:

-- Unofficial ports and distributions of OpenOffice:
http://www.openoffice.org/porting/

-- Books about OpenOffice:   http://www.openoffice.org/support/books.html

-- Listing of consultants who offer services related to OpenOffice:
http://www.openoffice.org/bizdev/consultants.html

I don't think we've had any 3rd party library like LibOpenOffice, so
we'll need to think about where the best place to list it would be.

Also, we're always interested in good stories for our blog about how
people use OpenOffice to solve real problems.  So it might be possible
to give more prominence to your library in a blog post like that.  But
we'd want to focus it on how you used OpenOffice, what problem you
were solving, what approach you used, what you learned about
OpenOffice in process, things like that.


Regards,

-Rob

 Or with whom I could discuss ways of cooperation?

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Re: Add to Apache OpenOffice Consultants List - for review by the Project Management Committee

2013-09-27 Thread Rob Weir
Hello Rainer,

Thanks for your listing.  I'll wait a few days to see if anyone here
has questions.  And if there are no objections I'll add your listing
to the website early next week.

Regards,

-Rob

On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 6:36 AM,  p...@rainerstoll.at wrote:
 Name: Ing. Mag. Rainer Stoll - Unternehmensberatung
 Country: AT
 Practice: Training, Support
 Description: Apache OpenOffice training and user support for day-to-day
 office use (all Modules) and also individual business cases with intense
 usage of special Writer and Calc capabilities like serial letters with
 conditional parts of text or half automated Calc data entry and analysis for
 invoicing and (cost-) accounting.
 Website:  http://www.rainerstoll.at http://www.rainerstoll.at
 Email: p...@rainerstoll.at
 Phone: +43 (0)2732 70250


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Re: [Accessibility] Calc and Impress got complete ia2 support -- (aoo-w7ia2) Buildbot currently failing

2013-09-27 Thread Andrew Rist


On 9/27/2013 6:44 AM, V Stuart Foote wrote:

Steve,

Great news!  Once we have a useable build...

I just checked and the current r1526782 based ia2 branch is failing snapshot
Buildbot for svn under cygwin

So the (aoo-w7ia2) Buildbot for the ia2 branch again needs some attention.

just gave it some attention and it is running now...
A.


Stuart






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Important change to 4.0.1 Release Notes -- may impact translations

2013-09-27 Thread Rob Weir
I just noticed that the release notes did not have a link to the
download page.   You might think that the typical path is:

1) user visits ww.openoffice.org
2) user clicks download link
3) from download page user clicks on release notes

But there are also other common paths, including 3rd party articles
and blogs, tweets, that link directly to the release notes, and might
not even mention the download page.

So I've added two links to the download page in the first paragraph of
the release notes.  If you have started a translation please try to
include something similar.

Thanks!

-Rob

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[WEBSITE] Planned time for site update

2013-09-27 Thread Michal Hriň


Hi,

it would be good to know:

- when will be r4.0.1 announced on web site?
- will be main download page modified?

Thanks for info.
Regards, Michal Hriň

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Re: [WEBSITE] Planned time for site update

2013-09-27 Thread Rob Weir
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 2:19 PM, Michal Hriň michal.h...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Hi,

 it would be good to know:

 - when will be r4.0.1 announced on web site?
 - will be main download page modified?


The general order is:


The general order is:

1) Stage the files on SF and Apache dist, verify that they have replicated

2) Update download page scripts to it offers the new version.

3) Announce (website, blog, announce list, social media)

4) Enable update notification servers

It sounds like 1 is done but requires confirmation.

Marcus will take care of #2 Sunday night or
Monday.

I'll plan on doing #3 as soon as #2 is confirmed.   I can also help
upload any updated NL pages.

Oliver has #4 ready to go and will probably enable this after a couple of days.

Regards,

-Rob


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Re: Important change to 4.0.1 Release Notes -- may impact translations

2013-09-27 Thread Kay Schenk
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 10:48 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

 I just noticed that the release notes did not have a link to the
 download page.   You might think that the typical path is:

 1) user visits ww.openoffice.org
 2) user clicks download link
 3) from download page user clicks on release notes

 But there are also other common paths, including 3rd party articles
 and blogs, tweets, that link directly to the release notes, and might
 not even mention the download page.

 So I've added two links to the download page in the first paragraph of
 the release notes.  If you have started a translation please try to
 include something similar.

 Thanks!

 -Rob

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It's a wonder we didn't think of this before.

As before, I will probably render an html version to put on the web server
in case we need it. Probably Sunday night.



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Re: bug 107063 (needs update)

2013-09-27 Thread bugreporter99
What exactly are you looking for?  We don't have any user with ID 
that
matches that regular expression, e.g., a line starting with ooo
followed immediately by a line end.

I was trying to use ^ as a beginning of a string and $ as the end of a string. 
To tell BZ that I just want ooo and nothing else like os_ooo.

A simpler way to describe this query might be to do an advanced 
query of:

Assignee: (contains none of the strings) openoffice, ooo, issues, 
AOO
security list, secur...@openoffice.apache.org

The problem here is that os_ooo, mst.ooo and wuyan.ooorg are also excluded but 
I only want to exclude ooo (besides the other like openoffice...).

It depends on the field type.  But in most cases, such as with the
assignee field, it is a string comparison.

So why does it not work when I just use ooo as the value? I also tried using 
ooo and 'ooo' but that did not work either.
Is there a special way to tell BZ that ooo is a string, that I might have 
missed?

thx

On 27.09.2013 at 4:29 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 9:39 AM,  bugreporte...@hushmail.com 
wrote:
I'd use the Search by People section.  The first of the three
groups

 The problem is, in the final step (atm I'm just tinkering) I 
want to exclude more than three assignees from the search.
 some of the assignees I'd like to exclude:
 openoffice
 ooo
 AOO security list
 issues
 secur...@openoffice.apache.org

If you use the advanced search options then you need to select
matches regular expression rather than is equal to.

 Using ^ooo$ and matches regular expression does not work for 
me.


What exactly are you looking for?  We don't have any user with ID 
that
matches that regular expression, e.g., a line starting with ooo
followed immediately by a line end.

A simpler way to describe this query might be to do an advanced 
query of:

Assignee: (contains none of the strings) openoffice, ooo, issues, 
AOO
security list, secur...@openoffice.apache.org

 Can you tell what is equal to can be used for? (only int, 
double, ...?)


It depends on the field type.  But in most cases, such as with the
assignee field, it is a string comparison.

Regards,

-Rob

you will end up owing Scotch to Apache Infra admins for the
extra
work they have to do to clean up the mess ;-)

 I see.

 thx

 On 26.09.2013 at 11:47 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 4:50 PM,  bugreporte...@hushmail.com
wrote:
 You can use the criterion Time Since Assignee Touched is
greater than
 Did not see that thanks.

Back in July I reset the assignment for all issues that had not
changed in more than 2000 days.

 Today is September 26, 2013 so that means that 2000 days before
today would be April 5, 2008. [1]
 Can you please tell me why the assignee of the issue
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=20525  was not 
reset?
 Cause when looking at the History there is nothing after 2004-
06-
17 15:00:01 UTC (besides a comment on 2007-05-03 12:24:50 UTC ).


I used the time since assignee touched field. It looks like in
this
case the assignee changed his email address.  I don't know if 
that
impacted the query strategy.  But you can find all the issues 
that
I
did reset by searching for the comment string Reset assignee on
issues not touched by assignee in more than 2000 days.

 Can you please tell me how to find bugs of a certain assignee?
 I want to get all bugs listed which are from the assignee ooo .
 When (in the Advanced Search) I select Assignee in Custom
Search  and  choose is equal to and then set
 the value to ooo it does not work. Using is equal to any of 
the
strings instead of is equal to does
 not work as well - ?


I'd use the Search by People section.  The first of the three
groups
there is already set up to search for assignee.  One of the 
search
options is for contains, so you can then just enter ooo.

 Trying to use regular expression and typing ^ooo$ does also not
work. (^ooo works but then I get also things like ooo*)


If you use the advanced search options then you need to select
matches regular expression rather than is equal to.

We all know who is active and who isn't.
 Did not know that.

Notifications are all-or-nothing.  A BZ admin can disable all
notifications, run a batch operation, and then re-enable
notifications.  But we have no easy way to notify only 
assignees.

 What would happen if you leave the notification enabled and 
then
reset all the assignee fields?


It would not be pretty.  It would trigger notifications to be
emailed
to the old assignee, but also everyone that commented on the 
issue
previously, or added themselves to cc.   So a rough guess, for N
old
issues you would generate 4x email notifications.   Doing this 
for
a
handful, 10 or 20 issues is fine.  But not for thousands.  If you
do
this you will end up owing Scotch to Apache Infra admins for the
extra
work they have to do to clean up the mess ;-)

Regards,

-Rob


 thx