Digital signing for Windows in 4.1.2

[Steve]

Hello,
Will OpenOffice 4.1.2 have digitally signed installers on Windows?
This was the plan according to this email conversation (from December):
http://markmail.org/message/hesxtcrg3724lc42
It has been mentioned in the January and April reports 
too:https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/2015+Jan
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/2015+Apr

Thanks,
Steve

RE: 4.1.2_release_blocker requested: [Issue 126597] Object Properties dialog contains "JRE Required" trap

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

I'm sorry.  It was not my intention to request a release blocker.  That must 
have been automatically checked.

Please deny the request.  I agree completely that there should be no blocker on 
this.

 - Dennis

> -Original Message-
> From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2015 00:43
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: 4.1.2_release_blocker requested: [Issue 126597] Object
> Properties dialog contains "JRE Required" trap
> 
> -1
> 
> I don't think that this is new stuff that came in accidently with the
> last commits/merges. So, at this release stage an rather old issue that
> should be fixed with 4.1.x or 4.2.0.
> 
> My 2ct.
> 
> Marcus
> 
> 
> 
> Am 10/20/2015 02:01 AM, schrieb bugzi...@apache.org:
> > orcmid  has asked  for 4.1.2_release_blocker:
> > Issue 126597: Object Properties dialog contains "JRE Required" trap
> > https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=126597
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Description ---
> > Created attachment 85054
> >-->  https://bz.apache.org/ooo/attachment.cgi?id=85054=edit
> > Object properties with JRE required message at the Macro taab
> >
> > In Writer and elsewhere that OLE-embedded Objects are allowed, the
> "Object"
> > property sheet Macro tab contains a JRE-Required trap.  As soon as
> the tab is
> > selected, there is a warning message that
> >
> > JRE Required
> >  OpenOffice requires a Java runtime environment (JRE) to
> >  perform this task.  Please install a JRE and restart
> >  OpenOffice.
> >
> > The OK button on this dialog clears it momentarily and then the same
> dialog
> > reappears.  There is no way to close either the dialog or the open
> application.
> > There is no way to save any work at this point.
> >
> > The only way I found to proceed is to use the Windows Task Manager to
> close
> > OpenOffice, restart/shutdown the Windows desktop, or power-down the
> computer.
> >
> > This is related to but not the same incident as #122108 #79125 #121245
> #122185
> > #74940 #15147 #45709
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Re: Re: Time for OpenOffice 4.1.2-RC3

[Grazia Giovanni]

Il 19/10/2015 13:42, Andrea Pescetti ha scritto:
> Andrea Pescetti wrote:
>> handful "important" ones: http://s.apache.org/KL1
>> Most notably, we still need verification of:
>> - WebDAV and Sharepoint issues
>> - Proper functionality of update URLs for OpenOffice and extensions
>> - A PDF issue and a LanguageTool issue
>
> Update: verification of these issues is now complete, with good 
> results except for a few glitches still existing in the Sharepoint 
> issue. I will start merging commits to AOO410 in preparation of an RC3 
> anyway. In the meantime, please keep testing RC2, even for everyday 
> tasks.
>
Andrea, as you know, I'm willing to test RC3 as soon as it's ready.

I've already tested RC2 against the Sharepoint issue (see 
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=125194):
- on MacOs X client (v. 10.10.2): it worked fine
- on Windows 7: it failed

Then I've tested RC2 + latest patch from Giuseppe (see 
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=125194#c25) on Windows 7 and 
it worked as expected.
So I'm quite confident RC3 will work fine.

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Re: Time for OpenOffice 4.1.2-RC3

[Andrea Pescetti]

On 20/10/2015 Grazia Giovanni wrote:

Il 19/10/2015 13:42, Andrea Pescetti ha scritto:

Update: verification of these issues is now complete, with good
results except for a few glitches still existing in the Sharepoint
issue.

Then I've tested RC2 + latest patch from Giuseppe (see
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=125194#c25) on Windows 7 and
it worked as expected.
So I'm quite confident RC3 will work fine.


OK, thanks for the tests. Patch is now committed to both trunk and 
AOO410 for OpenOffice 4.1.2-RC3.


Updates have been tested but are crucial, so more testing is welcome. 
It's simple: all OpenOffice 4.1.2-RC2 installations will now give you 
(automatically or using "?" - "Check for updates") a warning saying that 
a (fictional!) version 4.1.3 is available. Just check that you are 
brought somewhere on the official site. This is worth a check since the 
new code for Sharepoint brings some changes in the way web resources are 
handled.


That said, I'm happy to say that all issues needing verification have 
now been verified, so it is really time for OpenOffice 4.1.2-RC3 as per 
subject. Stay tuned for binaries.


Regards,
  Andrea.

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RE: [QUESTION] Optional Java Use for Essential Functionality

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

Summary of what this thread revealed, in-line.

> -Original Message-
> From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:orc...@apache.org]
> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2015 12:58
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: [QUESTION] Optional Java Use for Essential Functionality
> 
> In looking into some usability issues, I ran into a concern about how
> Java
> is optional yet there are features that absolutely depend on it.  I
> think
> some of those are essential features.
> 
> I have been mentioning this in other contexts and I'd like to test
> community
> wisdom for understanding here.
> 
> I have opened a question on the ASF Legal-Discuss list:
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-228


[orcmid] 
It is agreed that this case does not apply, and the issue is closed.  

It is established in the system requirements that Java is necessary to
achieve full functionality.  See
.  It could
be more clear and many users, if they consult system requirements at all,
might not scroll down to the statement about Java.  But the (non-optional)
conditional requirement for Java is clear.

> 
> The essential cases that startled me were: (1) Creating a new Base
> document,
> with default repository, only to find out that I can't edit it or
> otherwise
> make use of the default repository without a JRE, at least on Windows;
> (2)
> The Help | OpenOffice Help (F1) | Find search operation.
> 
> If we are not going to install a suitable JRE as part of AOO binary
> installers, how should we make it more clear that Java is required for
> what
> might seem to be essential functions?
> 
[ ... ]
> 
> Should advice just be to install a suitable JRE?
> 
> Or should we differentiate where Java will be required before an user is
> surprised by an announcement that an operation can't be performed
> because
> there is no suitable JRE installed?

[orcmid] There were some unexpected responses to these questions.

 2. One suggestion was to remove the dependencies on Java.

 3. Other suggestions included increasing the dependencies on Java, perhaps
going so far as to make AOO a Java application.

 4. Some remarks suggested that, since the JRE dependency has been that way
since Apache OpenOffice started releasing, it must not be much of a problem.

I am wary of (4).  I tend to have different suspicions about situations such
as any similar to .  

I think the way to determine the extent to which JRE-required and similar
traps are problems may require consultation with those closer to what and
where users report.  I wonder what different reactions might be in those
places.

 -- Dennis


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Re: Please test updates with OpenOffice 4.1.2-RC2

[Matthias Seidel]

Works for me on Ubuntu (Linux 32)!

kind regards, Matthias

Am 21.10.2015 um 00:12 schrieb Andrea Pescetti:

I've just enabled a test (fake!) feed for OpenOffice updates.

Please check with 4.1.2-RC2 that the menu "?" - "Check for updates"
gives you a message saying that OpenOffice 4.1.3 (remember, this is just
a test!) is available, and brings you to somewhere on the
www.openoffice.org site (the exact address depends on your language and
OS) to download the new version.

It would be good to have confirmation with all supported platforms (one
confirmation is OK), so:

- Windows
- Mac OS X
- Linux 32
- Linux 64 (confirmed OK)

If you notice anything strange, please note it in
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=126480

It would also be good if, while at it, you can install an old dictionary
like

http://sourceforge.net/projects/aoo-extensions/files/1075/12/dict-de_de-frami_2012-06-17.oxt/download


or

http://sourceforge.net/projects/aoo-extensions/files/1204/10/dict-it.oxt/download


and then, in Tools - Extensions Manager - Check for updates, check that
OpenOffice correctly tells you that a newer version is available.

Regards,
   Andrea.

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Please test updates with OpenOffice 4.1.2-RC2

[Andrea Pescetti]

I've just enabled a test (fake!) feed for OpenOffice updates.

Please check with 4.1.2-RC2 that the menu "?" - "Check for updates" 
gives you a message saying that OpenOffice 4.1.3 (remember, this is just 
a test!) is available, and brings you to somewhere on the 
www.openoffice.org site (the exact address depends on your language and 
OS) to download the new version.


It would be good to have confirmation with all supported platforms (one 
confirmation is OK), so:


- Windows
- Mac OS X
- Linux 32
- Linux 64 (confirmed OK)

If you notice anything strange, please note it in 
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=126480


It would also be good if, while at it, you can install an old dictionary 
like


http://sourceforge.net/projects/aoo-extensions/files/1075/12/dict-de_de-frami_2012-06-17.oxt/download

or

http://sourceforge.net/projects/aoo-extensions/files/1204/10/dict-it.oxt/download

and then, in Tools - Extensions Manager - Check for updates, check that 
OpenOffice correctly tells you that a newer version is available.


Regards,
  Andrea.

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Re: Please test updates with OpenOffice 4.1.2-RC2

[Kay Schenk]

On 10/20/2015 03:12 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
> I've just enabled a test (fake!) feed for OpenOffice updates.
> 
> Please check with 4.1.2-RC2 that the menu "?" - "Check for updates"
> gives you a message saying that OpenOffice 4.1.3 (remember, this is
> just a test!) is available, and brings you to somewhere on the
> www.openoffice.org site (the exact address depends on your language
> and OS) to download the new version.
> 
> It would be good to have confirmation with all supported platforms
> (one confirmation is OK), so:
> 
> - Windows
> - Mac OS X
> - Linux 32
> - Linux 64 (confirmed OK)

works for me on CentOS 6.7 -- 32 bit.

> 
> If you notice anything strange, please note it in
> https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=126480
> 
> It would also be good if, while at it, you can install an old
> dictionary like
> 
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/aoo-extensions/files/1075/12/dict-de_de-frami_2012-06-17.oxt/download
> 
> 
> or
> 
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/aoo-extensions/files/1204/10/dict-it.oxt/download
> 
> 
> and then, in Tools - Extensions Manager - Check for updates, check
> that OpenOffice correctly tells you that a newer version is available.
> 
> Regards,
>   Andrea.
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RE: Please test updates with OpenOffice 4.1.2-RC2

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

I confirmed that "Check for Updates" works on Windows 10 Pro x64 en-US.

The results are at .

I did not do the extensions test.

 - Dennis



> -Original Message-
> From: Andrea Pescetti [mailto:pesce...@apache.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2015 15:12
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Please test updates with OpenOffice 4.1.2-RC2
> 
> I've just enabled a test (fake!) feed for OpenOffice updates.
> 
> Please check with 4.1.2-RC2 that the menu "?" - "Check for updates"
> gives you a message saying that OpenOffice 4.1.3 (remember, this is just
> a test!) is available, and brings you to somewhere on the
> www.openoffice.org site (the exact address depends on your language and
> OS) to download the new version.
> 
> It would be good to have confirmation with all supported platforms (one
> confirmation is OK), so:
> 
> - Windows
> - Mac OS X
> - Linux 32
> - Linux 64 (confirmed OK)
> 
> If you notice anything strange, please note it in
> https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=126480
> 
> It would also be good if, while at it, you can install an old dictionary
> like
> 
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/aoo-extensions/files/1075/12/dict-de_de-
> frami_2012-06-17.oxt/download
> 
> or
> 
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/aoo-extensions/files/1204/10/dict-
> it.oxt/download
> 
> and then, in Tools - Extensions Manager - Check for updates, check that
> OpenOffice correctly tells you that a newer version is available.
> 
> Regards,
>Andrea.
> 
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Re: Please test updates with OpenOffice 4.1.2-RC2

[Larry Gusaas]

On 2015-10-20, 4:12 PM Andrea Pescetti wrote:

It would be good to have confirmation with all supported platforms (one 
confirmation is OK), so:

- Windows
- Mac OS X
- Linux 32
- Linux 64 (confirmed OK) 

Works on Mac OS X ver. 10.10.5

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_

Larry I. Gusaas
Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan Canada
Website: http://larry-gusaas.com
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Re: Please test updates with OpenOffice 4.1.2-RC2

[F C. Costero]

I verified the Check for Updates in the Extension Manager on Windows 7 64
bit and it correctly flagged my downlevel extensions.
Clicking the Install button doesn't seem to do anything useful. A progress
window makes it look like a download is underway but afterwards I can't
find any extension files and restarting AOO shows that the old extensions
are still in place. Am I being stupid?
Francis

On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 5:46 PM, Larry Gusaas 
wrote:

> On 2015-10-20, 4:12 PM Andrea Pescetti wrote:
>
>> It would be good to have confirmation with all supported platforms (one
>> confirmation is OK), so:
>>
>> - Windows
>> - Mac OS X
>> - Linux 32
>> - Linux 64 (confirmed OK)
>>
> Works on Mac OS X ver. 10.10.5
>
> --
> _
>
> Larry I. Gusaas
> Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan Canada
> Website: http://larry-gusaas.com
> "An artist is never ahead of his time but most people are far behind
> theirs." - Edgard Varese
>
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[REPORT] PMC 2015-08 Private-List Activity through August

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

This is an extension of the previous analysis (through July 2015) to be through 
August 2015.

It is also an initial effort to provide some measure of the quality of the 
discussions in terms of being PMC-necessary or being PMC-unnecessary.  By 
PMC-unnecessary is meant discussion that is explicitly not included in what 
must be conducted on a PMC and that is best conducted in the full community 
(i.e., on this dev@ list) if at all.  

For the qualitative appraisal, the month of August is analyzed by itself.  This 
establishes a base for month-by-month qualitative comparisons, starting with 
the analysis for September.

NUMBER OF SUBJECTS AND AMOUNT OF DISCUSSION

   July  August YTD

   Posts237 2081549
  Topics 28  33 195
 Average8.5 6.3 7.9

with some tallying errors between the traffic and the topics.

PMC-UNNECESSARY TOPICS. By manual inspection, I identified 6 of the 33 August 
topics as PMC-unnecessary.  That 18% of topics accounted for 72/208 = 35% of 
the posts.


OVERALL PRIVATE MESSAGE TRAFFIC 
(243 days from January 1 through August 31)

2015 | Private List Messages  | August 
 thru August | PMC   ASF  Other   All | PMC

   %8414  2   
  Totals  1306   222 36  1564   161
prev  1145   182 31  1358   221
   %  84.4  13.42.3   

 Senders2225 267315
prev2223 236816

  Per sender  59.4   8.91.4  21.4  10.7
prev  52.0   7.91.3  20.0  13.8

 Per day   5.4   0.90.1   6.4   5.2
prev   5.4   0.90.1   6.4   7.1

The annualized rate does not vary significantly with the addition of August.  
There is noticeable difference between July and August, however, with August 
the quieter month.

In August, for the 161 messages from the 15 PMC members who posted to the list, 

53% of the messages are from the three
PMC members who were the most vocal
76% of the messages are from the six
most vocal
91% were from the most vocal 9 of the
15 PMC members that posted

approximating the overall pattern through July.


 - Dennis
 

> -Original Message-
> From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:orc...@apache.org]
> Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 14:43
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: RE: [REPORT] PMC 2015-07 Private-List Activity through July
[ ... ]
> 
> OVERALL PRIVATE MESSAGE TRAFFIC
> 
> This is a breakdown of the traffic in the 212 days from January through
> July, 2015, by role of the sender.
> 
> 2015 | Private List Messages
>thru July | PMC  ASF  Other   All
> 
>   Totals  1145  182 31  1358
>  Senders22   23 2368
>   Per sender  52.0  7.91.3  20.0
>(average)
>  Per day   5.4  0.90.1   6.4
> 
> Of all the messages sent,
> 
>   84.3% are by members of the PMC,
>   13.4% are by other ASF participants, and
>2.3% are by others.
[ ... ]
> For the 1145 messages from the 22 PMC members who posted to the list so
> far this year,
> 
>   49% of the messages are from the three
>   PMC members who were the most vocal
>   in the studied period.
>   75% of the messages are from the seven
>   most vocal.
>   91% were from the most vocal 11 of the
>   22 PMC members that posted.
> 
> 
> NUMBER OF SUBJECTS AND AMOUNT OF DISCUSSION
> 
> A review of the same message archives, for January - July, 2015, tallied
> 
>  168 subjects discussed across 1341 posts,
>  about 0.8 new topics per day.
>The variance of 17 from the first tally
>  is negligible and will not be corrected.
>  The raw data is available for auditing
>  by the PMC.
> 
>  8.0 is the average number of messages on a
>  single subject
> 
>   5% is the portion of the overall messages
>  used in the longest thread, one with
>  73 messages
> 
>  50% of the messages are on the 20 longest
>  discussion threads.  The shortest thread
>  in that group has 18 messages.
> 
>  75% of the messages are on the 50 longest
>  discussions.  The shortest threads in
>  that group have 8 messages.
> 
>  90% of the messages are on the 84 longest
>  discussions (i.e., half of the
>  threads).  The shortest threads in
>  that group have 4 messages each.
> 
>  The remaining 10% consists of 84 threads
>  having 3, 2, and 1 messages each.
> 
> This does not speak to the quality or the necessity of these messages
> and any particular thread.  The PMC has detailed supporting data.
> 
>   [end of report]


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