Re: Building module store error on macOS

2018-03-27 Thread Damjan Jovanovic
Oh I wasn't aware. In that case, thank you Larry, great work :).

Why don't we hear from you Mac guys more? How can we work better together?
What happened to Jim's Mac buildbot idea?


On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 5:03 AM, Dave Fisher  wrote:

> Hi Damjan,
>
> Larry has contributed Release and Build testing for MacOS. I thank him for
> that.
>
> We are all in this together. No one individual should feel overburdened.
> Enough have stuck around and things are developing.
>
> Larry - Are you ready to test Jim’s MacOS build instructions and try to
> build on your Mac?
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Mar 27, 2018, at 7:44 PM, Damjan Jovanovic  wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 12:57 AM, Larry Gusaas 
> > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> On 2018-03-27, 4:32 PM Dave Fisher wrote concerning "Re: Building module
> >> store error on macOS":
> >>
> >> For development purposes Apple does not allow virtualization and
> >>> development has to proceed on physical Apple boxes.
> >>>
> >>> If we could have macOS on a VM not on Apple hardware then we would
> have a
> >>> Apache hosted macOS buildbot now and for the prior four years.
> >>>
> >>
> >> True, but there are very good reasons for Apple to work that way.
> >>
> >> So, Apple does cost the project more.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Yes. But that is not what I responded to. The specific quote was "Apple
> >> products are disproportionately expensive", which is pure FUD. That
> along
> >> with the statement "or Mac could be dropped as a supported platform"
> gets
> >> my hackles up. It is typical of the anti-Mac rhetoric I encounter way
> too
> >> often.
> >>
> >
> > If Apple is that cheap for you and you believe in it that much, I've
> > already outlined what you can do, such as buying us a Mac mini or
> providing
> > access to one, or contributing as a developer.
>
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Re: Building module store error on macOS

2018-03-27 Thread Dave Fisher
Hi Damjan,

Larry has contributed Release and Build testing for MacOS. I thank him for that.

We are all in this together. No one individual should feel overburdened. Enough 
have stuck around and things are developing.

Larry - Are you ready to test Jim’s MacOS build instructions and try to build 
on your Mac?

Regards,
Dave

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 27, 2018, at 7:44 PM, Damjan Jovanovic  wrote:
> 
> On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 12:57 AM, Larry Gusaas 
> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 2018-03-27, 4:32 PM Dave Fisher wrote concerning "Re: Building module
>> store error on macOS":
>> 
>> For development purposes Apple does not allow virtualization and
>>> development has to proceed on physical Apple boxes.
>>> 
>>> If we could have macOS on a VM not on Apple hardware then we would have a
>>> Apache hosted macOS buildbot now and for the prior four years.
>>> 
>> 
>> True, but there are very good reasons for Apple to work that way.
>> 
>> So, Apple does cost the project more.
>>> 
>> 
>> Yes. But that is not what I responded to. The specific quote was "Apple
>> products are disproportionately expensive", which is pure FUD. That along
>> with the statement "or Mac could be dropped as a supported platform" gets
>> my hackles up. It is typical of the anti-Mac rhetoric I encounter way too
>> often.
>> 
> 
> If Apple is that cheap for you and you believe in it that much, I've
> already outlined what you can do, such as buying us a Mac mini or providing
> access to one, or contributing as a developer.


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Re: Building module store error on macOS

2018-03-27 Thread Damjan Jovanovic
On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 12:57 AM, Larry Gusaas 
wrote:

>
>
> On 2018-03-27, 4:32 PM Dave Fisher wrote concerning "Re: Building module
> store error on macOS":
>
> For development purposes Apple does not allow virtualization and
>> development has to proceed on physical Apple boxes.
>>
>> If we could have macOS on a VM not on Apple hardware then we would have a
>> Apache hosted macOS buildbot now and for the prior four years.
>>
>
> True, but there are very good reasons for Apple to work that way.
>
> So, Apple does cost the project more.
>>
>
> Yes. But that is not what I responded to. The specific quote was "Apple
> products are disproportionately expensive", which is pure FUD. That along
> with the statement "or Mac could be dropped as a supported platform" gets
> my hackles up. It is typical of the anti-Mac rhetoric I encounter way too
> often.
>

If Apple is that cheap for you and you believe in it that much, I've
already outlined what you can do, such as buying us a Mac mini or providing
access to one, or contributing as a developer.


Re: [WEBSITE] Adding +Indexes option to .htaccess

2018-03-27 Thread Kay Schenk
On Tue, Mar 27, 2018, 15:44 Marcus  wrote:

> Am 27.03.2018 um 22:25 schrieb Kay Schenk:
> > I would like  to change our .htaccess file for www.openoffice.org
> > to allow for diretory contents listing when no "default" index.html file
> is
> > available.
> >
> > This would be changing the first line of .htaccess from this:
> >
> > Options +Includes +MultiViews
> >
> > to this:
> >
> > Options +Includes +MultiViews +Indexes
> >
> > tested with my local setup and all good. This would allow for depositing
> > files in a given area without the need for an index.html file with links
> to
> > the files.
>
> I had no idea what "+Indexes" will do. With a quick search I found this
> [1].
>
> > Yes? no? thoughts?
>
> Are you suggesting to use this option as globally or for special
> directories only?
>

Yes, I was suggesting this and knew the consequences as described in the
link you sent. Given that our website is accessible in its entirety through
browsing svn, I didn't think enabling this globally would be so different
from that.


> If globally then I don't think that we should present the raw files of
> any directory when there is no index file available. This isn't simply
> the way we should go.
>

OK. What are your feelings on enabling this in selected directories when
needed?


> [1]
>
> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/15837822/what-is-the-htaccess-options-indexes-for
>
> Marcus
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Re: Building module store error on macOS

2018-03-27 Thread Larry Gusaas



On 2018-03-27, 4:32 PM Dave Fisher wrote concerning "Re: Building module store error 
on macOS":


For development purposes Apple does not allow virtualization and development 
has to proceed on physical Apple boxes.

If we could have macOS on a VM not on Apple hardware then we would have a 
Apache hosted macOS buildbot now and for the prior four years.


True, but there are very good reasons for Apple to work that way.


So, Apple does cost the project more.


Yes. But that is not what I responded to. The specific quote was "Apple products are 
disproportionately expensive", which is pure FUD. That along with the statement "or Mac could 
be dropped as a supported platform" gets my hackles up. It is typical of the anti-Mac rhetoric 
I encounter way too often.



Before you FUD me


I wasn't replying to you.


I’ve been a Mac guy since the MacSE.

Regards,
Dave


On Mar 27, 2018, at 12:01 PM, Larry Gusaas  wrote:



On 2018-03-27, 9:13 AM Damjan Jovanovic wrote concerning "Re: Building module store 
error on macOS":

Apple products are disproportionately expensive

Bulllshit. No, they are not. Quit spreading FUD.


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Re: [WEBSITE] Adding +Indexes option to .htaccess

2018-03-27 Thread Marcus

Am 27.03.2018 um 22:25 schrieb Kay Schenk:

I would like  to change our .htaccess file for www.openoffice.org
to allow for diretory contents listing when no "default" index.html file is
available.

This would be changing the first line of .htaccess from this:

Options +Includes +MultiViews

to this:

Options +Includes +MultiViews +Indexes

tested with my local setup and all good. This would allow for depositing
files in a given area without the need for an index.html file with links to
the files.


I had no idea what "+Indexes" will do. With a quick search I found this [1].


Yes? no? thoughts?


Are you suggesting to use this option as globally or for special 
directories only?


If globally then I don't think that we should present the raw files of 
any directory when there is no index file available. This isn't simply 
the way we should go.


[1] 
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/15837822/what-is-the-htaccess-options-indexes-for


Marcus


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Re: Building module store error on macOS

2018-03-27 Thread Dave Fisher
For development purposes Apple does not allow virtualization and development 
has to proceed on physical Apple boxes.

If we could have macOS on a VM not on Apple hardware then we would have a 
Apache hosted macOS buildbot now and for the prior four years.

So, Apple does cost the project more. Before you FUD me I’ve been a Mac guy 
since the MacSE.

Regards,
Dave

> On Mar 27, 2018, at 12:01 PM, Larry Gusaas  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On 2018-03-27, 9:13 AM Damjan Jovanovic wrote concerning "Re: Building module 
> store error on macOS":
>> Apple products are disproportionately expensive
> 
> Bulllshit. No, they are not. Quit spreading FUD.
> 
> 
> 
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> Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan Canada
> Website: http://larry-gusaas.com
> 
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Re: Building module store error on macOS

2018-03-27 Thread Larry Gusaas



On 2018-03-27, 9:13 AM Damjan Jovanovic wrote concerning "Re: Building module store error on 
macOS":

Apple products are disproportionately expensive


Bulllshit. No, they are not. Quit spreading FUD.



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Re: [WEBSITE] Adding +Indexes option to .htaccess

2018-03-27 Thread Matthias Seidel

+1 from me

This would solve the problem on this page:
https://www.openoffice.org/marketing/art/galleries/logos/aoo-working/

Regards,

   Matthias


Am 27.03.2018 um 22:25 schrieb Kay Schenk:

I would like  to change our .htaccess file for www.openoffice.org
to allow for diretory contents listing when no "default" index.html file is
available.

This would be changing the first line of .htaccess from this:

Options +Includes +MultiViews

to this:

Options +Includes +MultiViews +Indexes

tested with my local setup and all good. This would allow for depositing
files in a given area without the need for an index.html file with links to
the files.

Yes? no? thoughts?






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[WEBSITE] Adding +Indexes option to .htaccess

2018-03-27 Thread Kay Schenk
I would like  to change our .htaccess file for www.openoffice.org
to allow for diretory contents listing when no "default" index.html file is
available.

This would be changing the first line of .htaccess from this:

Options +Includes +MultiViews

to this:

Options +Includes +MultiViews +Indexes

tested with my local setup and all good. This would allow for depositing
files in a given area without the need for an index.html file with links to
the files.

Yes? no? thoughts?

-- 
--
MzK

"Ring out the false, ring in the true."
 -- poem "In Memoriam", Alfred Lord Tennyson


Re: Back to OpenOffice

2018-03-27 Thread Matthias Seidel
I can now also confirm a successful build with revision 1827739 on 
Windows 10 1703.


As always, find my latest builds here:
https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/AOO-builds/AOO-420-Test/

Regards,

   Matthias


Am 26.03.2018 um 19:03 schrieb Damjan Jovanovic:

Confirming, the latest SVN trunk does build on Windows.

On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 5:58 PM, Matthias Seidel 

Re: Building module store error on macOS

2018-03-27 Thread Dave Fisher
Apologies on the name. Damjan gets autocorrected by Apple. It’s a problem.

Regards,
Dave

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 27, 2018, at 10:20 AM, Damjan Jovanovic  wrote:
> 
> Yes, a Mac buildbot would be very welcome. Please add one.
> 
> I am primarily developing on Windows now, as developing on the most
> problematic platform first makes it easy to port to others later.
> 
> The general instability over the last few weeks has also been due to the
> progress made, which has been overdue for some time. Gbuild now supports
> UDK versioned libraries and SONAMEs, which has allowed more modules to be
> ported to it. We're now at > 50% of the non-external modules ported to
> gbuild.
> 
> Also my name is Damjan, not Damian :).
> 
>> On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 5:43 PM, Dave Fisher  wrote:
>> 
>> Damian,
>> 
>> Jim is reasonably asking for some heads up so that he can know what to
>> expect before he does Mac and Linux builds.
>> 
>> Matthias would certainly like the same as well for Windows although
>> buildbots do help.
>> 
>> Speaking of Mac Buildbots Jim did offer to make one available in his
>> location and infrastructure knows how to hook that up. Is now the time?
>> 
>> I think we have several developers doing builds now which is great!
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Dave
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 27, 2018, at 8:13 AM, Damjan Jovanovic  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi
>>> 
>>> Between the gbuild migration, Win64 migration and MSVS 2015 migration,
>> all
>>> of which are project-wide, modules will break, a lot.
>>> 
>>> If I had access to a Mac, I would definitely be testing these changes.
>>> Since I don't, Infra keep refusing to get us a Mac buildbot, Apple is my
>>> least favourite platform, Apple products are disproportionately
>> expensive,
>>> and I do so much for AOO already (being its biggest contributor), I think
>>> asking me to test Mac builds is unreasonable. If you want to change
>> that, I
>>> could be bought a Mac or given remote access to one, Mac developers could
>>> pull their own weight, or Mac could be dropped as a supported platform.
>>> 
>>> Now as for the store build regression, please post the output of "build
>>> --from store".
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> Damjan
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 3:29 PM, Jim Jagielski  wrote:
 
 Looks like recent build changes have broken the macOS
 build again... This time we die when trying to build
 store.
 
 
 IMO, it would be nice if when updating, people were
 a little more circumspect on how/if this would affect
 other builds. I realize that it is hard to anticipate
 such things, but at least some sort of warning, or
 "head's up" or some summary of what was changed and
 why/how, instead of just a huge commit, might make
 things easier for people who then need to dig into
 the weeds and fix other platforms.
 
 
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Re: Building module store error on macOS

2018-03-27 Thread Damjan Jovanovic
 Yes, a Mac buildbot would be very welcome. Please add one.

I am primarily developing on Windows now, as developing on the most
problematic platform first makes it easy to port to others later.

The general instability over the last few weeks has also been due to the
progress made, which has been overdue for some time. Gbuild now supports
UDK versioned libraries and SONAMEs, which has allowed more modules to be
ported to it. We're now at > 50% of the non-external modules ported to
gbuild.

Also my name is Damjan, not Damian :).

On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 5:43 PM, Dave Fisher  wrote:

> Damian,
>
> Jim is reasonably asking for some heads up so that he can know what to
> expect before he does Mac and Linux builds.
>
> Matthias would certainly like the same as well for Windows although
> buildbots do help.
>
> Speaking of Mac Buildbots Jim did offer to make one available in his
> location and infrastructure knows how to hook that up. Is now the time?
>
> I think we have several developers doing builds now which is great!
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Mar 27, 2018, at 8:13 AM, Damjan Jovanovic  wrote:
> >
> > Hi
> >
> > Between the gbuild migration, Win64 migration and MSVS 2015 migration,
> all
> > of which are project-wide, modules will break, a lot.
> >
> > If I had access to a Mac, I would definitely be testing these changes.
> > Since I don't, Infra keep refusing to get us a Mac buildbot, Apple is my
> > least favourite platform, Apple products are disproportionately
> expensive,
> > and I do so much for AOO already (being its biggest contributor), I think
> > asking me to test Mac builds is unreasonable. If you want to change
> that, I
> > could be bought a Mac or given remote access to one, Mac developers could
> > pull their own weight, or Mac could be dropped as a supported platform.
> >
> > Now as for the store build regression, please post the output of "build
> > --from store".
> >
> > Regards
> > Damjan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 3:29 PM, Jim Jagielski  wrote:
> >>
> >> Looks like recent build changes have broken the macOS
> >> build again... This time we die when trying to build
> >> store.
> >>
> >> 
> >> IMO, it would be nice if when updating, people were
> >> a little more circumspect on how/if this would affect
> >> other builds. I realize that it is hard to anticipate
> >> such things, but at least some sort of warning, or
> >> "head's up" or some summary of what was changed and
> >> why/how, instead of just a huge commit, might make
> >> things easier for people who then need to dig into
> >> the weeds and fix other platforms.
> >> 
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Re: Building module store error on macOS

2018-03-27 Thread Dave Fisher
Damian,

Jim is reasonably asking for some heads up so that he can know what to expect 
before he does Mac and Linux builds.

Matthias would certainly like the same as well for Windows although buildbots 
do help.

Speaking of Mac Buildbots Jim did offer to make one available in his location 
and infrastructure knows how to hook that up. Is now the time?

I think we have several developers doing builds now which is great!

Regards,
Dave

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 27, 2018, at 8:13 AM, Damjan Jovanovic  wrote:
> 
> Hi
> 
> Between the gbuild migration, Win64 migration and MSVS 2015 migration, all
> of which are project-wide, modules will break, a lot.
> 
> If I had access to a Mac, I would definitely be testing these changes.
> Since I don't, Infra keep refusing to get us a Mac buildbot, Apple is my
> least favourite platform, Apple products are disproportionately expensive,
> and I do so much for AOO already (being its biggest contributor), I think
> asking me to test Mac builds is unreasonable. If you want to change that, I
> could be bought a Mac or given remote access to one, Mac developers could
> pull their own weight, or Mac could be dropped as a supported platform.
> 
> Now as for the store build regression, please post the output of "build
> --from store".
> 
> Regards
> Damjan
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 3:29 PM, Jim Jagielski  wrote:
>> 
>> Looks like recent build changes have broken the macOS
>> build again... This time we die when trying to build
>> store.
>> 
>> 
>> IMO, it would be nice if when updating, people were
>> a little more circumspect on how/if this would affect
>> other builds. I realize that it is hard to anticipate
>> such things, but at least some sort of warning, or
>> "head's up" or some summary of what was changed and
>> why/how, instead of just a huge commit, might make
>> things easier for people who then need to dig into
>> the weeds and fix other platforms.
>> 
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Re: Building module store error on macOS

2018-03-27 Thread Damjan Jovanovic
Hi

Between the gbuild migration, Win64 migration and MSVS 2015 migration, all
of which are project-wide, modules will break, a lot.

If I had access to a Mac, I would definitely be testing these changes.
Since I don't, Infra keep refusing to get us a Mac buildbot, Apple is my
least favourite platform, Apple products are disproportionately expensive,
and I do so much for AOO already (being its biggest contributor), I think
asking me to test Mac builds is unreasonable. If you want to change that, I
could be bought a Mac or given remote access to one, Mac developers could
pull their own weight, or Mac could be dropped as a supported platform.

Now as for the store build regression, please post the output of "build
--from store".

Regards
Damjan




On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 3:29 PM, Jim Jagielski  wrote:

> Looks like recent build changes have broken the macOS
> build again... This time we die when trying to build
> store.
>
> 
> IMO, it would be nice if when updating, people were
> a little more circumspect on how/if this would affect
> other builds. I realize that it is hard to anticipate
> such things, but at least some sort of warning, or
> "head's up" or some summary of what was changed and
> why/how, instead of just a huge commit, might make
> things easier for people who then need to dig into
> the weeds and fix other platforms.
> 
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Building module store error on macOS

2018-03-27 Thread Jim Jagielski
Looks like recent build changes have broken the macOS
build again... This time we die when trying to build
store.


IMO, it would be nice if when updating, people were
a little more circumspect on how/if this would affect
other builds. I realize that it is hard to anticipate
such things, but at least some sort of warning, or
"head's up" or some summary of what was changed and
why/how, instead of just a huge commit, might make
things easier for people who then need to dig into
the weeds and fix other platforms.


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